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Post by n00b on Apr 15, 2020 12:30:19 GMT -5
You know you described hentz She's not yet strong enough in SR (Lake is currently better) and we know that Karch requires great ball control first and foremost. Hentz's greatest strength is her floor coverage (32% of all defensive touches for Stanford this year) but that's just not as important at the Olympic level when there are other fantastic athletes. I'm not saying she can't be a great Libero, but she has to refine her game. I absolutely agree that you can't give your libero nearly as much court at the highest level as you can in the college game (although I think it's a certainty that our tip coverage would immediately improve). However, Karch wouldn't flex from his system even if that was true. He would NOT have utilized Hentz to her potential at Stanford. On broadcasts, he was constantly critiquing her for being out of position and it blew my mind. Hambly gave her half the court and said 'go get the ball'. That means big reads and it means being wrong sometimes, but Karch continued his insistence that she was 'out of position' even though he didn't know what position Hambly told her to be in. It all comes back to the believe that there is one superior system regardless of personnel and if you don't do it that way it must be wrong. Sorry, it had been a while since I'd gone on a Karch rant.
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Post by Reach on Apr 15, 2020 12:34:56 GMT -5
She's not yet strong enough in SR (Lake is currently better) and we know that Karch requires great ball control first and foremost. Hentz's greatest strength is her floor coverage (32% of all defensive touches for Stanford this year) but that's just not as important at the Olympic level when there are other fantastic athletes. I'm not saying she can't be a great Libero, but she has to refine her game. I absolutely agree that you can't give your libero nearly as much court at the highest level as you can in the college game (although I think it's a certainty that our tip coverage would immediately improve). However, Karch wouldn't flex from his system even if that was true. He would NOT have utilized Hentz to her potential at Stanford. On broadcasts, he was constantly critiquing her for being out of position and it blew my mind. Hambly gave her half the court and said 'go get the ball'. That means big reads and it means being wrong sometimes, but Karch continued his insistence that she was 'out of position' even though he didn't know what position Hambly told her to be in. It all comes back to the believe that there is one superior system regardless of personnel and if you don't do it that way it must be wrong. Sorry, it had been a while since I'd gone on a Karch rant. It's Karch's way or move on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 12:40:12 GMT -5
She's not yet strong enough in SR (Lake is currently better) and we know that Karch requires great ball control first and foremost. Hentz's greatest strength is her floor coverage (32% of all defensive touches for Stanford this year) but that's just not as important at the Olympic level when there are other fantastic athletes. I'm not saying she can't be a great Libero, but she has to refine her game. I absolutely agree that you can't give your libero nearly as much court at the highest level as you can in the college game (although I think it's a certainty that our tip coverage would immediately improve). However, Karch wouldn't flex from his system even if that was true. He would NOT have utilized Hentz to her potential at Stanford. On broadcasts, he was constantly critiquing her for being out of position and it blew my mind. Hambly gave her half the court and said 'go get the ball'. That means big reads and it means being wrong sometimes, but Karch continued his insistence that she was 'out of position' even though he didn't know what position Hambly told her to be in. It all comes back to the believe that there is one superior system regardless of personnel and if you don't do it that way it must be wrong. Sorry, it had been a while since I'd gone on a Karch rant. Agree entirely and feel free to rant away. I've actually been working with our smalls this week on 'homework' for them to analyze various Liberos and the way Hentz plays defense 'outside to in' is very interesting. She takes a lot of steps but stays on her toes, rather than getting dug in, which helps her reach balls others can't. It couldn't be more different from a KGB type player though and so if that's what Karch wants, I don't think he's ever going to give Hentz a decent shot.
