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Post by cindra on Aug 18, 2020 18:13:31 GMT -5
Notre dame online for two weeks, but pretty clearly as an alternative to deing with the headache of canceling. Michigan state online.
Dominos...
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Aug 18, 2020 18:40:56 GMT -5
Yes it is. If there worry was mainly about the aftermath the virus causes in young people and they were presented with science that says so I am sure the governor of Ohio was presented with the same "science" and still decided to play. Honestly as long as the big 12 is playing than I am fine and once the big 12 succ8 finds a way to play then the B1G will be under hell fire Aw yes. If the Big 12, in taking the riskier route, doesn't have any problems, then the B1G, who took the more cautious route, "will be under hellfire." That's really positive and productive thinking. I dont know if you have been paying attention to what's going on but the B1G is already under hell fire. Parents, players, administration are already highly upset with the decision. They canceled because they felt there was no possible way games can be played safely so if the Big 12 does so then it does look bad because there obviously was a way to do so with the same information everyone was given.
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Post by donut on Aug 18, 2020 19:25:42 GMT -5
Aw yes. If the Big 12, in taking the riskier route, doesn't have any problems, then the B1G, who took the more cautious route, "will be under hellfire." That's really positive and productive thinking. I dont know if you have been paying attention to what's going on but the B1G is already under hell fire. Parents, players, administration are already highly upset with the decision. They canceled because they felt there was no possible way games can be played safely so if the Big 12 does so then it does look bad because there obviously was a way to do so with the same information everyone was given. Did they state "there was no possible way games could be played safely?" I've seen statements more along the lines of: "It became abundantly clear that there was too much uncertainty regarding potential medical risks to allow our student-athletes to compete this fall." They weighed the risks with rewards and decided that the risks were too high. And if the Big 12 plays safely, that doesn't prove that the B1G made the wrong decision. It doesn't work that way.
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Aug 18, 2020 19:38:30 GMT -5
I dont know if you have been paying attention to what's going on but the B1G is already under hell fire. Parents, players, administration are already highly upset with the decision. They canceled because they felt there was no possible way games can be played safely so if the Big 12 does so then it does look bad because there obviously was a way to do so with the same information everyone was given. Did they state "there was no possible way games could be played safely?" I've seen statements more along the lines of: "It became abundantly clear that there was too much uncertainty regarding potential medical risks to allow our student-athletes to compete this fall." They weighed the risks with rewards and decided that the risks were too high. And if the Big 12 plays safely, that doesn't prove that the B1G made the wrong decision. It doesn't work that way. To you yes but to the parents and athletes it certainly does look that way. Which is why they are upset to begin with
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Post by donut on Aug 18, 2020 19:40:40 GMT -5
Did they state "there was no possible way games could be played safely?" I've seen statements more along the lines of: "It became abundantly clear that there was too much uncertainty regarding potential medical risks to allow our student-athletes to compete this fall." They weighed the risks with rewards and decided that the risks were too high. And if the Big 12 plays safely, that doesn't prove that the B1G made the wrong decision. It doesn't work that way. To you yes but to the parents and athletes it certainly does look that way. Which is why they are upset to begin with To the parents and athletes it looks like what? That the B1G is saying "there is no possible way games can be played safely?" I'm confused about your point. If that's the consensus amongst parents and athletes, then the parents and athletes are misinformed.
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Post by bigjohn043 on Aug 18, 2020 20:35:48 GMT -5
Lets do some quick math on whether it is safe to play football. FL has had 24 covid deaths of young people between 15 & 24 as of yesterday. A number of these had serious co-morbities but lets ignore that for a moment. OTOH, >10,000 young people between 16 & 25 die in traffic accidents across the USA every year. That would mean over 500 per year in FL. Not all 15-24 year olds have had covid but it isn't hard to do that math and figure out that it is more dangerous for college age kids to drive their car every year than it is to get covid. Think about that for a second.
Now it is also true that there may be other health impacts of covid besides death. OTOH, there are all sorts of injuries from traffic accidents that don't end in death.
