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Post by johnbar on Jul 31, 2020 19:49:46 GMT -5
The very first time a player walks onto the court in any match, they burn a redshirt. In the case of a medical waiver, 30% (IIRC) of the team's matches. There's also not playing past the midway point of contests (or dates) played by the team. The 30% and midway points can be a moving target if a team goes into postseason play and/or if contests are cancelled. I thought the 30% rule only counted the regular season, not the postseason. What I recall for Michaela Keefe is that it was 30% of 29 matches = 8.7, which gets rounded up to 9. Since she played in exactly 9 matches, she was allowed a medical redshirt (which she ended up not using).
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Post by BearClause on Jul 31, 2020 20:17:22 GMT -5
There's also not playing past the midway point of contests (or dates) played by the team. The 30% and midway points can be a moving target if a team goes into postseason play and/or if contests are cancelled. I thought the 30% rule only counted the regular season, not the postseason. What I recall for Michaela Keefe is that it was 30% of 29 matches = 8.7, which gets rounded up to 9. Since she played in exactly 9 matches, she was allowed a medical redshirt (which she ended up not using). Sorry - I haven't thought of this for a while. It's kind of a combination where the NCAA can considered it for "scheduled" or "completed" contests, and I believe the latter includes postseason. There's also "dates of competition" that can be used if more favorable. I've been to an early season tournament where the host played four matches in two consecutive days. If it's really close then more "completed" contests might push someone under the thresholds. It's 12.8.4(c): And the first half of season calculation is another pain:
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Jul 31, 2020 20:47:12 GMT -5
OK, I can understand folks worrying about redshirting and counting seasons, but, really. Virus willing, you're going to get a conference season. What's important is keeping everyone healthy not whether the players can get a hardship waiver!
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Post by n00b on Jul 31, 2020 21:07:01 GMT -5
OK, I can understand folks worrying about redshirting and counting seasons, but, really. Virus willing, you're going to get a conference season. What's important is keeping everyone healthy not whether the players can get a hardship waiver! To me the concerns arise from the ACC's announcement. The NCAA said you only need to play 10 matches to be eligible for the NCAA tournament so the ACC is playing exactly 10 matches. Gotta hope the Pac-12 doesn't do the same.
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Post by brooselee on Jul 31, 2020 22:19:41 GMT -5
I wonder how many players would opt out? As much as these girls want to play, there are risks with the CV and also an uncertain situation with eligibility and maybe even if a championship will be held.
It would suck big time to lose a year of eligibility and only play in 10-12 matches. Suck even more if mom , dad, grandpa and grandma are not allowed to watch iin person. Some parents may not want their child put in such volatile situation.
I have joined the “play in the spring” side. I just feel it will be a more stable situation later. Right now, everything is still up in the air and a lot of question marks. Very chaotic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 23:30:23 GMT -5
I wonder how many players would opt out? As much as these girls want to play, there are risks with the CV and also an uncertain situation with eligibility and maybe even if a championship will be held. It would suck big time to lose a year of eligibility and only play in 10-12 matches. Suck even more if mom , dad, grandpa and grandma are not allowed to watch iin person. Some parents may not want their child put in such volatile situation. I have joined the “play in the spring” side. I just feel it will be a more stable situation later. Right now, everything is still up in the air and a lot of question marks. Very chaotic. Currently there is no "play in spring" side, unless the NCAA moves the championship. I do not know a single coach who WANTS to play in fall... But without action from the NCAA (which I'm not expecting at this stage) it seems like we're going in fall. Therefore, unless the virus shuts down the season (which is eminently possible) spring will just turn into a bunch of schools playing some exhibition games.
