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Post by rogero1 on Jul 13, 2020 18:39:27 GMT -5
I had that conversation with our conference assignor, the hours and pay is better for a college match, so they aren't worried about getting officials to choose college over club tournament. I can tell you that I and most of my fellow refs would rather work a 2.5 - 3 hour college match (arriving an hour prior to start time) for $175 than work a 10-hour tournament for $225. Here we only get $100-125/match vs. $360 for an all day (12 matches) play date. If you’re depending on making $5, 6, 700+ a weekend, then you’re working the club dates. It all depends on where you live and your financial situation. Like the rules, there are gray areas, not always in black & white.
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Post by rogero1 on Jul 13, 2020 18:45:43 GMT -5
Additional concerns now though. This is assuming basketball is moved to the second semester as well, due to nothing happening in first semester. Two BBall teams & two VB teams at some schools. That’s not much court time to be split between four programs. (Same can be said for turf/stadium sports as well). Do BB & VB teams have to double up on competition days? I know New England has a good amount of D3 men’s, but is lacking in volume of college officials. Someone needs to create a scheduling software program for this chaotic environment that athletic departments will be operating in this Spring. Would the ADs be able to afford it? That’s one of their duties that they get paid the big bucks for.
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Post by saywhatnow on Jul 13, 2020 18:49:39 GMT -5
Someone needs to create a scheduling software program for this chaotic environment that athletic departments will be operating in this Spring. Would the ADs be able to afford it? That’s one of their duties that they get paid the big bucks for. Walk over to the Computer Science department and figure it out together. Make new friends, save money, make money when you sell the software and become more efficient.
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Post by caz on Jul 13, 2020 19:49:21 GMT -5
the CACC (Division II East Region) and its 14 schools are out for the fall.
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Post by JustInCase on Jul 13, 2020 20:14:56 GMT -5
I can tell you that I and most of my fellow refs would rather work a 2.5 - 3 hour college match (arriving an hour prior to start time) for $175 than work a 10-hour tournament for $225. Here we only get $100-125/match vs. $360 for an all day (12 matches) play date. If you’re depending on making $5, 6, 700+ a weekend, then you’re working the club dates. It all depends on where you live and your financial situation. Like the rules, there are gray areas, not always in black & white. I assume you are not talking about college officials fees, because college officials are easily making 3 times that.
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Post by rogero1 on Jul 13, 2020 20:37:05 GMT -5
Here we only get $100-125/match vs. $360 for an all day (12 matches) play date. If you’re depending on making $5, 6, 700+ a weekend, then you’re working the club dates. It all depends on where you live and your financial situation. Like the rules, there are gray areas, not always in black & white. I assume you are not talking about college officials fees, because college officials are easily making 3 times that. DI matches, yes. I’m talking about DIII/NAIA/NJCAA/Men’s match fees.
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Post by n00b on Jul 13, 2020 21:39:03 GMT -5
Here we only get $100-125/match vs. $360 for an all day (12 matches) play date. If you’re depending on making $5, 6, 700+ a weekend, then you’re working the club dates. It all depends on where you live and your financial situation. Like the rules, there are gray areas, not always in black & white. I assume you are not talking about college officials fees, because college officials are easily making 3 times that. This is true for Power 5 R1s and R2s. The low end of D1 is probably around $200/match. But then you also need to hire line judges. They can definitely make more at a club tournament.
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Post by Not Me on Jul 13, 2020 22:06:18 GMT -5
Some d3 thoughts and with mvb wondered if all 4 teams play at once or split into two short seasons? If we all go conf only 1x through, that's roughly 9 matches but say we all have a 10 date schedule...would that be enough? Compared to 0 certainly. If all 4 are at the same time, do bball have same travel schedule and vb share dates? Always double headers and playing on same dates (would put 2 vb refs at 1 site for 2 matches). Then does each team get 2 other days on the court to practice to conserve on cleaning or do all 4 go 60-75/90 minutes each day? How about if bball plays 6 weeks, 1 or 2 weeks of prep (assuming fall practices) and 5 weeks of 2x a week games and then a playoff week into a 3 week NCAA tournament. Start Jan 4-16 practices, 5 weeks of games from Jan 18-Feb 20th, conf playoffs 22-28 and NCAA's March 1-20. VBs has been doing some early or Sunday workouts so 1 week to prep of March 1-7 (guess we don't have a spring break for players to leave and bring stuff back). Five weeks of matches are March 8-April 10/11th and playoffs April 12-18 with 2 weeks of NCAAs April 19-May 1/2 and minimal Graduation conflicts. I don’t see D2 or D3 moving their seasons to the spring. What is the incentive? They get to save money. And I imagine there will be a large number of kids who don’t even go back to school for the year due to the virus. They just take a gap year now.
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Post by vbnerd on Jul 13, 2020 23:41:45 GMT -5
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Post by tmb on Jul 14, 2020 4:07:48 GMT -5
I don’t see D2 or D3 moving their seasons to the spring. What is the incentive? They get to save money. And I imagine there will be a large number of kids who don’t even go back to school for the year due to the virus. They just take a gap year now. I don't think it would be about $ for those, but about safety for all in the fall. I still can't really wrap my head around the headlines/spin both directions that's going to occur as America moves across the country to get back to their colleges on Sept 1st and the #s we'll be dealing with two weeks later...
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Post by tmb on Jul 14, 2020 4:12:16 GMT -5
There are 75 colleges in New England and right now the NESCAC (11) and NEWMAC (5 of 11) along with Umass Boston have cancelled. All we're hearing about and drops but for now there are 6 conferences (CCC, GNAC, LEC, MASCAC, NAC, & NECC) and over 50 institutions still trying to have a fall season.
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Post by dgo on Jul 14, 2020 7:37:51 GMT -5
I'm not optimistic and am slowly coming to the realization that it's quite possible I watched my daughter's last volleyball game last fall and didn't know it at the time. I really hope I'm wrong.
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Post by Snoopy on Jul 14, 2020 8:10:03 GMT -5
I'm not optimistic and am slowly coming to the realization that it's quite possible I watched my daughter's last volleyball game last fall and didn't know it at the time. I really hope I'm wrong. Same... *sniff*
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Post by carmilla on Jul 14, 2020 9:34:15 GMT -5
I'm not optimistic and am slowly coming to the realization that it's quite possible I watched my daughter's last volleyball game last fall and didn't know it at the time. I really hope I'm wrong. I hate to ear that. Will it help you if the NCAA says you can have next year to play? how this works for small colleges. If there is no volleyball this year by next year that will be a long time since matches
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Post by dman on Jul 14, 2020 9:42:53 GMT -5
I'm not optimistic and am slowly coming to the realization that it's quite possible I watched my daughter's last volleyball game last fall and didn't know it at the time. I really hope I'm wrong. I hate to ear that. Will it help you if the NCAA says you can have next year to play? how this works for small colleges. If there is no volleyball this year by next year that will be a long time since matches Pretty confident if season was cancelled they will give an extra year of eligibility to everyone; they already set the precedent with the past Spring/Summer sports. If on scholarship, I'm guessing that will be a case by case basis of what is available at each institution. For the Seniors, some potentially difficult decisions to make.
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