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Post by vbnerd on Aug 1, 2020 1:59:03 GMT -5
A game of chicken was the exact phrase that I heard used on a call today. It's so frustrating to know that there is a strong consensus that this is the wrong option and yet we're all still going along with it anyway. Has the NCAA said they’d be willing to run a spring championship? According to the Wisconsin coach they don't seem any more ready to run a Fall championship. How many teams? How do you evaluate across conferences? What happens if a team has positives during the tournament? Nobody knows. Or at least they didn't as of Tuesday.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 1, 2020 5:47:10 GMT -5
It's so frustrating to know that there is a strong consensus that this is the wrong option and yet we're all still going along with it anyway. Bad ideas work like that, sometimes.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 1, 2020 5:50:08 GMT -5
Has the NCAA said they’d be willing to run a spring championship? Funny you should ask; the thought I've heard from multiple people this week is that the NCAA would rather cancel WVB entirely than go through the logistics of a spring championship. And I don't think a cancellation would be based on public health concerns... If that was their motivation, they'd presumably have provided more leadership to conferences struggling with return-to-practice protocols... It seems like they'd just prefer not to have the trouble! This is one of the least surprising things I've read in a long time. They already cancelled all winter and spring championships in 2020. Why would they be gun-shy about cancelling the volleyball championship?
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Post by bkedane on Aug 1, 2020 9:27:42 GMT -5
I don’t doubt they are bummed. Sometimes young people just need time to think things through. They think they are invincible I know I felt that way when I was younger. Did plenty of stuff I would never do now. Hopefully, the players will keep a positive attitude and bring their ‘A” game in the spring. Right now, sports is not that important. Haha, I was more talking about BW coaches. I have coached a couple of BW players since Wednesday and they're still locked in. Are teams practicing?
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Post by n00b on Aug 1, 2020 11:11:37 GMT -5
Has the NCAA said they’d be willing to run a spring championship? According to the Wisconsin coach they don't seem any more ready to run a Fall championship. How many teams? How do you evaluate across conferences? What happens if a team has positives during the tournament? Nobody knows. Or at least they didn't as of Tuesday. ‘Not ready’ is still preferable to ‘unwilling to try’.
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Post by n00b on Aug 1, 2020 11:32:35 GMT -5
Might be ‘exhibition” to some but it’s still a chance to win a BW title. Look at it this way....even if the BW went ahead and play in the fall, the season would be conference only anyway. So moving to the Spring and play conference only should not be a big deal. Sure, teams will miss out on a chance to compete in the postseason but moving to spring could provide for a safer environment and peace of mind...allowing the players to focus on playing. Right now, other things take priority. Too much non sports stuff to worry about. The virus is not going away in the spring but hopefully the cases will be lowered and the outbreak iwill be under control. For Hawaii, a chance to let fans watch the match and generate some money. If the season was to be played in the fall, I don’t think the Governor of Hawaii will allow fans to attend. Fans won't be back until a vaccine is widely available. I know some of the BW coaches very well and a quite a few of the players; missing out on a potential tournament berth is a BIG deal to them. I feel for them and I am frustrated that we're in this situation. I agree that this is probably true. But allowing 25% capacity seems just as safe as indoor dining. Maybe a bit worse because you’re there for 2 hours, but a bit safer because you can keep your mask on the whole time. And 25% capacity allows the vast majority of teams to essentially have unrestricted attendance (especially the Pac-12 teams in their basketball arenas).
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Post by johnbar on Aug 1, 2020 12:13:07 GMT -5
Sorry - I haven't thought of this for a while. It's kind of a combination where the NCAA can considered it for "scheduled" or "completed" contests, and I believe the latter includes postseason. There's also "dates of competition" that can be used if more favorable. I've been to an early season tournament where the host played four matches in two consecutive days. If it's really close then more "completed" contests might push someone under the thresholds. It's 12.8.4(c): Thanks. My eyes glazed over before I could finish reading that all. Much more complicated that I realized.
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Post by n00b on Aug 1, 2020 12:27:17 GMT -5
This prompted me to look up the language of a related bylaw:
12.8.3.1.2 Exception—Nonchampionship Segment Competition - In ... women’s volleyball ..., a student-athlete may engage in intercollegiate competition during the segment of the playing season that does not conclude with the NCAA championship without using a season of competition, provided the student-athlete was academically eligible during the segment that concludes with the NCAA championship.
So if a fall championship happens, athletes from the conferences who have postponed to the spring can play a spring season without using a year of eligibility. Now, an exception to the 4-date spring max will be passed and it's possible that also includes that a season of competition will be used.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 12:27:46 GMT -5
Haha, I was more talking about BW coaches. I have coached a couple of BW players since Wednesday and they're still locked in. Are teams practicing? Some are, some aren't. Largely depends on the state atm. As I posted months ago, competitive fairness is non-existent this year.
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Post by BearClause on Aug 1, 2020 13:09:40 GMT -5
This prompted me to look up the language of a related bylaw: 12.8.3.1.2 Exception—Nonchampionship Segment Competition - In ... women’s volleyball ..., a student-athlete may engage in intercollegiate competition during the segment of the playing season that does not conclude with the NCAA championship without using a season of competition, provided the student-athlete was academically eligible during the segment that concludes with the NCAA championship. So if a fall championship happens, athletes from the conferences who have postponed to the spring can play a spring season without using a year of eligibility. Now, an exception to the 4-date spring max will be passed and it's possible that also includes that a season of competition will be used. Yeah - that can be done. I've heard of the occasional player who had played in 4 regular seasons and was asked to come back for spring because of a shortage of players. A player without remaining regular playing eligibility can still practice and play in the "nonchampionship season" within the five year window. Or someone redshirting. The "nonchampionship season" is really just practice and doesn't count towards the four seasons of eligibility. Not sure how it affects eligibility though with your proposed changes. As you note they could make up all sorts of temporary rules to deal with how seasons are changed.
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Post by brooselee on Aug 1, 2020 20:00:10 GMT -5
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 2, 2020 0:04:33 GMT -5
What? How dare they react to obviously being used sacrificially in order to generate TV revenues for their school by asking for some assurances and say in what happens to them?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 0:18:49 GMT -5
What? How dare they react to obviously being used sacrificially in order to generate TV revenues for their school by asking for some assurances and say in what happens to them? Quiet you, this is 'Murica. We root for the multinational corporations and billionaires vs the little guys! Crush the unions!
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Post by brooselee on Aug 2, 2020 0:28:20 GMT -5
What? How dare they react to obviously being used sacrificially in order to generate TV revenues for their school by asking for some assurances and say in what happens to them? Some listed demands are legit(safety and compensation). One, which I will not list, is not. Should not throw that into the list just to hold a university/league hostage. Prohibiting the universities from cutting sports? How can they demand that a school must keep all sports even ones that does not generate any revenue ? Times are tough and there is little money to go around. If the players want something, they need to give up something. Cutting another sport might be the only option. I wonder how the president of each institutions feel about this? They will have a say on whether to give in or not. Presidents and ADs are not always on the same page regarding the important of athletic to an institution. More headaches for the ADs. I don’t envy them.
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Post by VolleyballMag on Aug 2, 2020 17:51:57 GMT -5
I've interviewed a bunch of Pac-12 coaches and will have a story at VolleyballMag.com about the state of affairs sometime Monday. Lot of really good stuff.
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