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Post by n00b on Jul 31, 2020 23:54:13 GMT -5
I wonder how many players would opt out? As much as these girls want to play, there are risks with the CV and also an uncertain situation with eligibility and maybe even if a championship will be held. It would suck big time to lose a year of eligibility and only play in 10-12 matches. Suck even more if mom , dad, grandpa and grandma are not allowed to watch iin person. Some parents may not want their child put in such volatile situation. I have joined the “play in the spring” side. I just feel it will be a more stable situation later. Right now, everything is still up in the air and a lot of question marks. Very chaotic. Currently there is no "play in spring" side, unless the NCAA moves the championship. I do not know a single coach who WANTS to play in fall... But without action from the NCAA (which I'm not expecting at this stage) it seems like we're going in fall. Therefore, unless the virus shuts down the season (which is eminently possible) spring will just turn into a bunch of schools playing some exhibition games. It's a game of chicken and neither side is willing to flinch. Football conferences have no way to justify postponing non-football sports to the spring. And the NCAA has said they'll follow what the conferences do. Neither side is willing to make the first move unless the conferences give up on fall football.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 23:59:26 GMT -5
Currently there is no "play in spring" side, unless the NCAA moves the championship. I do not know a single coach who WANTS to play in fall... But without action from the NCAA (which I'm not expecting at this stage) it seems like we're going in fall. Therefore, unless the virus shuts down the season (which is eminently possible) spring will just turn into a bunch of schools playing some exhibition games. It's a game of chicken and neither side is willing to flinch. Football conferences have no way to justify postponing non-football sports to the spring. And the NCAA has said they'll follow what the conferences do. Neither side is willing to make the first move unless the conferences give up on fall football. A game of chicken was the exact phrase that I heard used on a call today. It's so frustrating to know that there is a strong consensus that this is the wrong option and yet we're all still going along with it anyway.
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Post by brooselee on Aug 1, 2020 0:02:05 GMT -5
I wonder how many players would opt out? As much as these girls want to play, there are risks with the CV and also an uncertain situation with eligibility and maybe even if a championship will be held. It would suck big time to lose a year of eligibility and only play in 10-12 matches. Suck even more if mom , dad, grandpa and grandma are not allowed to watch iin person. Some parents may not want their child put in such volatile situation. I have joined the “play in the spring” side. I just feel it will be a more stable situation later. Right now, everything is still up in the air and a lot of question marks. Very chaotic. Currently there is no "play in spring" side, unless the NCAA moves the championship. I do not know a single coach who WANTS to play in fall... But without action from the NCAA (which I'm not expecting at this stage) it seems like we're going in fall. Therefore, unless the virus shuts down the season (which is eminently possible) spring will just turn into a bunch of schools playing some exhibition games. Might be ‘exhibition” to some but it’s still a chance to win a BW title. Look at it this way....even if the BW went ahead and play in the fall, the season would be conference only anyway. So moving to the Spring and play conference only should not be a big deal. Sure, teams will miss out on a chance to compete in the postseason but moving to spring could provide for a safer environment and peace of mind...allowing the players to focus on playing. Right now, other things take priority. The pandemic, the economy, the social strife, weather, etc..Too much non sports stuff to worry about. The virus is not going away in the spring but hopefully the cases will be lowered and the outbreak iwill be under control. The economy will recover, the social situation will improve and everything will be close to normal as possible. For Hawaii, a chance to let fans watch the match and generate some money. If the season was to be played in the fall, I don’t think the Governor of Hawaii will allow fans to attend.
