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Post by skullied on Aug 1, 2020 20:04:02 GMT -5
On the contrary. I’ve heard that regardless if it’s fall or spring ball that’s played, the NCAA will push the now 10 match minimum to apply for spring 21 as well. Some volleyball may be better than no volleyball, but some teams/players will still need to weigh the pros and cons of having a shortened season (budget cuts, travel restrictions, etc) as well as players not wanting to use an entire year for potentially 10 matches plus 10% buffer. Maybe some players do and some don’t which could be a good or bad thing as well. It shall be interesting!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 20:29:57 GMT -5
Wisconsin Coach said on Tuesday that a good majority of coaches are pushing for the season to begin in the spring which I am also hoping for. I'm confident all of this will be way down come spring so we all waited a year for volleyball a couple more months won't hurt and we will get to have a full season which I'd rather have than a shortened season. Would really suck for seniors. VB coaches have less than no say in that decision. Trust me, Cook, Rose, Sheffield et al have been pushing for a spring season for weeks. Football is the issue - moving that to spring would be very extensive. Unless the NCAA decides to step up and move VB (and as yet, there's no indication that they will) this thing is going in fall, alongside football.
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Aug 1, 2020 21:13:46 GMT -5
Wisconsin Coach said on Tuesday that a good majority of coaches are pushing for the season to begin in the spring which I am also hoping for. I'm confident all of this will be way down come spring so we all waited a year for volleyball a couple more months won't hurt and we will get to have a full season which I'd rather have than a shortened season. Would really suck for seniors. VB coaches have less than no say in that decision. Trust me, Cook, Rose, Sheffield et al have been pushing for a spring season for weeks. Football is the issue - moving that to spring would be very extensive. Unless the NCAA decides to step up and move VB (and as yet, there's no indication that they will) this thing is going in fall, alongside football. So you don't think Football in Spring is a possibility? I don't think it would work because you would then have to move every fall sport if you move Football which is just to much going on at once. I'd rather them prioritize Football in the fall and move Volleyball and Soccer to the spring but nobody ever knows what the ncaa is thinking so I expect something to come out very soon since preseason is a week away and nobody has any plan put out yet. Texas doesn't even have a roster out so it would be best to just move to Spring but seems very unlikely.
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Post by Not Me on Aug 2, 2020 8:13:04 GMT -5
VB coaches have less than no say in that decision. Trust me, Cook, Rose, Sheffield et al have been pushing for a spring season for weeks. Football is the issue - moving that to spring would be very extensive. Unless the NCAA decides to step up and move VB (and as yet, there's no indication that they will) this thing is going in fall, alongside football. So you don't think Football in Spring is a possibility? I don't think it would work because you would then have to move every fall sport if you move Football which is just to much going on at once. I'd rather them prioritize Football in the fall and move Volleyball and Soccer to the spring but nobody ever knows what the ncaa is thinking so I expect something to come out very soon since preseason is a week away and nobody has any plan put out yet. Texas doesn't even have a roster out so it would be best to just move to Spring but seems very unlikely. They don’t want to move football to the spring because the top schools will lose dozens of players to the NFL. They won’t want to play at that point for fear of injury with the draft looming.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 9:27:27 GMT -5
Plus, depending what months we're talking here, northern teams would not be able to get the same number of home games in their outdoor stadiums.
Spring football is a big time loser for college football. They're going to attempt to have a fall season, and see how it goes. Might end up being a disaster, just hope no one gets seriously ill or worse.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 2, 2020 9:33:42 GMT -5
Plus, depending what months we're talking here, northern teams would not be able to get the same number of home games in their outdoor stadiums. Spring football is a big time loser for college football. They're going to attempt to have a fall season, and see how it goes. Might end up being a disaster, just hope no one gets seriously ill or worse. Whatever time of the year they can have the most fans is best for college football finances. That's the only thing that matters. IMHO, they're planning on mostly conference only fall seasons and treating spring as a true last resort. If I were in charge, I'd move the whole thing to spring and let the universities have to some to manage campus without the immediate pressure from athletics.
