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D3 in 2021
Apr 24, 2021 22:50:00 GMT -5
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Post by d3gentleman on Apr 24, 2021 22:50:00 GMT -5
Springfield and New Paltz couldn't get by Wentworth and Vassar who were swept out of the tournament, but yeah not including them really made this an illegitimate tournament. What a joke. Calm down Carthage fan boy. This season was a doozy with all of the politics. You can’t actually compare any of these midwest teams to the northeast. New Paltz and Springfield barely played a complete schedule due to restrictions. Wait until next year if you want to have a fair comparison. Like I said congrats to Carthage and the Midwest teams for such a good outing but New Paltz lost to an unranked Hunter in 2019 before rolling through teams into a National Championship.
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Post by ramius on Apr 24, 2021 23:32:38 GMT -5
I think it’s best we don’t minimize the success of others to make ourselves feel better about not meeting our own expectations, and I’m a new paltz alumnus.
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Post by ramius on Apr 25, 2021 5:14:45 GMT -5
Congrats to Carthage* I guess? Hard to say they were the best team this year when two of the most talented (and highest ranked because of said talent) teams weren’t there. Not Carthage’s fault obviously but anyone who says it was the same without New Paltz and Springfield are delusional. Those two clearly had top tier rosters, but suffered from limited opportunities [and untimely cancellations...looking at you Lancaster Bib] to compete. Hopefully we’re past this stuff next year and truly the best teams will be competing at the end of April. Carthage Kitty finally has his day in the sun. I think it was very clear what you said and what your intent was. Many of the best teams did play and our Champion is Carthage, no asterisk. A Pride alumnus should know better.
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Post by gwvb12 on Apr 25, 2021 10:48:55 GMT -5
Springfield and New Paltz couldn't get by Wentworth and Vassar who were swept out of the tournament, but yeah not including them really made this an illegitimate tournament. What a joke. Calm down Carthage fan boy. This season was a doozy with all of the politics. You can’t actually compare any of these midwest teams to the northeast. New Paltz and Springfield barely played a complete schedule due to restrictions. Wait until next year if you want to have a fair comparison. Like I said congrats to Carthage and the Midwest teams for such a good outing but New Paltz lost to an unranked Hunter in 2019 before rolling through teams into a National Championship. "You can't actually compare any of these midwest teams to the northeast", as the Midwest goes 5-2 against the Northeast head to head in the tournament. Lol what a garbage take. Not a Carthage fan either, can't stand them actually. Every year when Springfield or the UVC schools get the at-larges all is well, but when someone else gets them the selection criteria is suddenly "politics". If we're going to make excuses let's make sure they're good ones.
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Post by d3gentleman on Apr 25, 2021 12:10:12 GMT -5
Calm down Carthage fan boy. This season was a doozy with all of the politics. You can’t actually compare any of these midwest teams to the northeast. New Paltz and Springfield barely played a complete schedule due to restrictions. Wait until next year if you want to have a fair comparison. Like I said congrats to Carthage and the Midwest teams for such a good outing but New Paltz lost to an unranked Hunter in 2019 before rolling through teams into a National Championship. "You can't actually compare any of these midwest teams to the northeast", as the Midwest goes 5-2 against the Northeast head to head in the tournament. Lol what a garbage take. Not a Carthage fan either, can't stand them actually. Every year when Springfield or the UVC schools get the at-larges all is well, but when someone else gets them the selection criteria is suddenly "politics". If we're going to make excuses let's make sure they're good ones. Not referring to the politics of the selection committee. Referring to the state laws and restrictions that made it hard for these Northeast teams to even get in the gym to play a full schedule. Once again not minimizing the seasons the midwest or Carthage had they clearly had lots of success. And when I said you can't compare I was talking about course of schedule and preparation for this years season, not ability or talent. Sorry if I didn't elaborate enough on that.
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Post by orangecurtain on Apr 25, 2021 13:52:47 GMT -5
What is your favorite moment of the tournament?
Mine was in the Vassar vs Dominican. In the second set, Andrew Kim who was left front on the play runs to pick up a tip behind the right side blocker. His momentum carries him off the court, then he flies back when Dominican sets their right side seeing that Andrew if out of play. Andrew flies back to left front and manages to get a touch on the block. The rally continues and he's part of the triple block and earns Vassar the point. After the point, the play is delayed while Andrew is bent over trying to catch his breath. He did this while he was wearing a mask during the match which was a condition for Vassar's administration to allow the team to play. His effort on this play was a great example of a player never giving up on a play.
