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Post by horns1 on Jul 2, 2022 21:45:53 GMT -5
Money aside, are Texas fans just completely forgetting about geography? Why would California schools agree to join a conference where they would have to travel almost 3,000 miles and 3 time zones to play West Virginia? Or even 2,000 miles and 2 time zones to play Iowa State?The Arizona schools have a history with the Border Conference (and specifically Texas Tech), and Colorado obviously has a history with the Big 12. Those are the only 3 schools that make any sense. Good one!
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Post by horns1 on Jul 2, 2022 21:47:56 GMT -5
Money aside, are Texas fans just completely forgetting about geography? Why would California schools agree to join a conference where they would have to travel almost 3,000 miles and 3 time zones to play West Virginia? Or even 2,000 miles and 2 time zones to play Iowa State? The Arizona schools have a history with the Border Conference (and specifically Texas Tech), and Colorado obviously has a history with the Big 12. Those are the only 3 schools that make any sense. Desperate times often call for desperate measures. Why don't you ask West Virginia those same questions? They are sitting in a better position now after having joined the Big 12 and having to travel halfway across the country than if they had declined the Big 12's invitation. They are definitely sitting prettier and in a more stable position than are the PAC 12 schools.
Again, we all can agree that any potential movement by any PAC 12 schools to even consider joining the Big 12 would be money-driven. If they are happy with their current financial situations, and their short-term and long-term financial earnings, then just sit on your hands and do nothing. It's not like the B1G, ACC, or SEC are going to invite any PAC 12 schools to join their conference (unless it's like USC and UCLA). But, then you'd have many more travel destinations way beyond the majority of Big 12 locations.
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Post by horns1 on Jul 2, 2022 21:49:31 GMT -5
Oh, brother. PAC 12 schools going bankrupt down the road will have zero leverage in any negotiations with prospective conference realignment; you will not be dealing from a position of power, that's for sure. If your shortsightedness sees it as "helping Texas" instead of certain PAC 12 schools "helping themselves", then you deserve whatever financial decline you get. If none of the California schools want to come, the Big 12 likely moves on to the Arizona schools, Utah, Colorado, and BYU.
Go ahead and fall into the Pacific Ocean for all I care . . . I'm pretty sure you'd see programs like Cal schools, Washington, Oregon shed sports before they jump ship to the Big 12. If the writing is on the wall and the Pac-12 big dogs are falling further behind in success and viewership for football and basketball, why not just ax it now before committing even MORE resources to playing in the Big 12 all for the inevitable outcome? UCLA didn't even fill its stadium when it played Oklahoma last year, what makes you think it's going to fill its stadium playing Oklahoma every year? You should totally be the PAC 12 commissioner!
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Post by horns1 on Jul 2, 2022 21:50:58 GMT -5
It's not like the Big XII is making SEC or Big Ten money. The differential isn't so huge it would make it worthwhile for all of the other negatives the Big XII brings. The most desirable schools in the PAC are also the least likely to move. Not to the Big 12; you were right. To the B1G?
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Post by horns1 on Jul 2, 2022 21:51:56 GMT -5
Oh, brother. PAC 12 schools going bankrupt down the road will have zero leverage in any negotiations with prospective conference realignment; you will not be dealing from a position of power, that's for sure. If your shortsightedness sees it as "helping Texas" instead of certain PAC 12 schools "helping themselves", then you deserve whatever financial decline you get. And, just to remind you, when the Big 12 was being created, ALL schools voted against equal revenue sharing (mainly because Nebraska, OU, Texas, and A&M felt they could market their own Tier 3 television rights). So, what happened? Nebraska and A&M football started to tank as the Big 12 years progressed. OU and Texas football started flourishing. And, after like 10 years in the Big 12, Texas found a TV deal for its Tier 3 rights that no one could have dreamed.
If none of the California schools want to come, the Big 12 likely moves on to the Arizona schools, Utah, Colorado, and BYU.
