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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 2:48:52 GMT -5
Just suit up two liberos during the QFs or Semis of the Olympics honestly. I won't mind seeing Larson + another libero alternate during those crucial matches. Larson cannot play libero if she is, and probably will be, the team captain. That's the rule. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 2:56:52 GMT -5
Any and all liberos attempting to make the Olympic roster need to go pro and hope to land in either Germany, France or Poland. Most other leagues in Europe they would certainly see court time but the leagues are far more inferior than the three I listed. Those three leagues are the best any of them can hope to play in. Italy, Turkey, Brazil, Japan and China don't typically take foreign liberos. The one exception I saw last season in Italy Serie A1 was Lavarini (Busto Arsizio) used a Chinese libero (Simin Wang) on occasion but very rarely and only because he had several good domestic players with one foreigner to spare. He only used Lowe, Washington and Herbots regularly. I know the pay isn't ideal but if any of them want a fighting chance to take the spot they have to start overseas. Will Hentz and White join JWO and Benson? Anybody have any info/rumors on any of them?
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Post by Disc808 on Apr 17, 2020 3:15:02 GMT -5
I will not deny the fact that having Robinson on the Olympic roster as a Libero would open the door for Kathryn Plummer to make the roster. That in itself is cause for some excitement. Plummer made an impact during her brief stint at Monza. I would say Thompson made less of a splash but she has already proven herself more with the NT. My only concern with Robinson at Libero is due to her size, tip coverage will continue to be and issue. That will only be resolved with an actual Libero on the roster. As of right now, I can’t see Plummer making the roster (as big of a fan as I am). She probably won’t pass well enough to play OH and for Opp she has Drews, Lowe, and Thompson ahead of her. It’s definitely an exciting possibility but does she fit the current system? |
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 17, 2020 5:18:23 GMT -5
I've seen the same discussed here for years, but remember, the purpose of NCAA sports is not supposed to be training athletes for pro sports. Yes, sorry, I forgot. Student athletes! Silly me. There's something disheartening about hearing of coach who, last season, discouraged his star OH from taking extra passing reps after practice with a non-NCAA volleyball (ahead of a potential pro career) because "she needed to concentrate on her collegiate career". There aren't many other educational organisations in the world which actively inhibit the students in their care from learning about their chosen profession. I've got nothing against people deciding that some sport is their chosen profession. It's just that college isn't really the right place to learn it. Nothing is stopping USA kids from signing up with a pro team somewhere rather than going to college (except, I guess, quotas for foreign players). And that coach you mentioned is nowhere near the first coach to be more interested in optimizing their own team than in training up players for somebody else's team. I mean, every minor league baseball coach knows his real job is to train his players for the next level, but typically he's also working for the MLB club himself. There's no conflict of interest there. But a college coach gets paid according to how much the college team wins, so what do you expect? In the long run it can work out if, for instance, you get a reputation for training up future pro athletes. That's got to make it easier to recruit. But at most schools, developing great pro athletes isn't going to earn you a penny from your AD, while winning at the college level will. |
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Post by floridaLOG on Apr 17, 2020 7:09:12 GMT -5
Is benson out of the conversation? She seems to have had some success in Germany ?
