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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 17, 2020 17:10:37 GMT -5
There's a UW (Washington, the real UW) student... University of Washington - founded 1861. University of Wisconsin - founded 1848. The UW was founded in 1848. The University of Washington came along 13 years later. We agreed last year that the winner of the head-to-head series would own the initials. Guess who won?
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Post by cindra on Aug 17, 2020 17:11:50 GMT -5
Any word from Arizona or Purdue. They were among the most aggressive in terms of getting students on campus. Of course that was before the huge Arizona outbreak. Clemson already announced in July that the first month of classes would be virtual, but then students would come in-person on Sept 21. It's like they never really intended for any students to be on campus, but needed to pretend that there would be for some reason. I wonder what that could be??? We have 3 days starting Wednesday of all online, allegedly to make sure people can use the software and to give people with travel trouble extra time to get to campus. IMO it's a way to soften the blow.
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Post by dman on Aug 17, 2020 17:19:53 GMT -5
Clemson already announced in July that the first month of classes would be virtual, but then students would come in-person on Sept 21. It's like they never really intended for any students to be on campus, but needed to pretend that there would be for some reason. I wonder what that could be??? We have 3 days starting Wednesday of all online, allegedly to make sure people can use the software and to give people with travel trouble extra time to get to campus. IMO it's a way to soften the blow. Are you one of the students living in a hotel?
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Post by cindra on Aug 17, 2020 17:26:10 GMT -5
We have 3 days starting Wednesday of all online, allegedly to make sure people can use the software and to give people with travel trouble extra time to get to campus. IMO it's a way to soften the blow. Are you one of the students living in a hotel? Nah I'm off campus. Lucky for me if they end up kicking people out of dorms. Hotel rooms are nice though, you get a queen or full instead of the usual twin XL. TV and minifridge included! I've heard from people in dorms that there is a lot of trying to sneak out to parties, finding excuses in the rules to hang out with people not in their designated bubble, etc. Putting people with the biggest desire to break rules (freshmen) in the situation with the most rules (dorms) is a bad combo.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 17, 2020 17:29:49 GMT -5
The only reason to play volleyball in the fall is for optics - to make the decision to play football look like it's something other that trading kids health and lives for money. That's my take on the situation based on what Sheff has said. The vast majority of volleyball coaches aren't on board with that pressure. They don't face a problem running seasons in the depth of winter. They would like to see how the fall plays out in terms of the disease. They will have prep time. They will know if football doesn't get done that they get cancelled - ahead of time. They want vball separated from football. To play directly after this disaster of a summer, with no real prep time and incomplete seasons and no hope of a NCAA championship - I mean, why would they want that? Or that VB is viable in the spring assuming facilities and money (which could end up being a problem for some schools). I don't think football is viable in the Spring physically. Plus a good chunk of the players will not play - particularly those that want to go to the NFL in 2021. A team like Wisconsin would probably much rather take a chance of spring VB with a NC that includes the PAC, then play in the fall with no chance of a NC (at least one that would include the PAC). In football - Ohio State could give a rip about the PAC, but missing out on a NC that includes the SEC/ACC would be a problem for them. In addition - if the SEC/ACC/Big 12 play this fall and the B1G cancels - this could have short/intermediate impacts on recruiting. Finally, I wouldn't discount the idea that these players have dedicated much of their lives to their sport and have worked very hard to get where they are. If they cannot play - then they cannot play, but every effort should be made to try and play. My point was that there is really no reason for any of the P5 to play volleyball in the Fall. I have yet to hear a good argument for fall relative to spring Vball - especially now the fall NC is out of the question. Football I can understand, Though I don’t think they will make it work, and the SEC could probably handle a Spring move. But why are the ACC, SEC and B12 going ahead with fall volleyball? Why wouldn’t Texas or Baylor prefer to play for a natty, or Florida? I don’t get why the two seasons are linked - other than a few institutions having problems with space. The FBS and NCAA are different things. The only argument that makes sense to me is the optics. They don’t want it to look like they made the decision for the wrong reasons so all the other fall sports have to go for the ride, even if it rules out a championship, or even a real season for them.. That doesn’t mean I know why they made the decision about football, other than it clearly indicates just how low on the totem pole the other sports are.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 17, 2020 17:32:45 GMT -5
Any word from Arizona or Purdue. They were among the most aggressive in terms of getting students on campus. Of course that was before the huge Arizona outbreak. Clemson already announced in July that the first month of classes would be virtual, but then students would come in-person on Sept 21. It's like they never really intended for any students to be on campus, but needed to pretend that there would be for some reason. I wonder what that could be??? Universities told students what they needed to hear to get their tuition and housing, and that’s the truth. Once they have those checks they can go remote and not have to refund money and didn’t risk kids taking gap semesters or taking classes at a fraction of the cost at community colleges
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Post by hammer on Aug 17, 2020 17:33:48 GMT -5
Any word from Arizona or Purdue. They were among the most aggressive in terms of getting students on campus. Of course that was before the huge Arizona outbreak. Clemson already announced in July that the first month of classes would be virtual, but then students would come in-person on Sept 21. It's like they never really intended for any students to be on campus, but needed to pretend that there would be for some reason. I wonder what that could be???