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Post by futurelinejudge on Apr 25, 2021 15:44:33 GMT -5
What is your favorite moment of the tournament? Mine was in the Vassar vs Dominican. In the second set, Andrew Kim who was left front on the play runs to pick up a tip behind the right side blocker. His momentum carries him off the court, then he flies back when Dominican sets their right side seeing that Andrew if out of play. Andrew flies back to left front and manages to get a touch on the block. The rally continues and he's part of the triple block and earns Vassar the point. After the point, the play is delayed while Andrew is bent over trying to catch his breath. He did this while he was wearing a mask during the match which was a condition for Vassar's administration to allow the team to play. His effort on this play was a great example of a player never giving up on a play. Vassar administration needs to take a chill pill. I didn't have a major issue with the NCAA mask rule during the regular season (every club and adult league in our area is already doing this). But every player was tested twice before leaving for VA, twice within 24 hours of arriving, and then every single day for the entire week. Absolutely no reason that they should have had to play in masks in Virginia other than to appease the "cancel all sports" crowd.
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Post by tooltheblock142421 on Apr 26, 2021 13:14:45 GMT -5
What is your favorite moment of the tournament? Mine was in the Vassar vs Dominican. In the second set, Andrew Kim who was left front on the play runs to pick up a tip behind the right side blocker. His momentum carries him off the court, then he flies back when Dominican sets their right side seeing that Andrew if out of play. Andrew flies back to left front and manages to get a touch on the block. The rally continues and he's part of the triple block and earns Vassar the point. After the point, the play is delayed while Andrew is bent over trying to catch his breath. He did this while he was wearing a mask during the match which was a condition for Vassar's administration to allow the team to play. His effort on this play was a great example of a player never giving up on a play. My favorite part was when they lost 3-0 to Dominican and only scored 18 points in the second set. I also liked the part where they got blocked 11 times and their former All-American hit -.103 with 11 attacking errors. That was pretty cool. I also enjoyed the part on VolleyTalk where the East Coast homers cited Vassar's lack of experience as the reason for the loss. This was the same exact Vassar team that beat New Paltz twice, once in the UVC Championship. That was nice too, as New Paltz is mostly the same team that won it all two years ago. Who were all 5th years. Another highlight was when Wentworth got absolutely bodied by Southern Virginia, 3-0. This was the same Wentworth team that beat "the best Springfield team assembled" in 4 sets. I also liked the part how it was 4 teams in the West Region making up all 4 teams in the Final 4. If you do the math, that means 0 teams from the East Region in the Final 4.
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Post by uvcalumn on Apr 26, 2021 14:31:07 GMT -5
here, have some more: ( NaCl NaCl NaCl )
I said that Vassar looked young in the loss, because they got flustered in serve receive and made a ton of service errors (the types of mistakes that a young team makes, no?). I also said Coach Gary deserved some criticism for not getting more out of his talent, especially vanBeveren, who was clearly less effective/visibly less comfortable on the RS than in the middle. Dominican mostly blocked well, were stable and consistent in SR, and i thought their setter did a really nice job. I think Dominican played much closer to their normal level than Vassar did (does experience matter there?).
Good for Southern Virginia! anyone who thinks the best Springfield team ever assembled isnt the 2010 team with AJ Nally, Alberto Bravo, Eric Shoemaker, Cal Polumbo, and freshman Greg Falcone/Mike Pelletier is forgetting their history.
