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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 13:39:08 GMT -5
That's actually the exact opposite of her game right now. Hentz' strengths are her athleticism, footwork and reading. Her weaknesses (and I'm using that word ONLY in comparison to the very best in the country - she's not 'weak' at anything) are her touch and how precise she is in her work. Her GP% This past season was 57.6%. Lake, in comparison, was at 63.5% (joint top Libero in D1). Defensively, Lake is also more accurate. Her dig accuracy is 72.6% (top Libero in D1) whereas Hentz was at 65.6%. As I said before, Hentz covers a ton of floor but that's less valuable at the Olympic level and more of her digs go straight over than you'd want at the top level. Again, I'm not saying she can't refine those things and become a top, top Libero but her strengths/weaknesses are the opposite of what you noted. You can look at your stats all you’d like, but there is a certain eye test at least I invoke when I watch liberos. Her quality of touches is, in my opinion, second to none. There are the plays where liberos are just attempting to get the ball up because it’s an incredible swing, but when she doesn’t have to just sprawl to get it up, when she’s read right, she digs that ball on target, high, where it needs to be. There’s digs and then there’s digs to trans and she is just better IMO than your stats show. Yes, I'm sure you know more about evaluating Liberos than I do.
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Post by libro on Apr 15, 2020 13:52:00 GMT -5
You can look at your stats all you’d like, but there is a certain eye test at least I invoke when I watch liberos. Her quality of touches is, in my opinion, second to none. There are the plays where liberos are just attempting to get the ball up because it’s an incredible swing, but when she doesn’t have to just sprawl to get it up, when she’s read right, she digs that ball on target, high, where it needs to be. There’s digs and then there’s digs to trans and she is just better IMO than your stats show. Yes, I'm sure you know more about evaluating Liberos than I do. No disrespect meant, not saying that at all. Just want her to prove herself that she’s the best
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Post by donut on Apr 15, 2020 13:54:53 GMT -5
I don't understand what you're saying here? Can you clarify? Certainly. I can’t exactly attest to this, I’ve never been an outside. But when KRob is an outside and not a lib, she isn’t as susceptible in SR. For some reason when you throw an OH into the lib spot, their passing just isn’t as strong and teams like Guidetti and Turkey and Lang Ping of China serve the F out of our liberos no matter who they are and causes so many issues. My main point: when KRob is OH= not as susceptible passing. When KRob libero: more susceptible to SR miscues I am going to assume you mean "susceptible to poor/bad passing." Because otherwise, none of this really makes sense. There are several things wrong with the above: 1) Even if our OHs are weaker passers when they slot into the libero role (which is believable, at least at first), it doesn't matter if they are still better passers (and defenders) then our other libero options. The exact same logic applies for Kelsey. 2) Guidetti and Lang Ping are not "serving the F out of our liberos no matter who they are" without a different underlying reason. I'm not surprised if they were targeting our liberos the last two summers. JWO was a shaky mess, KRob was playing a brand new position, and Courtney (in addition to playing a brand new position) was probably perceived as the weakest passer between her, Larson and KRob. Inversely, if our libero is that important because they are going to receive every pass, we should put our best passer there! You're hurting your argument more than helping it, honestly. I think you're looking at this too individually, plus suffering from recency bias. Go back and watch Kelsey at libero in 2018 - she was a revelation. The drop off, currently, between her and the next option at libero, is much larger than between her and the next option at OH (if we're even accepting she's #1/#2 in the depth chart).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 13:57:42 GMT -5
Yes, I'm sure you know more about evaluating Liberos than I do. No disrespect meant, not saying that at all. Just want her to prove herself that she’s the best I do too, for what it's worth. I love her defense. As I said earlier, I've spent much of this week going thru her film challenging our smalls to incorporate elements of what Hentz does. And I like that Stanford fans are so ardent in their support of her. But saying that her strengths are her precision and touch would be like saying KP's strengths are her durability, serve receive and wicked top spin serve.
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Post by pbbandito on Apr 15, 2020 14:01:39 GMT -5
For me personally, I really want to see some of these liberos play for the national team, just to satisfy my curiosity. We haven't seen Hentz or White or Maloney play at the high international level, and only really had a glimpse of Lake and JWO. We can argue and debate each of their strengths and weaknesses, but I selfishly want to see live competition. The best will win out. Just looking for a little dynamic volleyball indulgence! Plus it's fun to imagine how each of them would perform.
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Post by azvb on Apr 15, 2020 14:04:25 GMT -5
I think our libero needs 3 qualities, in this order:
Pass Pick up a tip Run down a ball behind the court
So many digs happen because the ball happen to be hit where they are standing-I’m talking bullets. So, just stand where the scouting report told you, and you’ll probably get a few digs.
