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Post by libro on Apr 14, 2020 20:37:59 GMT -5
With the Olympic Games being postponed to 2021, but still no teams really being able to train and I doubt soon, does anyone think a REAL libero can be trained for USA in SR with the new ball within that extra time span before the Olympic Games? I emphasize real as in, not a converted outside. I know JWO is doing alright recently, but I wanna see a Mo Hentz or a Mary Lake even. Someone more defensively inclined. Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 21:12:35 GMT -5
With the Olympic Games being postponed to 2021, but still no teams really being able to train and I doubt soon, does anyone think a REAL libero can be trained for USA in SR with the new ball within that extra time span before the Olympic Games? I emphasize real as in, not a converted outside. I know JWO is doing alright recently, but I wanna see a Mo Hentz or a Mary Lake even. Someone more defensively inclined. Thoughts? We know Karch isn't happy with his current options but playing Bro overseas is so tough for U.S. players making it really hard for them to develop. Courtney would most likely have been the Bro if 2020 had happened. With the postponement I'd give an edge to JWO, especially if she can get another pro contract. Last I heard Karch preferred Lake's SR to Hentz's D (which will be tough to transition to Olympic level against world class hitters) but I think it's going to be tough for either to overhaul Courtney and JWO with limited opportunities.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 21:18:04 GMT -5
I will remain on the train that Krob is our best option for libero. Im not sure if the further delay is enough time for JWO to get to the level needed. Courtney isn't and won't be the answer. Lake maybe, but she won't be to the level of passing Krob is. Hentz is a whole other topic that's been discussed all too much on this board
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 14, 2020 21:27:42 GMT -5
There's much to be said for putting your best 6/7 players on the court. That includes KRob at Libero.
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Post by jengal on Apr 14, 2020 22:09:37 GMT -5
I am still voting for KRob or Jordan Larson for Libero. JWO needs to show improvement first IMO. With the delays/stoppages to the pro seasons, I feel this will minimize the number of “new” players on the team. They just won’t have the experience.
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Post by libro on Apr 14, 2020 22:20:17 GMT -5
With Kelsey doing so well at OH overseas and recently for USA I just love that Larson/Robinson OH tandem that can pass exceptionally. Then have a better defensive libero that can hopefully grow in SR as this extra time hopefully allots
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 22:23:14 GMT -5
Anything is possible especially if the 2020 VNL happens at some point before October. Hell the same is possible even if the team gets together post quarantine to train. Don't forget Kenzie Maloney was in the gym training at Libero also.
Someone out of JWO, Maloney, Hentz, White or Lake is bound to emerge during that time. Karch is the idiot who thinks that the reason the USA can't hang with the big teams is because the team needs a better passing libero over a defensive one. Yes, the candidate needs to be able to do both but if the team hopes to medal AT ALL, they HAVE to solve back court defensive weaknesses. You have to be able to dig these big hitters, pick up tips and create more transition opportunities.
Robinson is simply too valuable an OH to have at Libero. That ship has sailed. She firmly has ahold of a starting spot at that position and I don't see her relinquishing it anytime soon.
Going deeper down this rabbit hole...the USA will continue to struggle to have depth at the Setting and Libero positions until a domestic league becomes reality.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Apr 14, 2020 22:28:34 GMT -5
With Kelsey doing so well at OH overseas and recently for USA I just love that Larson/Robinson OH tandem that can pass exceptionally. Then have a better defensive libero that can hopefully grow in SR as this extra time hopefully allots No way USA could win with Larson and Krob on the left. I do think if either are option 4 on the left they would be our beat option at libero.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Apr 14, 2020 22:29:16 GMT -5
Anything is possible especially if the 2020 VNL happens at some point before October. Hell the same is possible even if the team gets together post quarantine to train. Don't forget Kenzie Maloney was in the gym training at Libero also. Someone out of JWO, Maloney, Hentz, White or Lake is bound to emerge during that time. Karch is the idiot who thinks that the reason the USA can't hang with the big teams is because the team needs a better passing libero over a defensive one. Yes, the candidate needs to be able to do both but if the team hopes to medal AT ALL, they HAVE to solve back court defensive weaknesses. You have to be able to dig these big hitters, pick up tips and create more transition opportunities. Robinson is simply too valuable an OH to have at Libero. That ship has sailed. She firmly has ahold of a starting spot at that position and I don't see her relinquishing it anytime soon. Going deeper down this rabbit hole...the USA will continue to struggle to have depth at the Setting and Libero positions until a domestic league becomes reality. The domestic league will never be a reality
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 22:30:23 GMT -5
Anything is possible especially if the 2020 VNL happens at some point before October. Hell the same is possible even if the team gets together post quarantine to train. Don't forget Kenzie Maloney was in the gym training at Libero also. Someone out of JWO, Maloney, Hentz, White or Lake is bound to emerge during that time. Karch is the idiot who thinks that the reason the USA can't hang with the big teams is because the team needs a better passing libero over a defensive one. Yes, the candidate needs to be able to do both but if the team hopes to medal AT ALL, they HAVE to solve back court defensive weaknesses. You have to be able to dig these big hitters, pick up tips and create more transition opportunities. Robinson is simply too valuable an OH to have at Libero. That ship has sailed. She firmly has ahold of a starting spot at that position and I don't see her relinquishing it anytime soon. Going deeper down this rabbit hole...the USA will continue to struggle to have depth at the Setting and Libero positions until a domestic league becomes reality. The domestic league will never be a reality This is definitely not true. The virus has changed timings a bit but watch this space.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 14, 2020 22:31:23 GMT -5
The domestic league will never be a reality Never seems dramatic. We don’t know what the sports landscape will look like in 2075.
