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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 10:12:05 GMT -5
Ahh, but what if Nebraska was to play...and did so with virtually no issues?? Would there be backlash to the conference that a season could have taken place? Just a thought... The SEC & ACC will be playing to a captive college football audience, raking in huge TV $$$ and playing in all the Bowl games that are held.....That backlash is coming and It will be fierce! I would still bet against even the SEC ultimately playing this year. All of this discussion may end up being moot. I think the ACC, SEC and Big 12 are still just kicking the can down the road at this point and are not at all confident in being able to play.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 12, 2020 10:12:48 GMT -5
Does anyone think the B1G would worry for even a second if Nebraska left the conference over this? Yes, of course. Let's not pretend Nebraska adds no value to the conference. Oh, sure, Nebraska adds value. So does Rutgers. I think there'd be a line around the block to take their place if they left, though. All I'm saying is that Nebraska has little to no leverage here.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 12, 2020 10:13:15 GMT -5
Does anyone think the B1G would worry for even a second if Nebraska left the conference over this? What does Nebraska add to the B1G? The media market is not worth anything. The main thing Nebraska brought was a national football brand, and Nebraska decidedly has not delivered on that since joining.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 12, 2020 10:17:23 GMT -5
Honest question - how does a major conference office work and what is its authority? I think most people believe the conference is somehow "above" the member schools -- the Big Ten Conference executives and administration are the "parent" of 14 university children. But, isn't it really flipped - the conference is the child of a 14-parent polygamous marriage - and those parents can set the level of authority their child will have in their affairs. I guess what I'm saying - this can't simply be the Big 10 commish acting unilaterally. Some university presidents and/or athletic directors must want member schools to be prevented from playing if other schools aren't playing. University presidents voted in favor of shutting it down. Iowa and Nebraska were the two dissenters. The voted in favor of officially shutting it down and not holding a fall season, but was "independent play" - Big Ten teams playing regardless, on their own terms - considered in that vote?
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Post by knapplc on Aug 12, 2020 10:20:02 GMT -5
Yes, of course. Let's not pretend Nebraska adds no value to the conference. Oh, sure, Nebraska adds value. So does Rutgers. I think there'd be a line around the block to take their place if they left, though. All I'm saying is that Nebraska has little to no leverage here. Renegotiating those TV contracts in the next few years will be better with Nebraska than without. Rutgers isn't pulling in the eyeballs Nebraska is, let's not fool ourselves.
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Post by nothingbutcorn on Aug 12, 2020 10:22:23 GMT -5
If the SEC, ACC, and Big12 play and nothing comes from it. How will the B1G and PAC look then? I heard yesterday that it is full steam ahead for both the SEC, and ACC. Football anyway.
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Post by northwoods on Aug 12, 2020 10:23:18 GMT -5
The SEC & ACC will be playing to a captive college football audience, raking in huge TV $$$ and playing in all the Bowl games that are held.....That backlash is coming and It will be fierce! They'll be making the same money whether other conferences play or not. Those TV contracts are already signed. They don't get more money if there's more viewers. That is correct to a point, and the SEC/ACC TV $$$ is huge. The issue is since you don’t play you get Zero $.... BTN gets Zero $$ from networks to option BIG games to them, Schools get Zero $$ from BTN (like $50mil each last year) all while the SEC/ACC get everything they would have gotten Plus every TV slot BIG games would have had. The football recruiting field will never be level again and the SEC/ACC can continue the facilities arms race in all sports to their hearts content. Sadly for the BIG, the only thing that can pull them out of the fire, is if there are significant illnesses and deaths among active SEC/ACC athletes.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 12, 2020 10:24:04 GMT -5
Does anyone think the B1G would worry for even a second if Nebraska left the conference over this? What does Nebraska add to the B1G? The media market is not worth anything. The main thing Nebraska brought was a national football brand, and Nebraska decidedly has not delivered on that since joining. But having a solid "brand" isn't the same as having great results. Nebraska is a legacy program and major brand even if its results have been lackluster compared to their heyday. Still no pro sports in NE, so while the media market is comparatively small, it can generate some decent numbers. And, they'll often fill the stadium even if their team isn't that great.