Discuss.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Apr 15, 2020 14:24:31 GMT -5
I think our libero needs 3 qualities, in this order: Pass Pick up a tip Run down a ball behind the court So many digs happen because the ball happen to be hit where they are standing-I’m talking bullets. So, just stand where the scouting report told you, and you’ll probably get a few digs. Discuss. While it’s very glaring when our bro’s don’t pick up tips, not sure that’s the specific number 2 quality needed.
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Post by Disc808 on Apr 15, 2020 14:36:46 GMT -5
I would rather see Robinson at Libero , and Plummer / another pin in lieu. Of course this is homerism but at least try it out hehe
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 15:20:26 GMT -5
I think our libero needs 3 qualities, in this order: Pass Pick up a tip Run down a ball behind the court So many digs happen because the ball happen to be hit where they are standing-I’m talking bullets. So, just stand where the scouting report told you, and you’ll probably get a few digs. Discuss. While it’s very glaring when our bro’s don’t pick up tips, not sure that’s the specific number 2 quality needed. In a perimeter read defense, picking up tips is all about reading & footwork. Both are definitely qualities that are needed. This is actually something that Luka has been trying to improve in the gym but because Karch will always favor serve receive over defense you're going to end up with Liberos that are closer to KGB than De Gennaro. In my opinion JWO has the ability to do both at a high level, but she needs to be consistent in SR in order to lock down the position.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 15:28:10 GMT -5
I think our libero needs 3 qualities, in this order: Pass Pick up a tip Run down a ball behind the court So many digs happen because the ball happen to be hit where they are standing-I’m talking bullets. So, just stand where the scouting report told you, and you’ll probably get a few digs. Discuss. Regarding 3) a technical difference in the men's and the women's game is that male defenders are routinely taught to stand up tall when they've got a good block (in order to react faster to a block touch) and dig in more when the block is late or there's a seam (so the defender can dig a hard driven ball). This concept is picking up momentum among coaches on the women's side but I still think it's an idea which, if shared earlier, would benefit the women's game.
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Post by fanbase on Apr 15, 2020 15:39:08 GMT -5
A little bit off topic but how is no one considering Hill as a starter? How come she’s riding the bench, but worldwide she’s considered one of the best OHs. It seems like she had the best season out the four by a decent margin as well.
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Post by agean09 on Apr 15, 2020 15:57:22 GMT -5
A little bit off topic but how is no one considering Hill as a starter? How come she’s riding the bench, but worldwide she’s considered one of the best OHs. It seems like she had the best season out the four by a decent margin as well. I think it' because, generally, Hill's performances during the Club season don't always carry over to the National Team season. Personally, I think she thrives at Conegliano because she has such a great cast of teammates and especially because Wolosz can set her perfectly. Take those factors away and she's still a great player, but she tends to not do quite as well with our team.
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Post by libro on Apr 15, 2020 15:59:56 GMT -5
I think our libero needs 3 qualities, in this order: Pass Pick up a tip Run down a ball behind the court So many digs happen because the ball happen to be hit where they are standing-I’m talking bullets. So, just stand where the scouting report told you, and you’ll probably get a few digs. Discuss. I think hitter coverage SHOULD be an important point for a libero, especially when there’s that one you can obviously tell is there every play ready. But as far as defense and scouting, yes it helps, but to a point. imo you need someone you can dig something straight at them no matter what speed, and also someone whose reactions are quick enough to make a fast play play to either side, or high or low. It’s those balls that you’re in the right spot for but it’s like 1 foot or 2 away and now it’s up to you to cut it off
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Post by azvb on Apr 15, 2020 16:00:53 GMT -5
I think our libero needs 3 qualities, in this order: Pass Pick up a tip Run down a ball behind the court So many digs happen because the ball happen to be hit where they are standing-I’m talking bullets. So, just stand where the scouting report told you, and you’ll probably get a few digs. Discuss. While it’s very glaring when our bro’s don’t pick up tips, not sure that’s the specific number 2 quality needed. To me missing a tip is like overpassing a free ball. You are giving up almost a sure point. But, that’s just me. I spend a lot of time pounding the couch when watching VB on TV and a tip drops.
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Post by azvb on Apr 15, 2020 16:01:58 GMT -5
I think our libero needs 3 qualities, in this order: Pass Pick up a tip Run down a ball behind the court So many digs happen because the ball happen to be hit where they are standing-I’m talking bullets. So, just stand where the scouting report told you, and you’ll probably get a few digs. Discuss. I think hitter coverage SHOULD be an important point for a libero, especially when there’s that one you can obviously tell is there every play ready. But as far as defense and scouting, yes it helps, but to a point. imo you need someone you can dig something straight at them no matter what speed, and also someone whose reactions are quick enough to make a fast play play to either side, or high or low. It’s those balls that you’re in the right spot for but it’s like 1 foot or 2 away and now it’s up to you to cut it off I concur.
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