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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 17:04:56 GMT -5
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 19, 2020 17:05:32 GMT -5
I agree (or believe) that is the case. There is no reason for B1G VB to want to play a season w/o the PAC and no NCAA tournament. The problem is - VB doesn't always have control of these kinds of things. But as this is working out (in the chance it happens) - it appears to be just Football. And in large part it is because Ohio State/Penn State and others are going to have a huge disadvantage if they sit out a season where the SEC and others are playing. I keep hearing people saying this, but I don't believe it. First of all, as the SEC leads down this path of stupidity during a pandemic, all signs say it could all end horribly, without finishing the season and without a championship. Second, the PAC12 and to a point the B1G, are the conferences entertaining player demands and player unions. If you have the option of having players rights, healthcare after you graduate, some pay and the right to your own likeness, then the PAC12 might start sounding a lot better than the SEC, who tried to make their players sign a covid waver while "asking" them to play into the teeth of a once in a century pandemic. For all the self-interested college analysts/pundits demanding a season, the script can easily get flipped and this could all go south very quickly. Notre Dame elects to pause practice at least one day amid school's rise in positive coronavirus tests
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Post by n00b on Aug 19, 2020 17:19:30 GMT -5
I agree (or believe) that is the case. There is no reason for B1G VB to want to play a season w/o the PAC and no NCAA tournament. The problem is - VB doesn't always have control of these kinds of things. But as this is working out (in the chance it happens) - it appears to be just Football. And in large part it is because Ohio State/Penn State and others are going to have a huge disadvantage if they sit out a season where the SEC and others are playing. I keep hearing people saying this, but I don't believe it. First of all, as the SEC leads down this path of stupidity during a pandemic, all signs say it could all end horribly, without finishing the season and without a championship. Second, the PAC12 and to a point the B1G, are the conferences entertaining player demands and player unions. If you have the option of having players rights, healthcare after you graduate, some pay and the right to your own likeness, then the PAC12 might start sounding a lot better than the SEC, who tried to make their players sign a covid waver while "asking" them to play into the teeth of a once in a century pandemic. For all the self-interested college analysts/pundits demanding a season, the script can easily get flipped and this could all go south very quickly. Notre Dame elects to pause practice at least one day amid school's rise in positive coronavirus testsWhat demands have been entertained? I saw Pac-12 football players post a list of demands, saying they wouldn't play if they weren't met, then the season was cancelled. Meanwhile, I've seen SEC and ACC football players (most notably Trevor Lawrence) mount the #LetUsPlay campaign and actually get what they want (so far).
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 19, 2020 19:05:59 GMT -5
I keep hearing people saying this, but I don't believe it. First of all, as the SEC leads down this path of stupidity during a pandemic, all signs say it could all end horribly, without finishing the season and without a championship. Second, the PAC12 and to a point the B1G, are the conferences entertaining player demands and player unions. If you have the option of having players rights, healthcare after you graduate, some pay and the right to your own likeness, then the PAC12 might start sounding a lot better than the SEC, who tried to make their players sign a covid waver while "asking" them to play into the teeth of a once in a century pandemic. For all the self-interested college analysts/pundits demanding a season, the script can easily get flipped and this could all go south very quickly. Notre Dame elects to pause practice at least one day amid school's rise in positive coronavirus testsWhat demands have been entertained? I saw Pac-12 football players post a list of demands, saying they wouldn't play if they weren't met, then the season was cancelled. Meanwhile, I've seen SEC and ACC football players (most notably Trevor Lawrence) mount the #LetUsPlay campaign and actually get what they want (so far). You actually made me laugh! #LetUsPlay does sound so much like a player's rights movement and nothing that the AD, SID and coach would come up with and encourage their players to embrace. Such a grassroots, counter-culture movement!
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Post by redcard🏐 on Aug 19, 2020 19:07:36 GMT -5
The Daily Caller is below even Breitbart in the most recent Media Bias Chart... yeah, I'll wait. Nebraska putting a lot of energy into going 0-6 🤣 🤣 Best line in the whole thread!!
