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Post by Wiswell on Aug 19, 2020 11:00:19 GMT -5
Lets do some quick math on whether it is safe to play football. FL has had 24 covid deaths of young people between 15 & 24 as of yesterday. A number of these had serious co-morbities but lets ignore that for a moment. OTOH, >10,000 young people between 16 & 25 die in traffic accidents across the USA every year. That would mean over 500 per year in FL. Not all 15-24 year olds have had covid but it isn't hard to do that math and figure out that it is more dangerous for college age kids to drive their car every year than it is to get covid. Think about that for a second. Now it is also true that there may be other health impacts of covid besides death. OTOH, there are all sorts of injuries from traffic accidents that don't end in death. It is also true that these kids can become vectors of disease. That is why we should have them all at college where they can get each other sick and not their parents & grandparents. Focus on protecting the professors. There is no such thing as safe in this world, just different degrees of risk. For kids this age we seem to be missing the boat..... Oh geez. Cars crashes are tragic but the university has no control over what happens outside campus, and that's where most car crashes happen. The campus is supposed to be a safe space, not somewhere kids have to dodge cars or COVID. We're not supposed to be adding to the death toll of our ridiculous society. Kids and parents pay good money for that, and they would be well within their rights to sue the pants off of us if we didn't at least come close to giving that safe space to them. Also, car crashes are also not contagious - barring mass psychosis. COVID is. It can take over a particular campus, or not. That's the problem with exponential growth - it produces outbreaks, or nothing. You have to balance the risk of one versus the other, not assume nothing will happen because it may not, because you don't know the future. We barely know the present, this thing has broken over us so fast! Finally, you can't have kids on campus without support staff. Just isn't going to happen. Guess how old that support staff is and where they live? Guess how many resources it takes to protect them, or, God forbid, replace them. Forget the tears, or the risk of liability (which is real) -- it would take well over half a million to replace me, and I'm just an ordinary faculty member at an ordinary university. We don't have that money. I can stay home to teach (research is different), but the janitors, the cafeteria ladies, the physical plant guys, the residence hall RAs, etc - they can't. That is 25-50% of the university. Your argument only makes sense if you think the number of kids dying of car crashes is ok (It isn't), that kids die in car crashes on campus and colleges control that (they really don't), that mortality is the only endpoint that matters for COVID (it ain't, especially for athletes), and that we're going to let kids live like urchins on campus (we're not), that all these support staff and their families and community don't matter (they do), and that we know enough to pretend everything will be OK (We don't). My relatives put their lives on hold, and even in jeopardy, for years during WWII and the Korean War. I don't hold the lives of my students or my community members so cheaply that I can't get through a single year, just one, of just buckling down to get through this thing so we can come out better on the other side with more people alive and healthy and feeling like we care for each other. I really don't understand why we hold life this cheaply. It just feels like we have just gotten soft and selfish and narrow minded and paranoid. Is that what we are supposed to be teaching these kids? There are over 170k dead, and it's looking like the real number is probably more like 250k based on excess death projections (though data is really incomplete). Lets get it under control, mourn the dead, heal the sick, learn from our mistakes and get back to life! All of this is to say that Americans have a preposterously high tolerance for death. That's why we love our guns. So making the "car crash" argument, which doesn't work anyway, also is even a worse metric when you are saying that people are going to die anyway. I've also found that the people who previously talked about proposed "death panels" with respect to universal health care also seem to be the same people stating that it's just high risk elderly dying. The level of lockdown that some countries are re-doing is response to a surge relative to our daily case rate is amazing.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 19, 2020 11:01:21 GMT -5
Penn St.'s coach literally just released a statement acknowledging delay and looking forward to playing in winter at the earliest, so I'm going to say Sir Yacht is naught.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 19, 2020 11:27:04 GMT -5
it's all but official B1G football is back on for the fall Any sources other than Sir Yacht? Doesn’t mean it can’t be true, but I find it hard to believe that this secret is being successfully kept from professional sports reporters across the country but a random Twitter account has the inside scoop. Yeah, I tend to lean towards literally every other published report that say there is a zero chance of reversing back to fall but that they are actively planning for January. We failed, on a massive scale. Here is Wuhan last weekend::
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Aug 19, 2020 13:01:46 GMT -5
Penn St.'s coach literally just released a statement acknowledging delay and looking forward to playing in winter at the earliest, so I'm going to say Sir Yacht is naught. I'm not going to keep saying it because truthfully if it happens then great we will see more football but if not then oh well🤷🏽♂️ my team is playing so I'm good with either way. I guess we will just have to wait and see won't we.
