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Post by knapplc on Aug 12, 2020 9:17:31 GMT -5
FYI - Tom Shatel has been a local muckraker since the 1990s. He does not speak for UNL or a majority of fans.
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Post by huskerjen on Aug 12, 2020 9:18:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the Big Ten gains by trying to handcuff members schools from playing if they choose. The Big Ten wouldn't be liable if something happens (they could easily have Nebraska or any other school sign a waiver). Nebraska isn't hurting the Big Ten financially by playing a one-off season. Nebraska wants to play in the Big Ten and will do so as quickly as the conference resumes sports. The Big Ten is basically saying they don't care about their member schools' ancillary concerns, e.g. local businesses that are supported by their schools sports seasons, and all they care about is the optics of a unified front.
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Post by huskerjen on Aug 12, 2020 9:23:54 GMT -5
His tone was that of a coach who wants his kids to play football. I fail to see anything wrong with what he said or how he said it. Good for him for sticking up for his players, his town and his state, the latter two of which are heavily dependent - uniquely so in the Big Ten - on revenue generated from football tourism. People complaining about Frost's tone apparently have no idea the financial devastation this will wreak on Lincoln. I appreciate the concern with the local economy. Ann Arbor, Madison, State College, Champaign, Iowa City, etc., etc. feel that pain. But, even if there were actual games, it isn't like tens of thousands of fans would still be descending upon these cities to pack into a stadium. The local economy is taking that hit either way. It wouldn't be packed out, but enough people would go out that they could at least continue to keep their doors open until the pandemic is over...at least hope to last that long. Most public areas and businesses have a mask mandate. While that doesn't cut the risk to zero, unfortunately, there needs to be a balancing act for small businesses to survive. Btw, I don't really want athletes playing, but it's difficult to not be sympathetic to business owners' and employees' livelihoods.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 12, 2020 9:26:10 GMT -5
Dramatic stuff. I'm surprised the Commish pulled the trigger so quick and publicly instead of just calling the folks in Lincoln and talking to them; though maybe he did.
A lot is gonna be happening with college sports, obviously, in the coming year.
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Post by knapplc on Aug 12, 2020 9:27:38 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the Big Ten gains by trying to handcuff members schools from playing if they choose. The Big Ten wouldn't be liable if something happens (they could easily have Nebraska or any other school sign a waiver). Nebraska isn't hurting the Big Ten financially by playing a one-off season. Nebraska wants to play in the Big Ten and will do so as quickly as the conference resumes sports. The Big Ten is basically saying they don't care about their member schools' ancillary concerns, e.g. local businesses that are supported by their schools sports seasons, and all they care about is the optics of a unified front. What's tough is that what works for most of the schools won't work for all of the schools. Some schools will take a disproportional hit from this decision. Those schools need to be taken care of - and those communities need to be taken care of. I feel like, just like releasing the schedule last week (crazy to think that was a week ago today!) and then canceling everything yesterday, there's more decisions to be made and we'll have some compromise in the next few days/weeks. I don't think the Big Ten is as callous toward the ramifications of this decision on Lincoln, NE as they appear to be. At least, I hope not.
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Post by dman on Aug 12, 2020 9:27:40 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the Big Ten gains by trying to handcuff members schools from playing if they choose. The Big Ten wouldn't be liable if something happens (they could easily have Nebraska or any other school sign a waiver). Nebraska isn't hurting the Big Ten financially by playing a one-off season. Nebraska wants to play in the Big Ten and will do so as quickly as the conference resumes sports. The Big Ten is basically saying they don't care about their member schools' ancillary concerns, e.g. local businesses that are supported by their schools sports seasons, and all they care about is the optics of a unified front. Ahh, but what if Nebraska was to play...and did so with virtually no issues?? Would there be backlash to the conference that a season could have taken place? Just a thought...