Go ahead and fall into the Pacific Ocean for all I care . . . LOL. Texas fans... If you guys had just agreed to profit-sharing you would still have a conference. For that matter, if you had been willing to do profit-sharing, you would be in the PAC right now. The only thing that blew up that deal was Texas refusing to share the Longhorn Network. Texas sitting pretty today. How's your school's athletic program looking?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 2, 2022 21:54:22 GMT -5
It's not like the Big XII is making SEC or Big Ten money. The differential isn't so huge it would make it worthwhile for all of the other negatives the Big XII brings. The most desirable schools in the PAC are also the least likely to move. Not to the Big 12; you were right. To the B1G? You came in here proposing the Desert schools would decamp for the Big 12. They didn't. USC and UCLA are gone, the Desert schools STILL haven't gone to the Big 12. The shuffling isn't over yet, but it's more than likely that no PAC school is leaving for the Big 12 before (or unless) another domino falls. Nobody wants to go to the Big 12. What exactly do you think you're dunking on?
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Post by horns1 on Jul 2, 2022 22:01:49 GMT -5
Not to the Big 12; you were right. To the B1G? You came in here proposing the Desert schools would decamp for the Big 12. They didn't. USC and UCLA are gone, the Desert schools STILL haven't gone to the Big 12. The shuffling isn't over yet, but it's more than likely that no PAC school is leaving for the Big 12 before (or unless) another domino falls. Nobody wants to go to the Big 12. What exactly do you think you're dunking on? My posts 2 years ago were when Texas and Oklahoma were still in the Big 12. That's changed now as it's on to the SEC. What hasn't changed in 2 years is the PAC 12 didn't make any type of expansion moves. And, they left themselves completely open to poaching. So, the "leftovers" in the PAC 12 will have limited options. The PAC 12 still can't add anyone who will help increase TV revenue. Some of the leftovers will land in the Big 12. I could care less about the Big 12. But, today, it's more stable than the PAC 12, that's for sure.
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Post by donut on Jul 2, 2022 22:07:07 GMT -5
holy sht lol
at a loss for words for how sad this is
but ok, congrats?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 2, 2022 22:07:52 GMT -5
You came in here proposing the Desert schools would decamp for the Big 12. They didn't. USC and UCLA are gone, the Desert schools STILL haven't gone to the Big 12. The shuffling isn't over yet, but it's more than likely that no PAC school is leaving for the Big 12 before (or unless) another domino falls. Nobody wants to go to the Big 12. What exactly do you think you're dunking on? My posts 2 years ago were when Texas and Oklahoma were still in the Big 12. That's changed now as it's on to the SEC. What hasn't changed in 2 years is the PAC 12 didn't make any type of expansion moves. And, they left themselves completely open to poaching. So, the "leftovers" in the PAC 12 will have limited options. The PAC 12 still can't add anyone who will help increase TV revenue. Some of the leftovers will land in the Big 12. I could care less about the Big 12. But, today, it's more stable than the PAC 12, that's for sure. The PAC had no "expansion moves" available over the last 2 years that would have increased their revenue or made USC/UCLA not amenable to poaching by the Big Ten. PAC didn't have the opportunity to renegotiate media deals before they left and even then the gap would probably still be too big. It was just surprising they went to the LA schools before other expansion options. The Big 12 is only "more stable" than the PAC because it's already been thoroughly picked over. Your original point was, and remains, stupid. But keep on bumping the thread!