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 19, 2020 22:37:52 GMT -5
So, what you are trying to tell me is that Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Wisconsin are all in on this and the B1G still has fall canceled? In terms of athletics, OSU, PSU and UM are the king makers in the B1G. Wisconsin is 4th biggest in the ring, and they probably punch way above their weight because Barry Alvarez has been among the most prominent figures in the B1G for 30 years. If those 4 schools wanted to drag the rest of the B1G into a fall season, there would be a fall season. And I still say that your team may be playing in the fall...for now. If I were a betting man, I would still vote against seeing that. Can I join you and get in on some of that action? Final update on move-in COVID-19 testing175 students test positive in pre-testing. For a similar number of students at Notre Dame, that number was 33. Good luck Iowa State and good luck Big 12! UConn students evicted from dorms for holding pandemic party as schools grapple with COVID-19 crisisYup, this is so going to work. Can I increase my bet? I ain't even mad at the kids. Kids are gonna be kids. It's been that way since the beginning of time. I bet there's (1) a small subset who genuinely don't give a !!!!###$$$!!! and want to break the rules, (2) a small but significant subset who are extra careful about following protocols and being safe, and (3) a majority of students who are generally following protocols and being safe but might "give in" every now and then to go to a party, an event, and take a break from the burden of all of this.
What did people really expect would happen? I mean, a subset of adults are partying and "giving in" - is anyone surprised that hundreds or thousands of young adults thrown together would have these results?
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 20, 2020 2:21:13 GMT -5
Why is the SEC even trying to play football in Fall when they can easily postpone? It's not like they have to worry about weather. They have probably the least to worry about on that front. Is this just about getting season in for the players before the combine?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 20, 2020 2:26:56 GMT -5
UNC suspends all athletic activities on a short term while they are dealing with their outbreak.
Ole Miss reported an outbreak on a non-football team.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 20, 2020 7:18:46 GMT -5
Why is the SEC even trying to play football in Fall when they can easily postpone? It's not like they have to worry about weather. They have probably the least to worry about on that front. Is this just about getting season in for the players before the combine? Yes - and maybe they think they owe it to the players to at least try and have a season this year given the lifelong work many of these athletes have put in. If it doesn't work, then the season gets canceled. Having a season in the spring is off the table for college football - or at least not viable in terms of anything close to what a 2020 fall season could look like.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 20, 2020 7:26:22 GMT -5
Why is the SEC even trying to play football in Fall when they can easily postpone? It's not like they have to worry about weather. They have probably the least to worry about on that front. Is this just about getting season in for the players before the combine? Having a season in the spring is off the table for college football - or at least not viable in terms of anything close to what a 2020 fall season could look like. Why? There are multiple leagues planning a winter/spring season right this minute.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 20, 2020 7:38:44 GMT -5
Having a season in the spring is off the table for college football - or at least not viable in terms of anything close to what a 2020 fall season could look like. Why? There are multiple leagues planning a winter/spring season right this minute. Football is unique - playing 10-12 game season in the spring and then coming back and playing 10-12 games in the fall would be physical suicide for the players. Unless (maybe); if they were taking about something like December/January/February? Juniors and Seniors with an NFL draft grade will not play. It would be like trying to run a VB season where all the top Juniors and Seniors don't play. It wouldn't be the same - not look anything close to what a 2020 fall season could look like.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 20, 2020 8:01:39 GMT -5
Why? There are multiple leagues planning a winter/spring season right this minute. Football is unique - playing 10-12 game season in the spring and then coming back and playing 10-12 games in the fall would be physical suicide for the players. Unless (maybe); if they were taking about something like December/January/February? Juniors and Seniors with an NFL draft grade will not play. It would be like trying to run a VB season where all the top Juniors and Seniors don't play. It wouldn't be the same - not look anything close to what a 2020 fall season could look like. If there's no 2020 season, the draft-graded players won't be playing anyway. The plans I've seen floated are an 8 game schedule this winter/spring, three months completely off and back to training camp the first week of September for a 10 season schedule in 2021.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 20, 2020 10:44:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure why entire programs have to be held hostage to the desire of those particular stars to play this fall, though. COVID's a one off event whose timing was not in the universities' or the players control. It has caused the college season and professional interests to conflict for those players that are going pro. They have to choose - perhaps a hard choice, but that is life and it's not like it's the worst set of options in the world. If the draft-worthy players are prioritizing the combine, that is their right of course. The schools can manage. It's not like there aren't other good players to take their spots at these schools.
So I guess I still don't get the SECs position on this.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 20, 2020 10:57:43 GMT -5
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Post by ucfalum on Aug 20, 2020 11:06:24 GMT -5
UNC suspends all athletic activities on a short term while they are dealing with their outbreak. Ole Miss reported an outbreak on a non-football team. 13 student athletes, 11 on the same team. Heard it was the Cheerleaders....Masks are mandatory on Ole Miss Campus and around Oxford. Saw some students get yelled at from across the street to put their mask on outside. Students are just now going back.
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