It is also true that these kids can become vectors of disease. That is why we should have them all at college where they can get each other sick and not their parents & grandparents. Focus on protecting the professors.
There is no such thing as safe in this world, just different degrees of risk. For kids this age we seem to be missing the boat.....
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Post by cindra on Aug 18, 2020 20:40:52 GMT -5
Lets do some quick math on whether it is safe to play football. FL has had 24 covid deaths of young people between 15 & 24 as of yesterday. A number of these had serious co-morbities but lets ignore that for a moment. OTOH, >10,000 young people between 16 & 25 die in traffic accidents across the USA every year. That would mean over 500 per year in FL. Not all 15-24 year olds have had covid but it isn't hard to do that math and figure out that it is more dangerous for college age kids to drive their car every year than it is to get covid. Think about that for a second. Now it is also true that there may be other health impacts of covid besides death. OTOH, there are all sorts of injuries from traffic accidents that don't end in death. It is also true that these kids can become vectors of disease. That is why we should have them all at college where they can get each other sick and not their parents & grandparents. Focus on protecting the professors. There is no such thing as safe in this world, just different degrees of risk. For kids this age we seem to be missing the boat..... I'm sure the epidemiologists directing the responses of the colleges just didn't think of that.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 18, 2020 22:36:29 GMT -5
Lets do some quick math on whether it is safe to play football. FL has had 24 covid deaths of young people between 15 & 24 as of yesterday. A number of these had serious co-morbities but lets ignore that for a moment. OTOH, >10,000 young people between 16 & 25 die in traffic accidents across the USA every year. That would mean over 500 per year in FL. Not all 15-24 year olds have had covid but it isn't hard to do that math and figure out that it is more dangerous for college age kids to drive their car every year than it is to get covid. Think about that for a second. Now it is also true that there may be other health impacts of covid besides death. OTOH, there are all sorts of injuries from traffic accidents that don't end in death. It is also true that these kids can become vectors of disease. That is why we should have them all at college where they can get each other sick and not their parents & grandparents. Focus on protecting the professors. There is no such thing as safe in this world, just different degrees of risk. For kids this age we seem to be missing the boat..... Oh geez. Cars crashes are tragic but the university has no control over what happens outside campus, and that's where most car crashes happen. The campus is supposed to be a safe space, not somewhere kids have to dodge cars or COVID. We're not supposed to be adding to the death toll of our ridiculous society. Kids and parents pay good money for that, and they would be well within their rights to sue the pants off of us if we didn't at least come close to giving that safe space to them. Also, car crashes are also not contagious - barring mass psychosis. COVID is. It can take over a particular campus, or not. That's the problem with exponential growth - it produces outbreaks, or nothing. You have to balance the risk of one versus the other, not assume nothing will happen because it may not, because you don't know the future. We barely know the present, this thing has broken over us so fast! Finally, you can't have kids on campus without support staff. Just isn't going to happen. Guess how old that support staff is and where they live? Guess how many resources it takes to protect them, or, God forbid, replace them. Forget the tears, or the risk of liability (which is real) -- it would take well over half a million to replace me, and I'm just an ordinary faculty member at an ordinary university. We don't have that money. I can stay home to teach (research is different), but the janitors, the cafeteria ladies, the physical plant guys, the residence hall RAs, etc - they can't. That is 25-50% of the university. Your argument only makes sense if you think the number of kids dying of car crashes is ok (It isn't), that kids die in car crashes on campus and colleges control that (they really don't), that mortality is the only endpoint that matters for COVID (it ain't, especially for athletes), and that we're going to let kids live like urchins on campus (we're not), that all these support staff and their families and community don't matter (they do), and that we know enough to pretend everything will be OK (We don't). My relatives put their lives on hold, and even in jeopardy, for years during WWII and the Korean War. I don't hold the lives of my students or my community members so cheaply that I can't get through a single year, just one, of just buckling down to get through this thing so we can come out better on the other side with more people alive and healthy and feeling like we care for each other. I really don't understand why we hold life this cheaply. It just feels like we have just gotten soft and selfish and narrow minded and paranoid. Is that what we are supposed to be teaching these kids? There are over 170k dead, and it's looking like the real number is probably more like 250k based on excess death projections (though data is really incomplete). Lets get it under control, mourn the dead, heal the sick, learn from our mistakes and get back to life!