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Post by pittsburgh7717 on Apr 17, 2020 7:51:05 GMT -5
Yes, sorry, I forgot. Student athletes! Silly me. There's something disheartening about hearing of coach who, last season, discouraged his star OH from taking extra passing reps after practice with a non-NCAA volleyball (ahead of a potential pro career) because "she needed to concentrate on her collegiate career". There aren't many other educational organisations in the world which actively inhibit the students in their care from learning about their chosen profession. I've got nothing against people deciding that some sport is their chosen profession. It's just that college isn't really the right place to learn it. Nothing is stopping USA kids from signing up with a pro team somewhere rather than going to college (except, I guess, quotas for foreign players). And that coach you mentioned is nowhere near the first coach to be more interested in optimizing their own team than in training up players for somebody else's team. I mean, every minor league baseball coach knows his real job is to train his players for the next level, but typically he's also working for the MLB club himself. There's no conflict of interest there. But a college coach gets paid according to how much the college team wins, so what do you expect? In the long run it can work out if, for instance, you get a reputation for training up future pro athletes. That's got to make it easier to recruit. But at most schools, developing great pro athletes isn't going to earn you a penny from your AD, while winning at the college level will. Someone name drop the coach. I think I have an idea, but I want to be sure lol |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 9:58:24 GMT -5
Yes, sorry, I forgot. Student athletes! Silly me. There's something disheartening about hearing of coach who, last season, discouraged his star OH from taking extra passing reps after practice with a non-NCAA volleyball (ahead of a potential pro career) because "she needed to concentrate on her collegiate career". There aren't many other educational organisations in the world which actively inhibit the students in their care from learning about their chosen profession. I've got nothing against people deciding that some sport is their chosen profession. It's just that college isn't really the right place to learn it. Nothing is stopping USA kids from signing up with a pro team somewhere rather than going to college. I guess this is where we differ then. In other vocations or professions, college is about giving you the skills and tools to succeed in later life. With collegiate athletics, it is about the athlete helping the school succeed. You suggest that the coach is simply focused on his team vs someone else's... What about remembering that he works at an institution of higher education and developing the athlete to the best of his ability? With the NCAA is determined to hide behind the 'student athlete' label a bit longer, it makes a mockery out of those claims when the ideology among so many coaches is that of pro sports; "win at all costs". It also hamstrings the USWNT because those athletes who will eventually comprise the team, have to leave the relative twilight zone of collegiate athletics and compete with athletes from all over the world who were raised to understand the professional side of the sport. And the guidance doesn't even have to come from the schools (although they're freaking schools, so they should be educating about the working environment, rather than treating it like a dirty little secret). USAV have lots of contact with the top players in each class via the junior and collegiate national teams and could easily provide helpful info on pro volleyball. But they don't. Instead we operate a sink or swim philosophy which is clearly sub-optimal when looking at the development of our best players. |
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Post by nothingbutcorn on Apr 17, 2020 10:25:10 GMT -5
It would help if the NCAA used the FIVB ball and only allowed 6 subs per set. But they are about the money (Molten pays them to use their ball?) and allowing more student/athletes which is why they allow 15 subs per set.
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Post by rogero1 on Apr 17, 2020 11:46:32 GMT -5
It would help if the NCAA used the FIVB ball and only allowed 6 subs per set. But they are about the money (Molten pays them to use their ball?) and allowing more student/athletes which is why they allow 15 subs per set. NCAA men follow FIVB guidelines because their post-collegiate playing careers are at the international level. NCAA women’s rules are determined by the coaches. As one highly respected and successful coach said, “Our focus is on winning the NCAA Championship, not getting players ready for the National Team.” While Molten is the ball used for the NCAA playoffs, schools use whatever balls their suppliers dictate in their contracts. Also, most NCAA women’s coaches do not like the FIVB ball. |
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Post by n00b on Apr 17, 2020 12:01:41 GMT -5
It would help if the NCAA used the FIVB ball and only allowed 6 subs per set. But they are about the money (Molten pays them to use their ball?) and allowing more student/athletes which is why they allow 15 subs per set. I still don't think this matters at all. Olympic-caliber athletes are still playing 6 rotations. There might be some instances where opposites aren't playing back row because they're running a 6-2. But who are these players that would've been more prepared for the next level if their college team only had 6 subs? Thompson and Plummer - two athletes who we say aren't good enough to pass at the international level - both played 6 rotations for their entire careers. Do we really think there are Olympic-caliber setters who are stuck only playing in a 6-2? I think if we went to six subs, we'd simply see more 5'10" OHs in the Big Ten and Pac-12. That doesn't make anything better. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 12:02:58 GMT -5