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Post by n00b on Apr 15, 2020 12:44:34 GMT -5
I absolutely agree that you can't give your libero nearly as much court at the highest level as you can in the college game (although I think it's a certainty that our tip coverage would immediately improve). However, Karch wouldn't flex from his system even if that was true. He would NOT have utilized Hentz to her potential at Stanford. On broadcasts, he was constantly critiquing her for being out of position and it blew my mind. Hambly gave her half the court and said 'go get the ball'. That means big reads and it means being wrong sometimes, but Karch continued his insistence that she was 'out of position' even though he didn't know what position Hambly told her to be in. It all comes back to the believe that there is one superior system regardless of personnel and if you don't do it that way it must be wrong. Sorry, it had been a while since I'd gone on a Karch rant. Agree entirely and feel free to rant away. I've actually been working with our smalls this week on 'homework' for them to analyse various Liberos and the way Hentz plays defense 'outside to in' is very interesting. She takes a lot of steps but stays on her toes, rather than getting dug in, which helps her reach balls others can't. It couldn't be more different from a KGB type player though and so if that's what Karch wants, I don't think he's ever going to give Hentz a decent shot. 1) I think she gets that shot if she passes better than the other liberos. 2) It might only be Karch's call for another 14 months. I think the next 'quad' only being three years would help his chances of being retained. However, I think it would also make a lot of sense to me for USAV to say our number 1 priority is Gold in Los Angeles in 2028. I have no clue what USAV leadership thinks of Karch's competence but if they want a 7-year commitment after Tokyo, Karch might not be the man for the job.
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Post by kurtndiego on Apr 15, 2020 12:52:55 GMT -5
I heard Maloney's comeback is already over. She left CA. :-(
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Post by n00b on Apr 15, 2020 12:55:08 GMT -5
Anybody have insider info about how USAV is planning on dealing with the financial fallout of USAV Opens, BJNC, GJNC, and GJNC 18s all being cancelled? I assume that those revenues play a massive role in funding the national team.
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Post by nothingbutcorn on Apr 15, 2020 12:55:17 GMT -5
I for one would not be surprised to see Karch still leading USA volleyball in 2028.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 13:04:07 GMT -5
I heard Maloney's comeback is already over. She left CA. :-( Everyone has left Anaheim. They let the players take as much exercise equipment as they could carry and everyone headed home.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 15, 2020 13:05:44 GMT -5
Hambly gave her half the court and said 'go get the ball'. That means big reads and it means being wrong sometimes, but Karch continued his insistence that she was 'out of position' even though he didn't know what position Hambly told her to be in. Those are two contradictory statements. Saying 1. Hambly instructed Hentz to cover half the court and read the play, followed by 2. Hambly instructed Hentz to be in a certain position. So which is it. Hambly have her free rein or Hambly gave her positioning?
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 15, 2020 13:10:33 GMT -5
I for one would not be surprised to see Karch still leading USA volleyball in 2028. Yeah, I don't know why people are quick to assume that Karch is going anywhere. He's not particularly old at 59. A lot of it may depend on how Tokyo goes. But this isn't basketball, where anything but gold is a disaster. I think Karch deciding to move on is more likely than him being pushed out.
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Post by n00b on Apr 15, 2020 13:15:53 GMT -5
Hambly gave her half the court and said 'go get the ball'. That means big reads and it means being wrong sometimes, but Karch continued his insistence that she was 'out of position' even though he didn't know what position Hambly told her to be in. Those are two contradictory statements. Saying 1. Hambly instructed Hentz to cover half the court and read the play, followed by 2. Hambly instructed Hentz to be in a certain position. So which is it. Hambly have her free rein or Hambly gave her positioning? Did you really not understand what I was trying to say? Edited for clarity: Hambly gave her half the court and said 'go get the ball'. That means big reads and it means being wrong sometimes, but Karch continued his insistence that she was 'out of position' even though he didn't know what Hambly was asking her to do.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 15, 2020 13:19:02 GMT -5
Those are two contradictory statements. Saying 1. Hambly instructed Hentz to cover half the court and read the play, followed by 2. Hambly instructed Hentz to be in a certain position. So which is it. Hambly have her free rein or Hambly gave her positioning? Did you really not understand what I was trying to say? Edited for clarity: Hambly gave her half the court and said 'go get the ball'. That means big reads and it means being wrong sometimes, but Karch continued his insistence that she was 'out of position' even though he didn't know what Hambly was asking her to do. Oh, okay got it so you were just incorrect. I understand what you were trying to say now... it just isn’t right. Karch knew exactly what Hentz’s instructions were. He was critiquing her poor reading ability and how poorly she positioned herself for attacks.