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Post by huskerjen on Aug 12, 2020 9:33:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the Big Ten gains by trying to handcuff members schools from playing if they choose. The Big Ten wouldn't be liable if something happens (they could easily have Nebraska or any other school sign a waiver). Nebraska isn't hurting the Big Ten financially by playing a one-off season. Nebraska wants to play in the Big Ten and will do so as quickly as the conference resumes sports. The Big Ten is basically saying they don't care about their member schools' ancillary concerns, e.g. local businesses that are supported by their schools sports seasons, and all they care about is the optics of a unified front. Ahh, but what if Nebraska was to play...and did so with virtually no issues?? Would there be backlash to the conference that a season could have taken place? Just a thought... Thats probably a part of the Big Ten's consideration in issuing a blanket "no play regardless" response. However, if CYA is the reason to further crush local economies, then I know which side I'm on. If some schools are okay not playing, that's fine, but if some want to play, then send them a liability waiver and let them explore their options for one season.
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Post by northwoods on Aug 12, 2020 9:45:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the Big Ten gains by trying to handcuff members schools from playing if they choose. The Big Ten wouldn't be liable if something happens (they could easily have Nebraska or any other school sign a waiver). Nebraska isn't hurting the Big Ten financially by playing a one-off season. Nebraska wants to play in the Big Ten and will do so as quickly as the conference resumes sports. The Big Ten is basically saying they don't care about their member schools' ancillary concerns, e.g. local businesses that are supported by their schools sports seasons, and all they care about is the optics of a unified front. Ahh, but what if Nebraska was to play...and did so with virtually no issues?? Would there be backlash to the conference that a season could have taken place? Just a thought... The SEC & ACC will be playing to a captive college football audience, raking in huge TV $$$ and playing in all the Bowl games that are held.....That backlash is coming and It will be fierce!
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Post by dman on Aug 12, 2020 9:47:25 GMT -5
Ahh, but what if Nebraska was to play...and did so with virtually no issues?? Would there be backlash to the conference that a season could have taken place? Just a thought... The SEC & ACC will be playing to a captive college football audience, raking in huge TV $$$ and playing in all the Bowl games that are held.....That backlash is coming and will be fierce! I agree!!
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Post by knapplc on Aug 12, 2020 10:04:21 GMT -5
Ahh, but what if Nebraska was to play...and did so with virtually no issues?? Would there be backlash to the conference that a season could have taken place? Just a thought... The SEC & ACC will be playing to a captive college football audience, raking in huge TV $$$ and playing in all the Bowl games that are held.....That backlash is coming and It will be fierce! They'll be making the same money whether other conferences play or not. Those TV contracts are already signed. They don't get more money if there's more viewers.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 12, 2020 10:08:58 GMT -5
Does anyone think the B1G would worry for even a second if Nebraska left the conference over this?
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 12, 2020 10:09:00 GMT -5
Honest question - how does a major conference office work and what is its authority? I think most people believe the conference is somehow "above" the member schools -- the Big Ten Conference executives and administration are the "parent" of 14 university children. But, isn't it really flipped - the conference is the child of a 14-parent polygamous marriage - and those parents can set the level of authority their child will have in their affairs. I guess what I'm saying - this can't simply be the Big 10 commish acting unilaterally. Some university presidents and/or athletic directors must want member schools to be prevented from playing if other schools aren't playing.
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Post by knapplc on Aug 12, 2020 10:09:49 GMT -5
Does anyone think the B1G would worry for even a second if Nebraska left the conference over this? Yes, of course. Let's not pretend Nebraska adds no value to the conference.
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Post by huskerjen on Aug 12, 2020 10:10:14 GMT -5
Honest question - how does a major conference office work and what is its authority? I think most people believe the conference is somehow "above" the member schools -- the Big Ten Conference executives and administration are the "parent" of 14 university children. But, isn't it really flipped - the conference is the child of a 14-parent polygamous marriage - and those parents can set the level of authority their child will have in their affairs. I guess what I'm saying - this can't simply be the Big 10 commish acting unilaterally. Some university presidents and/or athletic directors must want member schools to be prevented from playing if other schools aren't playing. University presidents voted in favor of shutting it down. Iowa and Nebraska were the two dissenters.
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Post by dman on Aug 12, 2020 10:10:50 GMT -5
The SEC & ACC will be playing to a captive college football audience, raking in huge TV $$$ and playing in all the Bowl games that are held.....That backlash is coming and It will be fierce! They'll be making the same money whether other conferences play or not. Those TV contracts are already signed. They don't get more money if there's more viewers. Yes, you're right. I can only imagine what the ratings will be as it will be the only game in town. TV will be the $$ winner.
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