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Post by ineedajob on Aug 19, 2020 13:15:07 GMT -5
Penn St.'s coach literally just released a statement acknowledging delay and looking forward to playing in winter at the earliest, so I'm going to say Sir Yacht is naught. I'm not going to keep saying it because truthfully if it happens then great we will see more football but if not then oh well🤷🏽♂️ my team is playing so I'm good with either way. I guess we will just have to wait and see won't we. The Daily Caller is below even Breitbart in the most recent Media Bias Chart... yeah, I'll wait.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 19, 2020 13:20:08 GMT -5
I'm not going to keep saying it because truthfully if it happens then great we will see more football but if not then oh well🤷🏽♂️ my team is playing so I'm good with either way. I guess we will just have to wait and see won't we. The Daily Caller is below even Breitbart in the most recent Media Bias Chart... yeah, I'll wait. Nebraska putting a lot of energy into going 0-6
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 13:58:01 GMT -5
Penn St.'s coach literally just released a statement acknowledging delay and looking forward to playing in winter at the earliest, so I'm going to say Sir Yacht is naught. I'm not going to keep saying it because truthfully if it happens then great we will see more football but if not then oh well🤷🏽♂️ my team is playing so I'm good with either way. I guess we will just have to wait and see won't we. So, what you are trying to tell me is that Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Wisconsin are all in on this and the B1G still has fall canceled? In terms of athletics, OSU, PSU and UM are the king makers in the B1G. Wisconsin is 4th biggest in the ring, and they probably punch way above their weight because Barry Alvarez has been among the most prominent figures in the B1G for 30 years. If those 4 schools wanted to drag the rest of the B1G into a fall season, there would be a fall season. And I still say that your team may be playing in the fall...for now. If I were a betting man, I would still vote against seeing that.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 19, 2020 14:49:35 GMT -5
So, what you are trying to tell me is that Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Wisconsin are all in on this and the B1G still has fall canceled? In terms of athletics, OSU, PSU and UM are the king makers in the B1G. Wisconsin is 4th biggest in the ring, and they probably punch way above their weight because Barry Alvarez has been among the most prominent figures in the B1G for 30 years. If those 4 schools wanted to drag the rest of the B1G into a fall season, there would be a fall season. And I still say that your team may be playing in the fall...for now. If I were a betting man, I would still vote against seeing that. Can I join you and get in on some of that action? Final update on move-in COVID-19 testing175 students test positive in pre-testing. For a similar number of students at Notre Dame, that number was 33. Good luck Iowa State and good luck Big 12! UConn students evicted from dorms for holding pandemic party as schools grapple with COVID-19 crisisYup, this is so going to work. Can I increase my bet?
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 19, 2020 14:55:40 GMT -5
So, what you are trying to tell me is that Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Wisconsin are all in on this and the B1G still has fall canceled? In terms of athletics, OSU, PSU and UM are the king makers in the B1G. Wisconsin is 4th biggest in the ring, and they probably punch way above their weight because Barry Alvarez has been among the most prominent figures in the B1G for 30 years. If those 4 schools wanted to drag the rest of the B1G into a fall season, there would be a fall season. And I still say that your team may be playing in the fall...for now. If I were a betting man, I would still vote against seeing that. Can I join you and get in on some of that action? Final update on move-in COVID-19 testing175 students test positive in pre-testing. For a similar number of students at Notre Dame, that number was 33. Good luck Iowa State and good luck Big 12! UConn students evicted from dorms for holding pandemic party as schools grapple with COVID-19 crisisYup, this is so going to work. Can I increase my bet? Every university who has students on campus is betting on students ( 20 yr olds) making good decisions. I’ll take the over!
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 19, 2020 14:57:26 GMT -5
Every university who has students on campus is betting on students ( 20 yr olds) making good decisions. I’ll take the over! Dang it, you are lowering my odds. We need more people to bet the other side!
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 19, 2020 15:03:48 GMT -5
buckeyeswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/19/ohio-state-gene-smith-working-on-fall-football-season-b1g/Sounds like this has some legs, but still more likely to not happen then happen. Interesting to think of the dynamic of Ohio State trying to convince Michigan of anything? Wisconsin and Michigan are very important pieces for college football. Curious why Indiana and/or Purdue wouldn't have interest? The plan is for 6 teams I haven't heard - but seems like this would make a FBS Playoff this year cleaner with the winners of the SEC, Big 12, ACC, and B1G getting a ticket. Also sounds like this would have no impact on fall volleyball for the B1G.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 15:54:04 GMT -5
Also sounds like this would have no impact on fall volleyball for the B1G. They'd have to drag B1G VB back in kicking and screaming. There is zero among the coaches to play.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 19, 2020 16:04:33 GMT -5
Also sounds like this would have no impact on fall volleyball for the B1G. They'd have to drag B1G VB back in kicking and screaming. There is zero among the coaches to play. I agree (or believe) that is the case. There is no reason for B1G VB to want to play a season w/o the PAC and no NCAA tournament. The problem is - VB doesn't always have control of these kinds of things. But as this is working out (in the chance it happens) - it appears to be just Football. And in large part it is because Ohio State/Penn State and others are going to have a huge disadvantage if they sit out a season where the SEC and others are playing.
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Post by n00b on Aug 19, 2020 16:36:46 GMT -5
They'd have to drag B1G VB back in kicking and screaming. There is zero among the coaches to play. I agree (or believe) that is the case. There is no reason for B1G VB to want to play a season w/o the PAC and no NCAA tournament. The problem is - VB doesn't always have control of these kinds of things. But as this is working out (in the chance it happens) - it appears to be just Football. And in large part it is because Ohio State/Penn State and others are going to have a huge disadvantage if they sit out a season where the SEC and others are playing. The SEC already used the slogan “it just means more”. Not sure Big Ten coaches could even try to argue that to recruits going forward.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 16:44:25 GMT -5
I agree (or believe) that is the case. There is no reason for B1G VB to want to play a season w/o the PAC and no NCAA tournament. The problem is - VB doesn't always have control of these kinds of things. But as this is working out (in the chance it happens) - it appears to be just Football. And in large part it is because Ohio State/Penn State and others are going to have a huge disadvantage if they sit out a season where the SEC and others are playing. The SEC already used the slogan “it just means more”. Not sure Big Ten coaches could even try to argue that to recruits going forward. If by "It" they mean money and after "more", they add "than anything else", then yes, they may have hit on a new slogan!
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