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Post by newenglander on Jul 1, 2020 21:29:51 GMT -5
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Post by nakedcrayon on Jul 1, 2020 23:47:48 GMT -5
This makes no sense honestly. about 3/4 of the states use Sept 1 as the cutoff for school year
closer to 60 percent but 80 percent within 15 days either way of Sept 1
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Post by n00b on Jul 1, 2020 23:49:36 GMT -5
This makes no sense honestly. about 3/4 of the states use Sept 1 as the cutoff for school year What's the downside? It allows more kids to play with the grade they are in. I don't think we'll suddenly see a huge batch of kids wanting to 'play down' (high school juniors playing 16s). Is that the concern? |
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Post by nakedcrayon on Jul 2, 2020 0:35:54 GMT -5
Wont those both in July and August (1/6th of the roster so to speak) being playing up with a grade higher then they are in ?
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Post by n00b on Jul 2, 2020 0:44:52 GMT -5
Wont those both in July and August (1/6th of the roster so to speak) being playing up with a grade higher then they are in ? Previously, those born in July and August, if they were 'old' for their grade, they were forced to play up and age group. So old sophomores had to play 17s. Now, those kids can plays 16s with the rest of the sophomores. And the kids born in July and August who are 'young' for their grade are still able to to play with their corresponding grade. They can now play down an age group if the choose (e.g. a junior playing 16s), but that would be their choice. |
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Post by hac on Jul 2, 2020 1:01:04 GMT -5
This is not true to the actual age groups they are participating at competitions during July and August. They will actually exceed their age during the summer months. A majority of the states utilize Sep 1 as a traditional school start year and for those with intent who keep their children back a year will be rewarded (most likely a few mid-western states), who probably complained the most. There are states where the September and October athletes can also play down a division, which is still okay, because these are age group divisions, not grade divisions.
When athletes enter FIVB or ISF competitions, athletes are only identified by age eligibility with no grade considerations.
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Post by silverchloride on Jul 2, 2020 1:39:33 GMT -5
Interesting,thanks for sharing =)
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Post by vbfamily on Jul 2, 2020 2:00:28 GMT -5
I really like this change, our club has had several of the August birthdays over the years needing to play "up" a grade. Few kids have ever chosen to play down on the team below their grade, although there are some exceptions (much better younger team or opportunity). Kids that have a desire to be seen by college coaches are also usually better off playing with their class unless they are playing up on a nationally recognized team.
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Post by jackson5vb on Jul 2, 2020 5:33:55 GMT -5
Another short sighted usa volleyball decision. If it's really about grade then make it a grade division and not an age division. This puts younger players just starting off in 12's or 13's at a disadvantage as older players from the grade above can now take the roster slots. Clubs are going to do what they can do to win more, so it's going to start with their 17's and trickle down into their younger ages. The impact of this decision won't be felt until a few years from now.
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Jul 2, 2020 8:14:53 GMT -5
I think it will be really interesting what clubs might try to do with this change. My kid has a 8/29 birthday so has always been the youngest by far on her team, but she is in the same grade as the rest. She'll be a freshman on varsity this fall, but her current club could potentially want her to play 14s with mostly 8th graders again to stack a better team. It will really give the "younger" players and their clubs options. If you had a July/August athlete that was thriving in the current age group, you could obviously let them play up a year, if not two, then duplicate a year down the road. If the younger athlete would benefit from being the oldest in their age group ( say an OH that came off the bench), you could let the athlete duplicate the age, build skill set and confidence and of course build better quality teams. I think this will also depend on position. I would think OH/ Liberos /Middles would benefit from duplicating their age grid. It would give them the opportunity to play at the top of their maturity scale vs. trying to compete with kids almost a year older than they currently are. Setters may benefit immesley by playing up as the speed of the game will increase. The OH/ Middles/ RS will be faster stronger and more experienced. They would get a ton of reps at a faster pace preparing them for the future. Of course all of this would be predicated on skill set and vary by club and there will always be tons of exceptions. |
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Jul 2, 2020 8:16:57 GMT -5
Personally, I just think it should always allow people to play with the age of their respective grade unless they want to play up. I feel bad for the girls who are separated from the rest of their class just because their date of birth. What irritates me is those who have a flexible birthday playing down if they’re older.
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Post by utoolity on Jul 2, 2020 8:23:43 GMT -5
Age grouping by year every year is part of the reason the transfer rate is higher in college in my opinion. The immediate struggle to play against older better kids is not something their conditioned for.
USAV is about opportunity to play, making money, and identifying kids for the pipeline.
College and pro ball exposes the lack of competition through age grouping.
USAV should want kids to play up often and so should the clubs. It’ll breed tougher kids and parents.
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Post by sonofdogman on Jul 2, 2020 8:33:28 GMT -5
What position is an OS? Outside setter? Opposite setter? Confused...
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Jul 2, 2020 8:54:41 GMT -5
What position is an OS? Outside setter? Opposite setter? Confused... Still early and need my coffee... OS=OH Wow, have no idea where that came from..edited to fix. lol |
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Post by newenglander on Jul 2, 2020 9:36:43 GMT -5
I don't understand any pushback on this... except if you are only looking at the super elite players/clubs and your thinking that there are a bunch of july/august birthday studs that can't wait to play down. If the USAV mission was solely to stock the national team pipeline they might do differently, but their job is to promote and grow the sport of volleyball. I have the stats on this and have usually about 1% of our girls (and about 3% of boys) used to be required to play outside their grade. By the time they are juniors then it doesn't matter much but playing with kids a grade older isn't the right thing for most of them when they are younger. A fair percentage of these average and beginner level players don't have a good club experience for these reasons.
Certainly there are clubs that will take advantage and push some kids to play "down" so they can have sophomores beating up on freshmen. Congrats to them, have as many medals as you want to make yourself feel better. This will benefit the lower level players more.
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