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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 9:17:16 GMT -5
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Post by dman on Aug 17, 2020 9:29:40 GMT -5
Tragic story but really has nothing to do with my post...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 9:38:42 GMT -5
Tragic story but really has nothing to do with my post... Your assertion that 21 year old athletes are immune to cardiac complications as a result of the virus either means you are unaware of stories like the above - or that 5 B1G athletes had already been diagnosed with myocarditis after testing positive for COVID before the B1G postponed fall competition - or that you think it's an acceptable risk to take. Given that throughout this entire saga has suggested you believe sports should be played, regardless of the health concerns, I can see why you don't understand that the above story relates directly to your post.
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Post by dman on Aug 17, 2020 9:43:55 GMT -5
Tragic story but really has nothing to do with my post... Your assertion that 21 year old athletes are immune to cardiac complications as a result of the virus either means you are unaware of stories like the above - or that 5 B1G athletes had already been diagnosed with myocarditis after testing positive for COVID before the B1G postponed fall competition - or that you think it's an acceptable risk to take. Given that throughout this entire saga has suggested you believe sports should be played, regardless of the health concerns, I can see why you don't understand that the above story relates directly to your post. It absolutely has nothing to do with my post. They are performing an autopsy to find cause of death; nothing has been confirmed. Tragic stories like this one does happen to college athletes, dating all the way back to Hank Gathers. It's heartbreaking! I just stated why the SEC decided to move forward with football after considering this study; that's all. I would assume that all athletes that test positive for Covid will be evaluated for myocarditis before being allowed back on the practice field.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 10:04:14 GMT -5
Your assertion that 21 year old athletes are immune to cardiac complications as a result of the virus either means you are unaware of stories like the above - or that 5 B1G athletes had already been diagnosed with myocarditis after testing positive for COVID before the B1G postponed fall competition - or that you think it's an acceptable risk to take. Given that throughout this entire saga has suggested you believe sports should be played, regardless of the health concerns, I can see why you don't understand that the above story relates directly to your post. It absolutely has nothing to do with my post. They are performing an autopsy to find cause of death; nothing has been confirmed. Tragic stories like this one does happen to college athletes, dating all the way back to Hank Gathers. It's heartbreaking! I just stated why the SEC decided to move forward with football after considering this study; that's all. I would assume that all athletes that test positive for Covid will be evaluated for myocarditis before being allowed back on the practice field. So you don't think Ojo's death was related to Covid? Interesting. Have you seen a preliminary report which has suggested that, or is it more of a hope of yours? Based on early findings, it seems myocarditis can occur in those with no symptoms or only mild symptoms. Given that schools are not testing daily and students will be exposed to a far greater population who could potentially carry the disease once schools open back up, it's naive to assume that the same issue which caused the Pac and the B1G to postpone their seasons will not also effect your favorite conference. In fact, your opinion that the SEC will play seems to be at odds with the SEC's own medical advisory board... They have, apparently, simply not addressed that ultimate question yet, instead preferring to delay that decision: “I can’t speak for the other medical task forces, but from our perspective, our questions have been very cautious about what is happening today and what’s happening the next couple of weeks,” says O’Neal, an infectious disease physician in Baton Rouge and the leading voice on the league’s medical panel. “We haven’t dared to address what’s happening in a month or two months. We say that every time we meet: ‘Things are going to change so rapidly. Let’s proceed cautiously and re-evaluate.’ “I have to assume from media releases that the other conferences decided to have a more long-term perspective: ‘This doesn’t seem like we can do it,’” O’Neal says. “From our perspective, we haven’t addressed that long-term view as a medical task force.” www.si.com/college/2020/08/14/ncaa-football-covid-medical-experts-big-ten-pac-12
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 17, 2020 10:10:14 GMT -5
If college football play vs. not play was a decision between safety and money - why are most (any) HS playing this fall? I didn't think there was that much money in HS sports? Texas High School football begs to differ. They wouldn’t be building $60 million dollar stadiums if there was no money in it. There’s big money going around some high school football programs. Texas and much of the South - I get that HS football is big. But what about: Missouri, West Virginia, Iowa, Utah, Nebraska, Wyoming, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Vermont, Alaska, Wisconsin, Maine, Rhode Island, Montana, Connecticut, Kansas? They are all playing HS football this fall. I am somewhat familiar with the Kansas City area - and HS football doesn't have *that* much money.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 10:14:22 GMT -5
Texas High School football begs to differ. They wouldn’t be building $60 million dollar stadiums if there was no money in it. There’s big money going around some high school football programs. Texas and much of the South - I get that HS football is big. But what about: Missouri, West Virginia, Iowa, Utah, Nebraska, Wyoming, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Vermont, Alaska, Wisconsin, Maine, Rhode Island, Montana, Connecticut, Kansas? They are all playing HS football this fall. I am somewhat familiar with the Kansas City area - and HS football doesn't have *that* much money. No one is suggesting there aren't LOTS of people in this country who aren't taking this thing seriously... It's one reason we're still dealing with this thing on this scale.
