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Post by guest2 on Jul 26, 2020 17:52:26 GMT -5
Wow. Dalcena played some next level beach volleyball in the finals today. Never seen them play this well. Everything was working for them. Phil blocking. Phil serving. Nick digging balls and siding out at a high rate. Anyways, this is PHIL’S 100TH TOURNAMENT WIN. 5th man to hit triple digits. 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 http://instagr.am/p/CDHxzV5FVHK They played great, looked like 2015 all over again. This is not Phil's 100th win, I am not sure who decided NORCECA counts, but its nonsense and it doesn't. He has 99. Also Kevin Barnett at his absolute peak douchiness when he dismissed the World Series of Beach Volleyball in the same conversation where he blindly accepted a NORCECA as a real win.
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Post by tamz on Jul 26, 2020 17:56:51 GMT -5
Wow. Dalcena played some next level beach volleyball in the finals today. Never seen them play this well. Everything was working for them. Phil blocking. Phil serving. Nick digging balls and siding out at a high rate. Anyways, this is PHIL’S 100TH TOURNAMENT WIN. 5th man to hit triple digits. 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 http://instagr.am/p/CDHxzV5FVHK They played great, looked like 2015 all over again. This is not Phil's 100th win, I am not sure who decided NORCECA counts, but its nonsense and it doesn't. He has 99. Also Kevin Barnett at his absolute peak douchiness when he dismissed the World Series of Beach Volleyball in the same conversation where he blindly accepted a NORCECA as a real win. Well, the NORCECA that they won was pretty stacked for a NORCECA event. www.bvbinfo.com/Tournament.asp?ID=3082Dain Blanton thought the “other” event won was a Venice Beach backyard tournament 😂
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Post by tamz on Jul 26, 2020 17:58:20 GMT -5
Top 6 teams in the MD remain in the MD next week at the Porsche Cup.
Ricardo/Miles and Loomis/Partain back in the Q.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 26, 2020 18:01:43 GMT -5
They played great, looked like 2015 all over again. This is not Phil's 100th win, I am not sure who decided NORCECA counts, but its nonsense and it doesn't. He has 99. Also Kevin Barnett at his absolute peak douchiness when he dismissed the World Series of Beach Volleyball in the same conversation where he blindly accepted a NORCECA as a real win. Well, the NORCECA that they won was pretty stacked for a NORCECA event. www.bvbinfo.com/Tournament.asp?ID=3082Dain Blanton thought the “other” event won was a Venice Beach backyard tournament 😂 That NORCECA was just as good as his NVL win!
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Post by guest2 on Jul 26, 2020 18:03:55 GMT -5
They played great, looked like 2015 all over again. This is not Phil's 100th win, I am not sure who decided NORCECA counts, but its nonsense and it doesn't. He has 99. Also Kevin Barnett at his absolute peak douchiness when he dismissed the World Series of Beach Volleyball in the same conversation where he blindly accepted a NORCECA as a real win. Well, the NORCECA that they won was pretty stacked for a NORCECA event. www.bvbinfo.com/Tournament.asp?ID=3082Dain Blanton thought the “other” event won was a Venice Beach backyard tournament 😂 That Venice backyard event used to be awesome. There was a long Volleyball magazine article about it a long time ago It was a relatively strong NORCECA but there are 2-3 amateur events a year in Florida with better fields. Plus I refuse to live in a world where Avery Drost is considered as having a real victory.
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Post by sonofdogman on Jul 26, 2020 18:09:01 GMT -5
I thought I saw a few weeks back it said that Phil would need to win all three cups to get to 100. Then in the preview articles in the week before, I saw it written that he needed to win two of the three to get to 100. Obviously there is some argument as to what counts as pro wins.
I think the change over the last few years on the world tour to the 1-5 star model complicates things too. If a 1-star counts as a pro win, the NORCECA's probably should too.
I agree that there is reason to think about those wins differently, but we on Volleytalk aren't the ultimate arbiters of this.
bvbinfo is such an awesome reference and has been so valuable to the beach community and the game's history, that I'm just going to go with what they have. And they have Phil at 100 with today's win.