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 2, 2020 10:44:01 GMT -5
So you don't think Football in Spring is a possibility? I don't think it would work because you would then have to move every fall sport if you move Football which is just to much going on at once. I'd rather them prioritize Football in the fall and move Volleyball and Soccer to the spring but nobody ever knows what the ncaa is thinking so I expect something to come out very soon since preseason is a week away and nobody has any plan put out yet. Texas doesn't even have a roster out so it would be best to just move to Spring but seems very unlikely. They don’t want to move football to the spring because the top schools will lose dozens of players to the NFL. They won’t want to play at that point for fear of injury with the draft looming. Players have already started to peel away from a fall season so what's the difference? If 60 or so don't play this fall for the draft, or 100 don't play in the spring, when you've brought in a bunch of early hs grads, I'm not sure it makes a difference. And if there are "hundreds" that are going to boycott as part of this pac 12 revolt (and it wouldn't just be Pac 12 players) I'm not sure you can really say the product this fall will be noticeably better than it would be in the spring. The think they can get 10-11 games in this fall, and I think that has more to do with the desire for fall. I can see where playing that many football games in the spring prevents you from playing a full schedule in the fall when there might be fans. As much as you need income now, those fall 2021 games with fans are going to be valuable for a lot of reasons and you don't want this season to take away from next season. But it is unfortunate all of the olympic sports have to be held hostage in that effort.
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 4, 2020 12:30:49 GMT -5
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 5, 2020 11:41:59 GMT -5
www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/board-directs-each-division-safeguard-student-athlete-well-being-scholarships-and-eligibility"-If 50% or more of eligible teams in a particular sport in a division cancel their fall season, there will be no fall NCAA championship in that sport in that division. -If fall sports championships are postponed in any division, a decision to conduct that championship at a later date will be based upon the scientific data available at that time regarding COVID-19, along with other considerations." So that seems safe that D3 is canceled for the fall. 13 Conferences in D2 have canceled for the fall, so without counting teams it would seem there won't be a D2 tournament. D1 I'm counting about 1/4 have canceled at this point. AE, A10, Big West, Ivy, MAAC, MEAC, NEC, 7/9 Patriot, SWAC and most of the CAA, but not enough to tank the tournament.
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Post by n00b on Aug 5, 2020 12:19:18 GMT -5
www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/board-directs-each-division-safeguard-student-athlete-well-being-scholarships-and-eligibility"-If 50% or more of eligible teams in a particular sport in a division cancel their fall season, there will be no fall NCAA championship in that sport in that division. -If fall sports championships are postponed in any division, a decision to conduct that championship at a later date will be based upon the scientific data available at that time regarding COVID-19, along with other considerations." So that seems safe that D3 is canceled for the fall. 13 Conferences in D2 have canceled for the fall, so without counting teams it would seem there won't be a D2 tournament. D1 I'm counting about 1/4 have canceled at this point. AE, A10, Big West, Ivy, MAAC, MEAC, NEC, 7/9 Patriot, SWAC and most of the CAA, but not enough to tank the tournament. A quick count for D1: 7 - America East 10 - Atlantic 10* 11 - Big West 8 - Ivy 10 - MAAC 11 - MEAC 9 - NEC 7 - Patriot (Army, Navy) 10 - SWAC 5 - CAA (JMU, CofC, UNCW, and Elon seem to still be trying) ________ 88 out of 340 (I think?) = 25.9%
170 is the magic number.
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Post by caz on Aug 5, 2020 12:41:05 GMT -5
eligible is a key word, so it doesn't matter that UCSD and Merrimack, for example, have walked away - they don't count towards the 50 percent.
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 5, 2020 12:57:10 GMT -5
And is the D1 tournament multiplier still 6.5?
I think if the tournament format were settled today, there would be about 38-39 teams in.
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Post by n00b on Aug 5, 2020 12:57:40 GMT -5
eligible is a key word, so it doesn't matter that UCSD and Merrimack, for example, have walked away - they don't count towards the 50 percent. Good catch. I believe there are 7 reclassifying schools. So that should be 88/333 (26.4%) Magic number is now 167 to cancel. For reference, there are 130 FBS football programs. I believe two have cancelled volleyball (UConn and Hawaii who plays football in the Mountain West). I'm guessing those would be the last conferences to cancel (although I wouldn't be surprised to see schools like Army, Navy, and Liberty who are in different football conferences cancel volleyball). Then you'd only need about 5 other conferences to hang on.
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Post by volleav on Aug 5, 2020 13:05:42 GMT -5
Not a surprise with over 50% cancelled.
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Post by mikasaestucasa on Aug 5, 2020 13:09:28 GMT -5
Not a surprise with over 50% cancelled. Do we know the % for DII?
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