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Post by mikesmith on Mar 31, 2020 0:54:23 GMT -5
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Post by wilbur on Mar 31, 2020 2:26:18 GMT -5
I see a lot of fund raising in most school futures.
I think some coaches are going to have to have some hard talks with some seniors (maybe even Junior) that might be getting more scholarship $ than a team can afford. Thinking senior that might not have starting spot anymore due to getting beat out by younger players.
And also curious how the scholarship extension will work, does each school get 4.5/4.0 + 4.5 = 5.625 for next year or for next 4 years? There are 4 years worth of player affected by this. How about a school that was graduating a heavy scholarship senior class that might have had 2-3 total scholarships headed out the door before this extension and a fat class of talent signed up promised those 2-3 total scholarships... do they get 4.5 + 3 = 7.5 per team for next year? Is that fair to other schools that were in a younger cycle where not too many scholarships were being recycled?
A welcome bit of good new... but I did almost fall out of my chair when I read the following about men's lacrosse: "We 'only' have 12.6 scholarships that we divide up amongst our players,...". I then googled to see that women's lacrosse has only 12. WTF?!
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Post by robonthemic on Mar 31, 2020 3:41:05 GMT -5
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Post by berry808 on Mar 31, 2020 5:08:18 GMT -5
Any predictions as to which seniors will return, if their schools allow it? Also, which senior would you like to see return, regardless of what his school decides?
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Post by hamberders on Mar 31, 2020 6:44:33 GMT -5
The article mentions that players could come back at or below their previous scholarship amount. That is a big stipulation as many of these kids are still paying a Lot in tuition to be playing at these schools. And they need to be taking graduate classes I would think. It also gives an advantage to teams with big classes if they convince them to return.
It does not mention transfers. If guys could transfer for that final year it would be a big and ugly deal. Unprecedented times!
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Post by bealzabubba on Mar 31, 2020 11:58:07 GMT -5
It looks like they can transfer, but all the details haven't been worked out. Figuring most of the discussion/commentary on this is likely to come on the Baseball side, I found this write up: d1baseball.com/columns/ncaa-division-i-council-gives-seniors-relief/ JuCo Transfers: Have to apply to NJCAA for the waiver, but looks like it'd be granted as a matter of course. Undergrad Transfers: New school applies for the waiver, but he will count against the 4.5, with no extra cushions (that's how I read it) Graduate transfers: This gets weird. If he stays, it's the same money (max) he got this year, and the school gets financial relief above the 4.5 (what, exactly, I don't really know). If he moves as a graduate, he can get more, but it counts against the 4.5. Could get interesting. |
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Post by bbg95 on Mar 31, 2020 14:07:54 GMT -5
Any predictions as to which seniors will return, if their schools allow it? Also, which senior would you like to see return, regardless of what his school decides? I'm not sure about other schools, but Darnell Dickson at the Provo Herald wrote a roundup for BYU's spring sports. His take on men's volleyball:
"The Cougars had five seniors, including starters Wil Stanley (setter), Zach Eschenberg (outside hitter) and, Miki Jauhiainen (middle blocker). Stanley has already voiced his willingness to return for another year. Eschenberg, if he returns, would be in the same graduating class as his wife, Kennedy, who plays for the BYU women’s volleyball team. Jauhiainen is majoring in computer science and is one of the top student-athletes in the program. He could return for an advanced degree or might have opportunities to play professionally in his native Finland or elsewhere.
Three other underclassmen – juniors Gabi Garcia Fernandez (Puerto Rico) and Filipe de Brito Ferreira (Brazil) along with sophomore Davide Gardini (Italy) – will also likely be offered opportunities to play overseas professionally."
It will be interesting to see what happens. I think it's conceivable that all the key players return, given how good this year's team was.
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Post by akbar on Mar 31, 2020 14:39:59 GMT -5
come on...BYU is so friggin cheap to attend.
They are the only ones who will and can benefit as a school. (Sans some trustfund kid)
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Post by 808empath on Mar 31, 2020 15:36:45 GMT -5
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Post by wilbur on Mar 31, 2020 15:48:32 GMT -5
What is the current trend these days in UC and Cal State schools as far as how many years students take to graduate? It used to be pretty common fo rit to take over 4 years and especially student athletes that are training 30-40 hours per week in addition to academics.
If that is still the case I would think there would be multiple seniors that didn't redshirt that might be in school at least a quarter or more just to graduate. If they take spring quarter off to save money, re enroll in the fall to get their eligibility going it might be a minimal financial impact.
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Post by bealzabubba on Apr 3, 2020 7:58:19 GMT -5
What is the current trend these days in UC and Cal State schools as far as how many years students take to graduate? It used to be pretty common fo rit to take over 4 years and especially student athletes that are training 30-40 hours per week in addition to academics. If that is still the case I would think there would be multiple seniors that didn't redshirt that might be in school at least a quarter or more just to graduate. If they take spring quarter off to save money, re enroll in the fall to get their eligibility going it might be a minimal financial impact. In my day it was extremely common that it took 5 years at a UC, but that's improved. UC: Average time to graduate, incoming freshman: 4.17 years. Transfers average 2.39 years. Source, which can be filtered by various criteria, including campus. E.G. UCSB is a bit shorter, at 4.09. CS: Average time to graduate, incoming freshman: 4.7 years. Source PDF, which states that 4.7 is "in line" with the national averages. Transfers aren't broken out, and my gut is that's due to the fact CS isn't as "transfer friendly" as UC. Note that none of those figures break out athletes. One incoming UC frosh I know was advised by his school/coach to plan for 5 years, whether or not he red-shirted. |
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Post by ACE on Apr 6, 2020 19:58:20 GMT -5
To be clear... This extra year of eligibility is ONLY for Spring seniors? Meaning Gabi Fernandez would still come back (if he chooses) as a senior next year? Or would he be a junior due To extra year of eligibility?
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Post by ned3head on Apr 6, 2020 20:28:06 GMT -5
To be clear... This extra year of eligibility is ONLY for Spring seniors? Meaning Gabi Fernandez would still come back (if he chooses) as a senior next year? Or would he be a junior due To extra year of eligibility? Every spring student-athlete received an extra year of eligibility. He would come back with two years of eligibility remaining. |
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Post by ACE on Apr 6, 2020 20:54:05 GMT -5
To be clear... This extra year of eligibility is ONLY for Spring seniors? Meaning Gabi Fernandez would still come back (if he chooses) as a senior next year? Or would he be a junior due To extra year of eligibility? Every spring student-athlete received an extra year of eligibility. He would come back with two years of eligibility remaining. Okay. Thanks |
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Post by xxxnoscope72xxx on Apr 7, 2020 11:04:01 GMT -5
Looking at the article, it appears that the incoming freshman class and returning freshman-junior classes are allowed the normal 4.5 scholarships, but the returning senior class is allowed to go over this limit. Granting the underclassmen an extra year of eligibility is going to give cheaper schools the advantage over private schools because there's less incentive to take a 5th or 6th year when you have to pay upwards of 60k a year. A team like lb is going to have a good amount of 5th and 6th year players.
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