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Post by tamz on Jul 26, 2020 18:16:11 GMT -5
Well, the NORCECA that they won was pretty stacked for a NORCECA event. www.bvbinfo.com/Tournament.asp?ID=3082Dain Blanton thought the “other” event won was a Venice Beach backyard tournament 😂 That Venice backyard event used to be awesome. There was a long Volleyball magazine article about it a long time ago It was a relatively strong NORCECA but there are 2-3 amateur events a year in Florida with better fields. Plus I refuse to live in a world where Avery Drost is considered as having a real victory. I didn’t know it existed. I thought Dain just made something up on the spot 😂
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Post by guest2 on Jul 26, 2020 18:19:36 GMT -5
I thought I saw a few weeks back it said that Phil would need to win all three cups to get to 100. Then in the preview articles in the week before, I saw it written that he needed to win two of the three to get to 100. Obviously there is some argument as to what counts as pro wins. I think the change over the last few years on the world tour to the 1-5 star model complicates things too. If a 1-star counts as a pro win, the NORCECA's probably should too. I agree that there is reason to think about those wins differently, but we on Volleytalk aren't the ultimate arbiters of this. bvbinfo is such an awesome reference and has been so valuable to the beach community and the game's history, that I'm just going to go with what they have. And they have Phil at 100 with today's win. BVBinfo is an incredibly valuable resource, the best BVB site without a doubt, but to count everything it does as a win is ridiculous. By doing that Avery Drost not only has 1 win, he has 2, because he won a 1 star event as well. I dont think any serious person who understands BVB would advocate counting 1 and 2 stars as real wins. For me, Id draw the line at a 3 star and above for international and AVP domestically. 3 stars generally have fields comparable to most AVPs. 1 and 2 stars and NORCECAs don't. Sometimes a NORCECA will have a really strong field, but in general they are a substantial step below AVP or a 3 star
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Post by guest2 on Jul 26, 2020 18:24:32 GMT -5
That Venice backyard event used to be awesome. There was a long Volleyball magazine article about it a long time ago It was a relatively strong NORCECA but there are 2-3 amateur events a year in Florida with better fields. Plus I refuse to live in a world where Avery Drost is considered as having a real victory. I didn’t know it existed. I thought Dain just made something up on the spot 😂 It was called the Venic Backyard Championships. I dont know if it still exists but here is an old LATimes article: www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-08-31-we-1875-story.htmlI know in the beginning it was a smaller than normal court so a lot of teams played coed style. Dave Swatik won it one year I believe. I couldnt find the VBmag article (and the LAtimes one wouldnt show for me because Ive used up my free ones) Not quite at the level of an Estero or Motherlode but one of the more interesting and semi-legendary semi-pro events out there i think
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Post by ajm on Jul 26, 2020 20:33:55 GMT -5
I’m fine giving Phil credit for a minor event win if it gets him to 100 given that he didn’t play in an era where there are 25 AVPs every year.
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Post by tinman2 on Jul 26, 2020 22:54:23 GMT -5
Well, the NORCECA that they won was pretty stacked for a NORCECA event. www.bvbinfo.com/Tournament.asp?ID=3082Dain Blanton thought the “other” event won was a Venice Beach backyard tournament 😂 That Venice backyard event used to be awesome. There was a long Volleyball magazine article about it a long time ago It was a relatively strong NORCECA but there are 2-3 amateur events a year in Florida with better fields. Plus I refuse to live in a world where Avery Drost is considered as having a real victory. The NORCECA even probably had better teams than a LOT of AVP tourneys and very comparable to the competition in the MD this weekend. Also, don't forget Ty Loomis has won two AVPs that weren't as hard as that NORCECA.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 26, 2020 23:30:25 GMT -5
I’m fine giving Phil credit for a minor event win if it gets him to 100 given that he didn’t play in an era where there are 25 AVPs every year. Its an interesting point, and one you hear a lot, but I think in terms of comparison not really a valid one anymore. According to BVBinfo Phil has played: 146 US events 124 FIVBs Thats 270 events. BVB info has Sean Rosenthal with the 10th most events ever at 296. Phil also missed a good number of AVP and FIVBs over the years due to injury or rest. From 2011-2020 only counting AVP and FIVB, Jake has played 20 more events than Phil. I think its fair to say with better injury luck and if it were one of his goals, Phil could easily have played 300 events. For comparison Kent Steffes played 233 events. Jose Loiola played 277. Adam Johnson played 256. As an illustration, Jake Gibb has played 21 more events in his career than Tim Hovland (and Todd played more than both) I would also dispute the idea that Phil hasn't had plenty of chances to win. The AVPs he won almost never had more than 3 or 4 of the top 10 teams in the world and many had no top 5 teams - other than Phil himself. The AVP era Phil played in was maybe the weakest it ever was, with the exception of a few years post-Steffes and Loiola and pre-Phil/Todd. Contrast that with a player like Steffes or Rego who both won almost all of their events against fields that included the 10 best teams in the world. Either way Phil is going to get to 100 wins fairly either next week or next year and if he chooses to keep playing he will probably end up in the top 10 all time for tournaments played.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 26, 2020 23:42:22 GMT -5
That Venice backyard event used to be awesome. There was a long Volleyball magazine article about it a long time ago It was a relatively strong NORCECA but there are 2-3 amateur events a year in Florida with better fields. Plus I refuse to live in a world where Avery Drost is considered as having a real victory. The NORCECA even probably had better teams than a LOT of AVP tourneys and very comparable to the competition in the MD this weekend. Also, don't forget Ty Loomis has won two AVPs that weren't as hard as that NORCECA. Ty's second AVP definitely. His first, Im not so sure, but I think to judge what counts as a win, you have to look at the general strength of the tour - in cases like NORCECA or the AVP - or the general strength of the classification - for FIVB events If you pick and choose on each individual event then you end up counting that one year at the Motherlode when Casey/Rosie won and there were maybe a dozen AVP regulars or the Big Shots some of the years they had 4-5 AVP teams and most of the Canadian teams. You could probably find half a dozen amateur events that had better fields than the AVP Madison/Loomis won over the last ten years, but determining which events will count on an individual basis is too difficult.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 27, 2020 7:49:18 GMT -5
I feel like Casey and Theo are going to snipe one of the top 3 teams in week 3.
Theo has come to play for these!
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Post by tamz on Jul 27, 2020 8:17:48 GMT -5
I feel like Casey and Theo are going to snipe one of the top 3 teams in week 3. Theo has come to play for these! Right now 1, 2, and 3 are Dalcena, Cribb, and T2. I think 3rd is up for grabs though!
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