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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Jul 9, 2020 17:51:39 GMT -5
You could do this in a tournament format, where 5 teams meet up at one campus on a weekend, and play the other four teams in a round robin format.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 17:53:04 GMT -5
Any ranking that has Samford ahead of Stanford is OK by me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 17:54:50 GMT -5
Speaking of Debbie Downer, I can't help but think this is just the first step toward cancelling the entire thing. Probably true. However, this has oddly made me slightly more optimistic (Though still heavily a pessimist) about getting a season this year. I was expecting an outright cancelation from the start. But, they're going to at least try. Or, hold out hope as long as they can.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 9, 2020 18:11:59 GMT -5
I’ll be interested in seeing if the conference schedules additional games to replace the lost non-con’s (For both football & volleyball). This will save $ for BIG schools that routinely pay to get non-conference opponents to play them. Northwestern Football announced the cancellation of their football game against the Badgers @ Wrigley Field.... likely to be relocated back to Ryan Field. Yep. Money played a big role in this decision. Ohio State paying Bowling Green to get slaughtered at Buckeye Stadium is great for ticket sales (they’ll always sell out) but is bad for TV revenue because nobody other than diehard OSU fans will watch. This fall, ticket sales won’t exist and all that matters is the TV product (and the ratings will be MASSIVE). Going conference-only is better financially for them. That . . . is not how TV contracts work. Ohio State either gets paid separately for non-conference games (unlikely) or their entire TV schedules rolled into the BTN/CBS/ESPN/FOX contracts (most likely). Everything is almost certainly just rolled into the disbursement from the conference every year. All the football conferences are desperate to get some sort of revenue out of this season and that means making sure they can play *some* games (in front of fans if at all possible). Hence why the non-conference season is the first to go. But I would agree those guarantee games don't make sense if they can't sell tickets.
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Post by n00b on Jul 9, 2020 18:18:44 GMT -5
Yep. Money played a big role in this decision. Ohio State paying Bowling Green to get slaughtered at Buckeye Stadium is great for ticket sales (they’ll always sell out) but is bad for TV revenue because nobody other than diehard OSU fans will watch. This fall, ticket sales won’t exist and all that matters is the TV product (and the ratings will be MASSIVE). Going conference-only is better financially for them. That . . . is not how TV contracts work. How exactly DO TV contracts work in a COVID world? The Big Ten is going to have 70 conference games instead of the previous 56. Ohio St vs Bowling Green might be replaced by Ohio St vs Purdue. The expected supply is changing drastically. I’m guessing at some level, ESPN gets to pick games that they want to air on ABC, while others get relegated to ESPNNEWS. And all of that is extremely fluid. You don’t think there will be any positive financial impact from a game moving from the small network to the flagship? Not to mention the games that DONT get picked up by FOX/ESPN and stay on BTN will be projected to get higher ratings and ad revenue will go up. Am I way off base about this?
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Post by n00b on Jul 9, 2020 18:23:58 GMT -5
Yep. Money played a big role in this decision. Ohio State paying Bowling Green to get slaughtered at Buckeye Stadium is great for ticket sales (they’ll always sell out) but is bad for TV revenue because nobody other than diehard OSU fans will watch. This fall, ticket sales won’t exist and all that matters is the TV product (and the ratings will be MASSIVE). Going conference-only is better financially for them. That . . . is not how TV contracts work. Ohio State either gets paid separately for non-conference games (unlikely) or their entire TV schedules rolled into the BTN/CBS/ESPN/FOX contracts (most likely). Everything is almost certainly just rolled into the disbursement from the conference every year. All the football conferences are desperate to get some sort of revenue out of this season and that means making sure they can play *some* games (in front of fans if at all possible). Hence why the non-conference season is the first to go. Ok. You added more after your original reply. I believe (and I’m more familiar with basketball, but I think it’d be the same) that the Big Ten allows FOX and ESPN (I don’t think they have games on CBS or NBC) to pick games to air on their networks. Presumably, those companies pay a premium for those games. Then whatever is left (those networks don’t find valuable enough to pay for) get left for BTN or possibly even local TV. Now, I’m sure there is a standard ‘$50 mil for 20 games’ type of arrangement with each network. But if ESPN or FOX wants to pay for more, I can’t imagine the Big Ten saying no to keep it on BTN.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 9, 2020 18:23:59 GMT -5
I don't know what the big ten contract looks like. I imagine it's some combination of a base guarantee plus revenue sharing. Have to imagine the networks pay a certain amount for the rights and then add in some percentage of revenue above that.