Wasn't it Mick Haley who lobbied heavily for 15 subs so he could better run a 6-2? I do think 15 subs is way, way too many. I like shorter people having the opportunity to play this great sport as well. I think rolling it back to 10-12 would be a good first step. But, that's a separate discussion.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 17, 2020 12:25:09 GMT -5
I've seen the same discussed here for years, but remember, the purpose of NCAA sports is not supposed to be training athletes for pro sports. Yes, sorry, I forgot. Student athletes! Silly me. There's something disheartening about hearing of coach who, last season, discouraged his star OH from taking extra passing reps after practice with a non-NCAA volleyball (ahead of a potential pro career) because "she needed to concentrate on her collegiate career". There aren't many other educational organisations in the world which actively inhibit the students in their care from learning about their chosen profession. Well, it's a bit of a mixed bag. Without the NCAA, nearly all US volleyball players wouldn't be playing volleyball after high school at all. The college system, along with Title IX, is the main reason why the US has been the dominant women's soccer program in the world. Now, I don't think it's the best possible system, and I think the European countries will soon surpass the US now that the traditional men's powers are finally taking their women's programs seriously, but still. On balance, given the absence of a viable domestic pro league, I think the US would be much worse at volleyball if the NCAA didn't provide opportunities for so many players. Something like the baseball system would probably be best, but again, you need a real pro league to support it. |
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Post by n00b on Apr 17, 2020 12:33:11 GMT -5
I've seen the same discussed here for years, but remember, the purpose of NCAA sports is not supposed to be training athletes for pro sports. Yes, sorry, I forgot. Student athletes! Silly me. There's something disheartening about hearing of coach who, last season, discouraged his star OH from taking extra passing reps after practice with a non-NCAA volleyball (ahead of a potential pro career) because "she needed to concentrate on her collegiate career". There aren't many other educational organisations in the world which actively inhibit the students in their care from learning about their chosen profession. If Team USA was in Russia for VNL and Carlini's pro coach asked her to swing over to their training facility for a session, you think Karch would be ok with that? I think getting training from an outside coach, potentially with different technical and tactical philosophies, can really screw with a player's game. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 17, 2020 12:50:15 GMT -5
Yes, sorry, I forgot. Student athletes! Silly me. There's something disheartening about hearing of coach who, last season, discouraged his star OH from taking extra passing reps after practice with a non-NCAA volleyball (ahead of a potential pro career) because "she needed to concentrate on her collegiate career". There aren't many other educational organisations in the world which actively inhibit the students in their care from learning about their chosen profession. I've got nothing against people deciding that some sport is their chosen profession. It's just that college isn't really the right place to learn it. Nothing is stopping USA kids from signing up with a pro team somewhere rather than going to college (except, I guess, quotas for foreign players). And that coach you mentioned is nowhere near the first coach to be more interested in optimizing their own team than in training up players for somebody else's team. I mean, every minor league baseball coach knows his real job is to train his players for the next level, but typically he's also working for the MLB club himself. There's no conflict of interest there. But a college coach gets paid according to how much the college team wins, so what do you expect? In the long run it can work out if, for instance, you get a reputation for training up future pro athletes. That's got to make it easier to recruit. But at most schools, developing great pro athletes isn't going to earn you a penny from your AD, while winning at the college level will. Yeah, I agree with the majority of this. John Calipari is a good example of a coach who uses his history of coaching future NBA players to his advantage. But as you indicate, he's using it as a recruiting tool. He could have the top five picks in the NBA draft every year, but he's still going to get fired if they flame out in the second round of the NCAA Tournament each season ( especially in that case, since they have so much talent). His job isn't really to train future pros. His job is to win SEC titles, be ranked high in the polls, regularly go to the Final Four, and win national championships. But having future pros on his team makes it more likely to accomplish the goals that his employers actually judge success on. They wouldn't care if he had zero NBA players, as long as they still won. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 13:05:07 GMT -5
Yes, sorry, I forgot. Student athletes! Silly me. There's something disheartening about hearing of coach who, last season, discouraged his star OH from taking extra passing reps after practice with a non-NCAA volleyball (ahead of a potential pro career) because "she needed to concentrate on her collegiate career". There aren't many other educational organisations in the world which actively inhibit the students in their care from learning about their chosen profession. If Team USA was in Russia for VNL and Carlini's pro coach asked her to swing over to their training facility for a session, you think Karch would be ok with that? I think getting training from an outside coach, potentially with different technical and tactical philosophies, can really screw with a player's game. An outside coach? Said player asked her HC if she could bring a few non-NCAA Mikasa/Molten balls and do some passing reps after practice with one of the ACs. She wasn't flying in a pro coach from Russia! |
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