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Post by libro on Apr 15, 2020 13:19:11 GMT -5
Well you being Cardinalvolley you probably know this. But I hope this forum and the world knows how legit and precise of a lib Morgan Hentz is. I won’t suck her off too much more but she knows when to make things perfect and when not bc of a backrow setter, situation, etc. when she passes off balls, typically they’re so HIGH that Gray could make that a 2 pass easy (let’s not go into Florida semis 2017, I consider that her sophomore slump). If USA wants to excel in that position, someone convince her to get in that gym now. That's actually the exact opposite of her game right now. Hentz' strengths are her athleticism, footwork and reading. Her weaknesses (and I'm using that word ONLY in comparison to the very best in the country - she's not 'weak' at anything) are her touch and how precise she is in her work. Her GP% This past season was 57.6%. Lake, in comparison, was at 63.5% (joint top Libero in D1). Defensively, Lake is also more accurate. Her dig accuracy is 72.6% (top Libero in D1) whereas Hentz was at 65.6%. As I said before, Hentz covers a ton of floor but that's less valuable at the Olympic level and more of her digs go straight over than you'd want at the top level. Again, I'm not saying she can't refine those things and become a top, top Libero but her strengths/weaknesses are the opposite of what you noted. You can look at your stats all you’d like, but there is a certain eye test at least I invoke when I watch liberos. Her quality of touches is, in my opinion, second to none. There are the plays where liberos are just attempting to get the ball up because it’s an incredible swing, but when she doesn’t have to just sprawl to get it up, when she’s read right, she digs that ball on target, high, where it needs to be. There’s digs and then there’s digs to trans and she is just better IMO than your stats show.
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Post by libro on Apr 15, 2020 13:24:20 GMT -5
Did you really not understand what I was trying to say? Edited for clarity: Hambly gave her half the court and said 'go get the ball'. That means big reads and it means being wrong sometimes, but Karch continued his insistence that she was 'out of position' even though he didn't know what Hambly was asking her to do. Oh, okay got it so you were just incorrect. I understand what you were trying to say now... it just isn’t right. Karch knew exactly what Hentz’s instructions were. He was critiquing her poor reading ability and how poorly she positioned herself for attacks. A lot of the plays Karch knocks her for is when she steps into a huge seam or steps in 1 on 1 and then that ball takes a deflection to the perimeter of the court, or that ball is just batted on her sideline. She takes away the most likely scenario to hit and I empathize with that. She can be wrong on the outrageously good hits to the sideline and some deep block deflections. EDIT: I say she can get beaten on SOME! I know that’s where pro level players hit is sidelines and off the block, but she can get better at chasing those down and all that
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 13:38:13 GMT -5
Those are two contradictory statements. Saying 1. Hambly instructed Hentz to cover half the court and read the play, followed by 2. Hambly instructed Hentz to be in a certain position. So which is it. Hambly have her free rein or Hambly gave her positioning? Did you really not understand what I was trying to say? Edited for clarity: Hambly gave her half the court and said 'go get the ball'. That means big reads and it means being wrong sometimes, but Karch continued his insistence that she was 'out of position' even though he didn't know what Hambly was asking her to do. Hawk Attack It's less complicated than you're both making it seem. It isn't about her position, it's about her responsibilities. Hentz spends most of her time in 'base to corner read'. That allows whoever is in middle back to stay neutral and allows Hentz to make plays on balls that other Bros don't get to play. This is Hambly allowing Hentz to use her great reading skills and footwork to maximise her touches. The problem, as Karch sees it, is that she takes too many small steps and isn't 'stopped on contact' (fun fact, no one is but some coaches still preach it). That's what I mean about not being sure if Hentz' defense will translate to the Olympic level... No Libero stays in base to corner read most of the time because you have hitters who can just obliterate the ball and they're much harder to read. Again, I'm not saying Hentz CAN'T do it, but it's not a given that she can.
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