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Post by n00b on Aug 17, 2020 10:22:50 GMT -5
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Post by dman on Aug 17, 2020 10:25:41 GMT -5
It absolutely has nothing to do with my post. They are performing an autopsy to find cause of death; nothing has been confirmed. Tragic stories like this one does happen to college athletes, dating all the way back to Hank Gathers. It's heartbreaking! I just stated why the SEC decided to move forward with football after considering this study; that's all. I would assume that all athletes that test positive for Covid will be evaluated for myocarditis before being allowed back on the practice field. So you don't think Ojo's death was related to Covid? Interesting. Have you seen a preliminary report which has suggested that, or is it more of a hope of yours? Based on early findings, it seems myocarditis can occur in those with no symptoms or only mild symptoms. Given that schools are not testing daily and students will be exposed to a far greater population who could potentially carry the disease once schools open back up, it's naive to assume that the same issue which caused the Pac and the B1G to postpone their seasons will not also effect your favorite conference. In fact, your opinion that the SEC will play seems to be at odds with the SEC's own medical advisory board... They have, apparently, simply not addressed that ultimate question yet, instead preferring to delay that decision: “I can’t speak for the other medical task forces, but from our perspective, our questions have been very cautious about what is happening today and what’s happening the next couple of weeks,” says O’Neal, an infectious disease physician in Baton Rouge and the leading voice on the league’s medical panel. “We haven’t dared to address what’s happening in a month or two months. We say that every time we meet: ‘Things are going to change so rapidly. Let’s proceed cautiously and re-evaluate.’ “I have to assume from media releases that the other conferences decided to have a more long-term perspective: ‘This doesn’t seem like we can do it,’” O’Neal says. “From our perspective, we haven’t addressed that long-term view as a medical task force.” www.si.com/college/2020/08/14/ncaa-football-covid-medical-experts-big-ten-pac-12And yet, what's your proof that it was?? I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you, just clogs up the board and does nobody any good. I simply posted a reason why the SEC is continuing to play at this point; nothing more and nothing less.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 17, 2020 10:26:22 GMT -5
Texas and much of the South - I get that HS football is big. But what about: Missouri, West Virginia, Iowa, Utah, Nebraska, Wyoming, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Vermont, Alaska, Wisconsin, Maine, Rhode Island, Montana, Connecticut, Kansas? They are all playing HS football this fall. I am somewhat familiar with the Kansas City area - and HS football doesn't have *that* much money. No one is suggesting there aren't LOTS of people in this country who aren't taking this thing seriously... It's one reason we're still dealing with this thing on this scale. I was responding to the often used claim that this is a decision between health and money. Now if you want to frame the argument between health and stupidity - that would be a different argument.
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Post by n00b on Aug 17, 2020 10:27:34 GMT -5
Texas and much of the South - I get that HS football is big. But what about: Missouri, West Virginia, Iowa, Utah, Nebraska, Wyoming, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Vermont, Alaska, Wisconsin, Maine, Rhode Island, Montana, Connecticut, Kansas? They are all playing HS football this fall. I am somewhat familiar with the Kansas City area - and HS football doesn't have *that* much money. No one is suggesting there aren't LOTS of people in this country who aren't taking this thing seriously... It's one reason we're still dealing with this thing on this scale. Or people are taking it seriously and coming to different conclusions.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 17, 2020 10:29:57 GMT -5
No one is suggesting there aren't LOTS of people in this country who aren't taking this thing seriously... It's one reason we're still dealing with this thing on this scale. I was responding to the often used claim that this is a decision between health and money. Now if you want to frame the argument between health and stupidity - that would be a different argument. People with money aren't necessarily smart in all situations.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 11:01:12 GMT -5
No one is suggesting there aren't LOTS of people in this country who aren't taking this thing seriously... It's one reason we're still dealing with this thing on this scale. I was responding to the often used claim that this is a decision between health and money. Now if you want to frame the argument between health and stupidity - that would be a different argument. Do you think they're mutually exclusive?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 11:04:31 GMT -5
So you don't think Ojo's death was related to Covid? Interesting. Have you seen a preliminary report which has suggested that, or is it more of a hope of yours? Based on early findings, it seems myocarditis can occur in those with no symptoms or only mild symptoms. Given that schools are not testing daily and students will be exposed to a far greater population who could potentially carry the disease once schools open back up, it's naive to assume that the same issue which caused the Pac and the B1G to postpone their seasons will not also effect your favorite conference. In fact, your opinion that the SEC will play seems to be at odds with the SEC's own medical advisory board... They have, apparently, simply not addressed that ultimate question yet, instead preferring to delay that decision: “I can’t speak for the other medical task forces, but from our perspective, our questions have been very cautious about what is happening today and what’s happening the next couple of weeks,” says O’Neal, an infectious disease physician in Baton Rouge and the leading voice on the league’s medical panel. “We haven’t dared to address what’s happening in a month or two months. We say that every time we meet: ‘Things are going to change so rapidly. Let’s proceed cautiously and re-evaluate.’ “I have to assume from media releases that the other conferences decided to have a more long-term perspective: ‘This doesn’t seem like we can do it,’” O’Neal says. “From our perspective, we haven’t addressed that long-term view as a medical task force.” www.si.com/college/2020/08/14/ncaa-football-covid-medical-experts-big-ten-pac-12And yet, what's your proof that it was?? I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you, just clogs up the board and does nobody any good. I simply posted a reason why the SEC is continuing to play at this point; nothing more and nothing less. You either didn't read that article or you're ignoring it because it undermines all of your posts regarding the SEC's motivation. They are, according to their medical advisory board, "continuing to play" because they're putting off deciding whether a fall season is viable, NOT because they've determined one is.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 17, 2020 11:13:30 GMT -5
No one is suggesting there aren't LOTS of people in this country who aren't taking this thing seriously... It's one reason we're still dealing with this thing on this scale. Or people are taking it seriously and coming to different conclusions. It’s important to remember that this study/reason was a factor in Big Ten decision, not the factor.
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