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Post by horns1 on Jul 2, 2022 22:12:25 GMT -5
My posts 2 years ago were when Texas and Oklahoma were still in the Big 12. That's changed now as it's on to the SEC. What hasn't changed in 2 years is the PAC 12 didn't make any type of expansion moves. And, they left themselves completely open to poaching. So, the "leftovers" in the PAC 12 will have limited options. The PAC 12 still can't add anyone who will help increase TV revenue. Some of the leftovers will land in the Big 12. I could care less about the Big 12. But, today, it's more stable than the PAC 12, that's for sure. The PAC had no "expansion moves" available over the last 2 years that would have increased their revenue or made USC/UCLA not amenable to poaching by the Big Ten. PAC didn't have the opportunity to renegotiate media deals before they left and even then the gap would probably still be too big. It was just surprising they went to the LA schools before other expansion options. The Big 12 is only "more stable" than the PAC because it's already been thoroughly picked over. Your original point was, and remains, stupid. But keep on bumping the thread!I will. It's a lot of fun. All these PAC fans who thought their charter members would never leave for greener pastures got a huge dose of reality 2 days ago, especially you. Now, it will be so much fun to what how you handle the aftermath.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 2, 2022 22:14:57 GMT -5
The PAC had no "expansion moves" available over the last 2 years that would have increased their revenue or made USC/UCLA not amenable to poaching by the Big Ten. PAC didn't have the opportunity to renegotiate media deals before they left and even then the gap would probably still be too big. It was just surprising they went to the LA schools before other expansion options. The Big 12 is only "more stable" than the PAC because it's already been thoroughly picked over. Your original point was, and remains, stupid. But keep on bumping the thread!I will. It's a lot of fun. All these PAC fans who thought their charter members would never leave for greener pastures got a huge dose of reality 2 days ago, especially you. Now, it will be so much fun to what how you handle the aftermath. LOL. Nobody in the PAC 12 wanted to go to the Big 12. They still don't. Not really sure you're giving out a reality dose like you think. Like literally, you bumped a post from me saying there's no way anyone from the PAC would go to the Big 12 in 2020 because they're not getting Big Ten or SEC money -- guess what? That was right on reality!
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Post by pbmu on Jul 2, 2022 22:18:37 GMT -5
Lord ppl really had time to dig this up lmao
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Post by horns1 on Jul 2, 2022 22:26:53 GMT -5
I will. It's a lot of fun. All these PAC fans who thought their charter members would never leave for greener pastures got a huge dose of reality 2 days ago, especially you. Now, it will be so much fun to what how you handle the aftermath. LOL. Nobody in the PAC 12 wanted to go to the Big 12. They still don't. Not really sure you're giving out a reality dose like you think. Like literally, you bumped a post from me saying there's no way anyone from the PAC would go to the Big 12 in 2020 because they're not getting Big Ten or SEC money -- guess what? That was right on reality! Let me know how many options Oregon has as of tonight. I agree that nobody "wants" to go to the Big 12. But, beggars can't be choosers. For the record, I don't think the Big 12 will have Oregon at the top of its wish list for expansion. Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State will be much better geographic fits, and bring in larger TV markets than Oregon.
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Post by photos1 on Jul 2, 2022 22:38:41 GMT -5
LOL. Nobody in the PAC 12 wanted to go to the Big 12. They still don't. Not really sure you're giving out a reality dose like you think. Like literally, you bumped a post from me saying there's no way anyone from the PAC would go to the Big 12 in 2020 because they're not getting Big Ten or SEC money -- guess what? That was right on reality! Let me know how many options Oregon has as of tonight. I agree that nobody "wants" to go to the Big 12. But, beggars can't be choosers. For the record, I don't think the Big 12 will have Oregon at the top of its wish list for expansion. Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State will be much better geographic fits, and bring in larger TV markets than Oregon. I think you might be wrong about Oregon. While the B1G and SEC probably don’t have spot for them I am sure the Big12 certainly would. They will do anything to stay relevant, Nike/Phil Knight and his ties to Oregon will keep the Big12 relvant as much as any single school/person can make them. Knight’s ability to give NIL deals for the conference Oregon is in alone should keep Oregon the number one target of the Big12. My understanding is the university system in Oregon wants to keep Oregon AND Oregon State in the same conference. . . We’ll see how it goes. . . NIL money keeps Oregon in ALL conference discussions, imo.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 2, 2022 22:46:24 GMT -5
LOL. Nobody in the PAC 12 wanted to go to the Big 12. They still don't. Not really sure you're giving out a reality dose like you think. Like literally, you bumped a post from me saying there's no way anyone from the PAC would go to the Big 12 in 2020 because they're not getting Big Ten or SEC money -- guess what? That was right on reality! Let me know how many options Oregon has as of tonight. I agree that nobody "wants" to go to the Big 12. But, beggars can't be choosers. For the record, I don't think the Big 12 will have Oregon at the top of its wish list for expansion. Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State will be much better geographic fits, and bring in larger TV markets than Oregon. We will see which of Oregon's options end up happening! As you note, the shuffling may or may not be done. And we know how much value to put into your predictions!
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