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Post by dodger on Aug 18, 2020 23:11:21 GMT -5
🤛🏽🤛🏽Right on badger
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 18, 2020 23:25:30 GMT -5
Did they state "there was no possible way games could be played safely?" I've seen statements more along the lines of: "It became abundantly clear that there was too much uncertainty regarding potential medical risks to allow our student-athletes to compete this fall." They weighed the risks with rewards and decided that the risks were too high. And if the Big 12 plays safely, that doesn't prove that the B1G made the wrong decision. It doesn't work that way. To you yes but to the parents and athletes it certainly does look that way. Which is why they are upset to begin with If you see someone playing Russian roulette and they don't blow their head off when they pull the trigger, that doesn't mean that the game was safe to play.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 18, 2020 23:26:41 GMT -5
Lets do some quick math on whether it is safe to play football. FL has had 24 covid deaths of young people between 15 & 24 as of yesterday. A number of these had serious co-morbities but lets ignore that for a moment. OTOH, >10,000 young people between 16 & 25 die in traffic accidents across the USA every year. That would mean over 500 per year in FL. Not all 15-24 year olds have had covid but it isn't hard to do that math and figure out that it is more dangerous for college age kids to drive their car every year than it is to get covid. Think about that for a second. Now it is also true that there may be other health impacts of covid besides death. OTOH, there are all sorts of injuries from traffic accidents that don't end in death. It is also true that these kids can become vectors of disease. That is why we should have them all at college where they can get each other sick and not their parents & grandparents. Focus on protecting the professors. There is no such thing as safe in this world, just different degrees of risk. For kids this age we seem to be missing the boat..... Protect professors? OK. Lets do some more quick math. UCLA has 4,300 hundred professors, so we will just bubble wrap them and we are done! Wash our hands and walk away. We will let the 45,000 students (31,500 undergrads) mill around in a huge petri dish for a term, and all pass it around. Great plan! Except what do we do with the 26,000 other employees on campus? Also, UCLA only has housing for 13,000 students, which means 32,000 students live off campus and go back and forth daily. So, over 62,000 students, staff and professors are going back and forth between campus and the community every day, while just 13,000 students are staying on campus most of the time. Sounds like you have a great plan.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 18, 2020 23:33:55 GMT -5
Did picture day get postponed too? None of the rosters appear to be updated with the current profile pics.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 18, 2020 23:52:23 GMT -5
Aw yes. If the Big 12, in taking the riskier route, doesn't have any problems, then the B1G, who took the more cautious route, "will be under hellfire." That's really positive and productive thinking. I dont know if you have been paying attention to what's going on but the B1G is already under hell fire. Parents, players, administration are already highly upset with the decision. They canceled because they felt there was no possible way games can be played safely so if the Big 12 does so then it does look bad because there obviously was a way to do so with the same information everyone was given. I dont know if you have been paying attention to what's going on but the ACC is already under hell fire. UNC made it a week. Notre Dame made it a week and a day before going into full lockdown to try and salvage the semester. Clemson, Pitt and Virginia are starting off with 100% virtual classes and no students on campus. The other school that started last week, North Carolina State, is showing increases. Is there a single school that has opened yet that looks stable after a week or two? What magic juju does the big 12 have to avoid what happened to UNC and ND? What about the recent record spikes in Texas tells you they will be any different?
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Aug 19, 2020 10:16:25 GMT -5
it's all but official B1G football is back on for the fall
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Post by n00b on Aug 19, 2020 10:41:26 GMT -5
it's all but official B1G football is back on for the fall Any sources other than Sir Yacht? Doesn’t mean it can’t be true, but I find it hard to believe that this secret is being successfully kept from professional sports reporters across the country but a random Twitter account has the inside scoop.
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