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Post by n00b on Aug 1, 2020 0:10:04 GMT -5
It's a game of chicken and neither side is willing to flinch. Football conferences have no way to justify postponing non-football sports to the spring. And the NCAA has said they'll follow what the conferences do. Neither side is willing to make the first move unless the conferences give up on fall football. A game of chicken was the exact phrase that I heard used on a call today. It's so frustrating to know that there is a strong consensus that this is the wrong option and yet we're all still going along with it anyway. Has the NCAA said they’d be willing to run a spring championship?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 0:10:30 GMT -5
Currently there is no "play in spring" side, unless the NCAA moves the championship. I do not know a single coach who WANTS to play in fall... But without action from the NCAA (which I'm not expecting at this stage) it seems like we're going in fall. Therefore, unless the virus shuts down the season (which is eminently possible) spring will just turn into a bunch of schools playing some exhibition games. Might be ‘exhibition” to some but it’s still a chance to win a BW title. Look at it this way....even if the BW went ahead and play in the fall, the season would be conference only anyway. So moving to the Spring and play conference only should not be a big deal. Sure, teams will miss out on a chance to compete in the postseason but moving to spring could provide for a safer environment and peace of mind...allowing the players to focus on playing. Right now, other things take priority. Too much non sports stuff to worry about. The virus is not going away in the spring but hopefully the cases will be lowered and the outbreak iwill be under control. For Hawaii, a chance to let fans watch the match and generate some money. If the season was to be played in the fall, I don’t think the Governor of Hawaii will allow fans to attend. Fans won't be back until a vaccine is widely available. I know some of the BW coaches very well and a quite a few of the players; missing out on a potential tournament berth is a BIG deal to them. I feel for them and I am frustrated that we're in this situation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 0:22:55 GMT -5
A game of chicken was the exact phrase that I heard used on a call today. It's so frustrating to know that there is a strong consensus that this is the wrong option and yet we're all still going along with it anyway. Has the NCAA said they’d be willing to run a spring championship? Funny you should ask; the thought I've heard from multiple people this week is that the NCAA would rather cancel WVB entirely than go through the logistics of a spring championship. And I don't think a cancellation would be based on public health concerns... If that was their motivation, they'd presumably have provided more leadership to conferences struggling with return-to-practice protocols... It seems like they'd just prefer not to have the trouble!
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Post by brooselee on Aug 1, 2020 0:25:29 GMT -5
Might be ‘exhibition” to some but it’s still a chance to win a BW title. Look at it this way....even if the BW went ahead and play in the fall, the season would be conference only anyway. So moving to the Spring and play conference only should not be a big deal. Sure, teams will miss out on a chance to compete in the postseason but moving to spring could provide for a safer environment and peace of mind...allowing the players to focus on playing. Right now, other things take priority. Too much non sports stuff to worry about. The virus is not going away in the spring but hopefully the cases will be lowered and the outbreak iwill be under control. For Hawaii, a chance to let fans watch the match and generate some money. If the season was to be played in the fall, I don’t think the Governor of Hawaii will allow fans to attend. Fans won't be back until a vaccine is widely available. I know some of the BW coaches very well and a quite a few of the players; missing out on a potential tournament berth is a BIG deal to them. I feel for them and I am frustrated that we're in this situation. I don’t doubt they are bummed. Sometimes young people just need time to think things through. They think they are invincible I know I felt that way when I was younger. Did plenty of stuff I would never do now. Hopefully, the players will keep a positive attitude and bring their ‘A” game in the spring. Right now, sports is not that important.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 0:32:11 GMT -5
Fans won't be back until a vaccine is widely available. I know some of the BW coaches very well and a quite a few of the players; missing out on a potential tournament berth is a BIG deal to them. I feel for them and I am frustrated that we're in this situation. I don’t doubt they are bummed. Sometimes young people just need time to think things through. They think they are invincible I know I felt that way when I was younger. Did plenty of stuff I would never do now. Hopefully, the players will keep a positive attitude and bring their ‘A” game in the spring. Right now, sports is not that important. Haha, I was more talking about BW coaches. I have coached a couple of BW players since Wednesday and they're still locked in.
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Post by brooselee on Aug 1, 2020 1:17:53 GMT -5
I don’t doubt they are bummed. Sometimes young people just need time to think things through. They think they are invincible I know I felt that way when I was younger. Did plenty of stuff I would never do now. Hopefully, the players will keep a positive attitude and bring their ‘A” game in the spring. Right now, sports is not that important. Haha, I was more talking about BW coaches. I have coached a couple of BW players since Wednesday and they're still locked in. I guess some coaches need time too. They need to think about how they would feel if one of their players was to get real sick The coaches should be the smart ones.
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