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Post by orangecurtain on Apr 26, 2021 18:21:56 GMT -5
here, have some more: ( NaCl NaCl NaCl ) I said that Vassar looked young in the loss, because they got flustered in serve receive and made a ton of service errors (the types of mistakes that a young team makes, no?). I also said Coach Gary deserved some criticism for not getting more out of his talent, especially vanBeveren, who was clearly less effective/visibly less comfortable on the RS than in the middle. Dominican mostly blocked well, were stable and consistent in SR, and i thought their setter did a really nice job. I think Dominican played much closer to their normal level than Vassar did (does experience matter there?). Good for Southern Virginia! anyone who thinks the best Springfield team ever assembled isnt the 2010 team with AJ Nally, Alberto Bravo, Eric Shoemaker, Cal Polumbo, and freshman Greg Falcone/Mike Pelletier is forgetting their history. To say that Vassar looked young is fair. Duchemin was the only player with any prior championship experience. The sophomores only got one full season of experience (if you add last season and this season, that's about a full season). I don't blame coach Gary for moving van Beveren to RS. He didn't lose much by replacing van Beveren with Jones in the middle. Having two freshman setters and not settling on running a 5-1 or 6-2, using van Beveren at RS added flexibility and would impact the team more than if he played as an MB. As for van Beveren being less effective, he was the MVP of the UVC tournament so he was productive coming into the tournament. Dominican's setter was impressive and Cebula was the x factor that made a difference. I think the Dominican's experience and the extra matches Dominican played provided them with a big advantage. Congratulations to Carthage for a well earned championship. Hopefully we won't be impacted by Covid next year and arguments over which team belongs in the tournament will be based on who the teams beat rather than who the teams didn't play.
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D3 in 2021
Apr 26, 2021 19:50:04 GMT -5
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Post by jackson5vb on Apr 26, 2021 19:50:04 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm if that was reignman on the stream?
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Post by orangecurtain on Apr 26, 2021 20:00:47 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm if that was reignman on the stream? Not sure if I understand your question. Usually when the stream starts the announcers identify themselves. Robert Wingert was the play by play announcer for the streams.
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Post by orangecurtain on Apr 27, 2021 14:48:44 GMT -5
The final polls are out:
Rank School (First-Place Votes) 1 Carthage (21) 315 2 Benedictine (IL)286 3 Dominican 271 4 South Virginia 240 5 Vassar 205 6 Springfield 178 7 SUNY New Paltz 175 8 Messiah 142 9 Wentworth 126 10 Endicott 108 11 Juniata 102 12 Lancaster Bible 86 13 St. John Fisher 78 14 Fontbonne 51 15 Kean 43
Others receiving votes and listed on two or more ballots: North Central (IL) 17; Stevenson-Men 14; New Jersey City 12; Hiram 11; Rutgers-Newark 11; Stevens 11
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Post by CityTechLegend on Apr 28, 2021 11:33:32 GMT -5
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Post by TheReignman on Apr 28, 2021 19:44:56 GMT -5
Some thoughts from the season. 1. How awesome was it to be the first Division III National Championship since December of 2019? While there were certainly some bumps in the road along the way, they were fairly minimal. Not a single positive test from Salem and we were able to have a full championship experience for the 12 teams. 2. Congratulations to Carthage. I watched as much (if not more) Division III Men's Volleyball matches than anyone this year. Carthage was the best team in the country without a doubt. They are more than deserving of their National Championship and there will be no historical footnote or asterisk accompanying it. 3. Thank you to the the folks in Salem. Eight weeks ago we didn't even know if we would be having a championship, let alone where it would be. They were unbelievable in terms of preparing everything in short amount of time and creating a top shelf experience for our student-athletes. Ask anyone who competed- this was an amazing set up and venue. 4. It's been amazing to see the talent of Division III men's volleyball spread around the country to different schools, conferences, and regions- all without diluting the product. Young programs, ones with storied histories, multiple NCAA appearances, and first timers- most programs have "A DUDE" who belongs on that national stage and can make plays. 5. 2022- what treat this season is going to be. With the amount of 5th/6th year seniors we have returning, NYU-MIT-Rivier and more coming back, and the increase in athleticism for all athletes and programs- we could be looking at one of the all time seasons for Division III Men's Volleyball.
It was great to have some time away from Volleytalk this season. To be honest, it was great for my mental health. I came back (albeit infrequently) to check the thread from time to time. For those who had nice things to say, thank you. For the few who will continue to troll and berate me, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you have nothing better going on than to come on and say the things that you say. Sorry that you feel the need to tear others down instead of encouraging an open discourse. The week in Salem reminded me of how many wonderful and supportive people are in the volleyball community- so an even bigger thanks to those who made the time to connect in person (looking at you Vassar and Benedictine). I'm sure I will get some flack for this "holier than thou" post- but I don't care. Division III Men's Volleyball is a huge part of my life, and I am glad to be a part of it.
On to 2022.
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