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 17, 2020 17:33:56 GMT -5
The "ever-changing" knowledge is key here. In March, nobody knew what the hell to do and everyone was pawing in the dark at an answer (we didn't even have the testing capacity to make/follow solid plans). Colleges should have a plan in place for containing mini-outbreaks. UNC either didn't or had an exceptionally %*$#ty one. 100%. I remember reading UNC's protocols several months ago (it was posted here) - don't remember it exactly - seemed like they were on top of things. The constant here seems to be the behavior of young adults. I know for sure that the people that are testing positive today is significantly younger on average than back in March/April/May. But let’s play football!!!!
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Aug 17, 2020 17:36:59 GMT -5
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Post by cindra on Aug 17, 2020 17:43:43 GMT -5
Not sure if I want to believe some unverified podcast host. I didn't want to scroll through twitter but has he had any correct scoops in the past month or so?
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 17, 2020 17:46:51 GMT -5
Clemson already announced in July that the first month of classes would be virtual, but then students would come in-person on Sept 21. It's like they never really intended for any students to be on campus, but needed to pretend that there would be for some reason. I wonder what that could be??? Universities told students what they needed to hear to get their tuition and housing, and that’s the truth. Once they have those checks they can go remote and not have to refund money and didn’t risk kids taking gap semesters or taking classes at a fraction of the cost at community colleges Yup. If you are talking classes on your kitchen table at your parents home, why pay expensive private tuition when local public will be the same experience? Many schools were definitely trying to get students on campus, especially freshman, to get them hooked.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 17, 2020 17:49:44 GMT -5
Let me put on my Carnac the Magnificent hat for a moment (and date myself) and make my bold prediction: B1G comes back in for a week at the same time the ACC bows out. My other prediction is that enough B1G schools are starting this week that they will shut down again in about 2 weeks.
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Post by volleav on Aug 17, 2020 18:07:06 GMT -5
Let me put on my Carnac the Magnificent hat for a moment (and date myself) and make my bold prediction: B1G comes back in for a week at the same time the ACC bows out. My other prediction is that enough B1G schools are starting this week that they will shut down again in about 2 weeks. How many big 10 schools are testing all students before arriving? I know Ohio State is. I know others outside the big 10 are as well. That will help I think. These coaches will bubble the hell out of the players. I honestly think we'll see football. Maybe not Big 10 but others.
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Post by redcard🏐 on Aug 17, 2020 18:10:26 GMT -5
Or that VB is viable in the spring assuming facilities and money (which could end up being a problem for some schools). I don't think football is viable in the Spring physically. Plus a good chunk of the players will not play - particularly those that want to go to the NFL in 2021. A team like Wisconsin would probably much rather take a chance of spring VB with a NC that includes the PAC, then play in the fall with no chance of a NC (at least one that would include the PAC). In football - Ohio State could give a rip about the PAC, but missing out on a NC that includes the SEC/ACC would be a problem for them. In addition - if the SEC/ACC/Big 12 play this fall and the B1G cancels - this could have short/intermediate impacts on recruiting. Finally, I wouldn't discount the idea that these players have dedicated much of their lives to their sport and have worked very hard to get where they are. If they cannot play - then they cannot play, but every effort should be made to try and play. My point was that there is really no reason for any of the P5 to play volleyball in the Fall. I have yet to hear a good argument for fall relative to spring Vball - especially now the fall NC is out of the question. Football I can understand, Though I don’t think they will make it work, and the SEC could probably handle a Spring move. But why are the ACC, SEC and B12 going ahead with fall volleyball? Why wouldn’t Texas or Baylor prefer to play for a natty, or Florida? I don’t get why the two seasons are linked - other than a few institutions having problems with space. The FBS and NCAA are different things. The only argument that makes sense to me is the optics. They don’t want it to look like they made the decision for the wrong reasons so all the other fall sports have to go for the ride, even if it rules out a championship, or even a real season for them.. That doesn’t mean I know why they made the decision about football, other than it clearly indicates just how low on the totem pole the other sports are. Has the NCAA ruled that fall participants are excluded from a spring NC?
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Post by redcard🏐 on Aug 17, 2020 18:12:29 GMT -5
Let me put on my Carnac the Magnificent hat for a moment (and date myself) and make my bold prediction: B1G comes back in for a week at the same time the ACC bows out. My other prediction is that enough B1G schools are starting this week that they will shut down again in about 2 weeks. How many big 10 schools are testing all students before arriving? I know Ohio State is. I know others outside the big 10 are as well. That will help I think. These coaches will bubble the hell out of the players. I honestly think we'll see football. Maybe not Big 10 but others. Purdue required testing prior to arriving on campus. They sent home test kits to students. Classes start Aug 24th.
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