I will say that advertising revenues are almost certainly going to drop in the next year, so it may be hard for the networks to meet projected payouts, even if they have more "good" games to broadcast.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 9, 2020 18:25:47 GMT -5
I will say that I think the big ten is completely full of it. I don't think college football is getting played in 2020.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 9, 2020 18:26:17 GMT -5
That . . . is not how TV contracts work. How exactly DO TV contracts work in a COVID world? The Big Ten is going to have 70 conference games instead of the previous 56. Ohio St vs Bowling Green might be replaced by Ohio St vs Purdue. The expected supply is changing drastically. I’m guessing at some level, ESPN gets to pick games that they want to air on ABC, while others get relegated to ESPNNEWS. And all of that is extremely fluid. You don’t think there will be any positive financial impact from a game moving from the small network to the flagship? Not to mention the games that DONT get picked up by FOX/ESPN and stay on BTN will be projected to get higher ratings and ad revenue will go up. Am I way off base about this? There are actually fewer games. BTN has rights to all Big Ten home games (incl. non-conference)... and most P5 teams play mostly home games OOC. You're basically cutting the number of those games in half if you convert them to conference only (that's assuming they add conference games to the schedule...)
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Post by n00b on Jul 9, 2020 18:27:14 GMT -5
I don't know what the big ten contract looks like. I imagine it's some combination of a base guarantee plus revenue sharing. Have to imagine the networks pay a certain amount for the rights and then add in some percentage of revenue above that. I will say that advertising revenues are almost certainly going to drop in the next year, so it may be hard for the networks to meet projected payouts, even if they have more "good" games to broadcast. Companies will certainly have less money to spend on advertising. But you have to think ratings for televised sports are going to be absolutely off the charts. so it’ll be interesting to see which one of those opposing forces wins out.
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Post by n00b on Jul 9, 2020 18:30:37 GMT -5
How exactly DO TV contracts work in a COVID world? The Big Ten is going to have 70 conference games instead of the previous 56. Ohio St vs Bowling Green might be replaced by Ohio St vs Purdue. The expected supply is changing drastically. I’m guessing at some level, ESPN gets to pick games that they want to air on ABC, while others get relegated to ESPNNEWS. And all of that is extremely fluid. You don’t think there will be any positive financial impact from a game moving from the small network to the flagship? Not to mention the games that DONT get picked up by FOX/ESPN and stay on BTN will be projected to get higher ratings and ad revenue will go up. Am I way off base about this? There are actually fewer games. BTN has rights to all Big Ten home games (incl. non-conference)... and most P5 teams play mostly home games OOC. You're basically cutting the number of those games in half if you convert them to conference only (that's assuming they add conference games to the schedule...) Yeah, my assumption (based on absolutely nothing) was a 10-game, conference only schedule. So that’s 70 games. Compared to the previous 8 conference plus 3 OOC home games would be 98. But many of those OOC games are against the Little Sisters of the Poor and nobody watches anyway.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 9, 2020 18:33:39 GMT -5
There are actually fewer games. BTN has rights to all Big Ten home games (incl. non-conference)... and most P5 teams play mostly home games OOC. You're basically cutting the number of those games in half if you convert them to conference only (that's assuming they add conference games to the schedule...) Yeah, my assumption (based on absolutely nothing) was a 10-game, conference only schedule. So that’s 70 games. Compared to the previous 8 conference plus 3 OOC home games would be 98. But many of those OOC games are against the Little Sisters of the Poor and nobody watches anyway. I mean, are that many more people going to tune into Rutgers, Maryland, Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana football?
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Post by n00b on Jul 9, 2020 18:34:47 GMT -5
Yeah, my assumption (based on absolutely nothing) was a 10-game, conference only schedule. So that’s 70 games. Compared to the previous 8 conference plus 3 OOC home games would be 98. But many of those OOC games are against the Little Sisters of the Poor and nobody watches anyway. I mean, are that many more people going to tune into Rutgers, Maryland, Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana football? Certainly more than Bowling Green. But this is very true.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 9, 2020 18:36:26 GMT -5
A head coach contacted me to see what would happen to the RKPI from last season if you only counted conference matches. The results were pathetic. If you dropped all non-conference matches last season, these would have been the rankings going into the tournament selection process. The system (that is kind of broken anyway) would completely break without the non-conference schedule. That's the only source of objective information for cross-ranking teams from different conferences. (Pablo wouldn't work either.) What you probably do is either just drop at-larges entirely and have the tournament be a contest of conference champions, or else use information from previous years (even though, for instance, the Stanford players that won the title last year have mostly graduated). Another idea would be to drop all conference tournaments and have one weekend of (16) 16-team geographic regionals, and then one weekend of 16 final teams. That would let 256 teams into the tournament.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 18:41:24 GMT -5
Yeah, my assumption (based on absolutely nothing) was a 10-game, conference only schedule. So that’s 70 games. Compared to the previous 8 conference plus 3 OOC home games would be 98. But many of those OOC games are against the Little Sisters of the Poor and nobody watches anyway. I mean, are that many more people going to tune into Rutgers, Maryland, Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana football? People turned out in record numbers to see Roger Goodell basically sitting in his basement smoking a pipe in his leather chair with his rich mahogany decor to call out names. Yeah, we will watch Rutgers play Indiana in football because we have to.
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