I really didn't care if NE was a member or not - but I understand why the Big Ten did it once Mizzou went to the SEC.
While I'm sure it's not a consideration, it sure added to Big Ten volleyball.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 12, 2020 10:25:22 GMT -5
Oh, sure, Nebraska adds value. So does Rutgers. I think there'd be a line around the block to take their place if they left, though. All I'm saying is that Nebraska has little to no leverage here. Renegotiating those TV contracts in the next few years will be better with Nebraska than without. Rutgers isn't pulling in the eyeballs Nebraska is, let's not fool ourselves. Rutgers puts BTN onto NY/NJ cable packages. That's their value, regardless of whether people watch or not.
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Post by knapplc on Aug 12, 2020 10:27:20 GMT -5
Does anyone think the B1G would worry for even a second if Nebraska left the conference over this? What does Nebraska add to the B1G? The media market is not worth anything. The main thing Nebraska brought was a national football brand, and Nebraska decidedly has not delivered on that since joining. Nebraska has the most passionate fan base outside of the SEC, and rivals even some of those programs. We haven't been winning on the field, but don't confuse that with viewership. The main thing Nebraska has provided lately is massive turnout in member stadiums (we travel very well) and TV ratings. People equate value with winning. That's not true with Nebraska.
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Post by knapplc on Aug 12, 2020 10:28:23 GMT -5
Renegotiating those TV contracts in the next few years will be better with Nebraska than without. Rutgers isn't pulling in the eyeballs Nebraska is, let's not fool ourselves. Rutgers puts BTN onto NY/NJ cable packages. That's their value, regardless of whether people watch or not. Nebraska puts BTN into the rest of the nation. The two are not equal. You may not believe that, but the Big Ten knows it, and thus knows Nebraska's value.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 12, 2020 10:29:32 GMT -5
The SEC & ACC will be playing to a captive college football audience, raking in huge TV $$$ and playing in all the Bowl games that are held.....That backlash is coming and It will be fierce! I would still bet against even the SEC ultimately playing this year. All of this discussion may end up being moot. I think the ACC, SEC and Big 12 are still just kicking the can down the road at this point and are not at all confident in being able to play. I agree with this. I think they are hesitating because they are getting such blowback, but they will give in eventually. One thing to consider -- the vast majority of the players are African American, and COVID has hit that segment of the population particularly hard - with the disparity getting larger in younger groups, apparently. No one is sure why yet, but, if it is not a risk to the players themselves, it is a risk to their families and friends and to the larger community. And we're not going to be able to pull off bubbles in college football.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 12, 2020 10:33:09 GMT -5
Rutgers puts BTN onto NY/NJ cable packages. That's their value, regardless of whether people watch or not. Nebraska puts BTN into the rest of the nation. The two are not equal. You may not believe that, but the Big Ten knows it, and thus knows Nebraska's value. When Nebraska's value is not as big as Nebraska thinks it is, that is when there will be a split. It sounds like they are very close at the moment.
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Post by knapplc on Aug 12, 2020 10:35:00 GMT -5
Nebraska puts BTN into the rest of the nation. The two are not equal. You may not believe that, but the Big Ten knows it, and thus knows Nebraska's value. When Nebraska's value is not as big as Nebraska thinks it is, that is when there will be a split. It sounds like they are very close at the moment. Nebraska knows, maybe better than at any time in the last 20 years, exactly where it stands.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 12, 2020 10:37:29 GMT -5
Rutgers puts BTN onto NY/NJ cable packages. That's their value, regardless of whether people watch or not. Nebraska puts BTN into the rest of the nation. The two are not equal. You may not believe that, but the Big Ten knows it, and thus knows Nebraska's value. That's . . . not true? Look, I think it was smart to add Nebraska *and* Rutgers (lol) when they did. The last realignment necessitated every league taking an aggressive approach. Nebraska makes a lot of sense for the B1G. Passionate fanbase, traditional power, etc. There's no doubt Nebraska is getting the better part of that deal, though. They wouldn't come close to the same TV money in another conference. If they jumped back to the Big XII (who I'm sure would be happy to have them) the Big XII TV deal isn't going to magically increase to anywhere near B1G money and the B1G would find someone to take their place.
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