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Post by n00b on Apr 14, 2020 22:34:20 GMT -5
With the Olympic Games being postponed to 2021, but still no teams really being able to train and I doubt soon, does anyone think a REAL libero can be trained for USA in SR with the new ball within that extra time span before the Olympic Games? I emphasize real as in, not a converted outside. I know JWO is doing alright recently, but I wanna see a Mo Hentz or a Mary Lake even. Someone more defensively inclined. Thoughts? We know Karch isn't happy with his current options but playing Bro overseas is so tough for U.S. players making it really hard for them to develop. Courtney would most likely have been the Bro if 2020 had happened. With the postponement I'd give an edge to JWO, especially if she can get another pro contract. Last I heard Karch preferred Lake's SR to Hentz's D (which will be tough to transition to Olympic level against world class hitters) but I think it's going to be tough for either to overhaul Courtney and JWO with limited opportunities. Did JWO eventually win out the starting spot on her German team? I'm not sold on her at all. My opinion is that it should still be Robinson. I think she struggles as an attacker against the best of the best (who we'll be facing in the medal rounds in Tokyo). And honestly, that's where Courtney is at with the libero position as well.
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Post by libro on Apr 14, 2020 22:45:40 GMT -5
Anything is possible especially if the 2020 VNL happens at some point before October. Hell the same is possible even if the team gets together post quarantine to train. Don't forget Kenzie Maloney was in the gym training at Libero also. Someone out of JWO, Maloney, Hentz, White or Lake is bound to emerge during that time. Karch is the idiot who thinks that the reason the USA can't hang with the big teams is because the team needs a better passing libero over a defensive one. Yes, the candidate needs to be able to do both but if the team hopes to medal AT ALL, they HAVE to solve back court defensive weaknesses. You have to be able to dig these big hitters, pick up tips and create more transition opportunities. Robinson is simply too valuable an OH to have at Libero. That ship has sailed. She firmly has ahold of a starting spot at that position and I don't see her relinquishing it anytime soon. Going deeper down this rabbit hole...the USA will continue to struggle to have depth at the Setting and Libero positions until a domestic league becomes reality. The importance of having a libero to do ‘both’ as in steadily pass and dig her coverage of responsibility INCLUDING TIPS can never be overstated. I think people aren’t aware that TRAINED LIBEROS all their lives just have a certain eye on defense in the 5. They see a low set STRAIGHT AWAY and know that ball can be tipped. Courtney and Robinson, albeit good passers, just don’t see it defensively the way some people do, LIKE HENTZ. Can someone talk to her plz
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Post by vbsam16 on Apr 14, 2020 22:55:13 GMT -5
With a whole extra year, who knows what will happen? Clearly Karch brought Maloney in for a reason, and all the other potential Ls will have another year of experience. I’m not saying anything is off limits.
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Post by donut on Apr 14, 2020 22:58:15 GMT -5
With Kelsey doing so well at OH overseas and recently for USA I just love that Larson/Robinson OH tandem that can pass exceptionally. Then have a better defensive libero that can hopefully grow in SR as this extra time hopefully allots I wouldn't say Kelsey is doing "so well" overseas. She hit .250 for the year at Fenerbahce in Turkish league play, with 2.5 kills per set. Not awful, but nothing really to write home about. However, if you just look at her matches against the top teams in the Turkish league (Ecz, Vakif, and Galta) in both Turkish league and CEV play, she hit .167 with 2.26 kills per set. She had a good summer against weaker competition in 2019, and posters seem to think that her history of offensive struggles (and I'm saying this as a KRob fan) have just gone away. I'm more skeptical. I agree with others that I think she'll have a bigger impact at the libero position.
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