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Post by Winbabywin on Aug 10, 2020 11:38:52 GMT -5
For everyone who cares about volleyball, I really hope you are right. No one here cares about volleyball. Somehow the public health experts got access to Volleytalk, and have corrupted ever single DAMN thread with this crap!! Shut up fake experts!!! VOLLEY...Talk. I assume you understand English, VOLLEYTALK!!! Read it again!
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 10, 2020 11:40:13 GMT -5
Question/clarification? ((Sorry for my long-winded post, I really just don't know the answers, or I do know, and I'm just in denial)) If this is a go, and 2020-21 year canceled, won't this create a major backlog of current athletes + incoming athletes, and the ability for progrms to really recruit ('23-'25?) 1) I doubt it will be financially feasible to carry rosters of 18-24 athletes (with the current eligible roster athletes, and the incoming freshman/transfers. 2) Will current scholarship athletes lose their scholarship if rosters are limited? Will a university back so many scholarships, especially small mid-major programs, etc. -- I'm assuming cancellation of conferences/programs would create a major influx of transfers, but not enough opportunity to play, making a major hit on Club VB and High School sports? Sorry... I'm rambling! 3) Does a University continue to invest and agree to pay for all scholarships, including COVID holdbacks and committed athletes? Since it comes down to $$$, perhaps they cancel sports altogether (sorry, not trying to be fatalistic) **Maybe Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Hawaii, & Penn State are able to absorb these types of costs? I'm not sure other VB programs can?! Maybe these programs will be in the FF for the years to come... 4) One major fear is the Stanford model, which basically has started a trend on eliminating non-revenue sports. Scary thought, but not impossible. Unfortunately, people in charge of most universities are about $$$ -- even schools like Stanford with a mighty multi-billion dollar endowment didn't see the investment in Varsity supported sports. Their philosophy, just make it a "club" sport and the athlete is admitted on just academic merit and they also cover their own expenses etc, and with that, the University gains minimal academic costs and zero liability. 5) I'm just concern about the possibility of this going into 2022, as my **husband projects, and if that's the case, the backlog of athletes demanding their scholarships to be honored and recruits as well, just becoming an ugly court battle :-( ** Just to give background and context on my husband, I just didn't want to give the impression he is some random guy pulling this out of his butt... He is a Pediatrician/OBGYN, he was a pulmonary specialist and heart surgeon prior to going to the little ones, he worked at the CDC for 7 years, and taught Med Students in Boston. He is generally a knowledgable person, and not being bias because he's my hubby, but he's a good guy with wise opinions. He also has a good friend at Moderna, the leading research company working on a vaccine, he said not to expect an official vaccine, to the public, at the earliest late Summer 2022 :-( 1) If you are a private school and 12 people want to walk on, and your coach is comfortable with that number, it probably works. If they raise the scholarship level or exempt certain athletes, then yeah, that gets expensive. 2) I think Wisconsin was the largest university that said it would not extend it's senior spring athletes, so certainly there will be schools that do that. And truthfully, once the student athlete had graduated, the University has fulfilled it's part of the bargain. We'd never say that the athletes owe the schools a 4th season, and similarly, the schools do not owe the athletes anything other than an education. 3-4) Sports will be cut, but most schools are close to the requirement (unlike Stanford who had over 30 teams), and if they are 1-2 over may need those sports for Title IX purposes (which for those who don't know is NOT an NCAA policy, changes come from the courts and from Congress) so there probably won't be as many sports cut as you might expect. The idea of scholarships being cut, staffs being reduced, travel budgets being tightened, yeah, that's very likely, especially for men's non-revenue sports. 4-5) I'm wondering if they dump the early signing period. The members don't want to commit money when they have none coming in, and they don't want to tell verbally committed recruits "no" until they are sure, so the NCAA postpones or eliminates the early signing period and everybody signs in February (when football traditionally signs) or in the April signing period. The NCAA has been looking for ways to slow down the recruiting timetable and I bet that would do it, at least for a year or two.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 10, 2020 11:47:33 GMT -5
No one here cares about volleyball. Somehow the public health experts got access to Volleytalk, and have corrupted ever single DAMN thread with this crap!! Shut up fake experts!!! VOLLEY...Talk. I assume you understand English, VOLLEYTALK!!! Read it again! I think you need to chill a bit. I know the prospect of no college volleyball this fall is getting us all down, but still...
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 10, 2020 11:47:37 GMT -5
No one here cares about volleyball. Somehow the public health experts got access to Volleytalk, and have corrupted ever single DAMN thread with this crap!! Shut up fake experts!!! VOLLEY...Talk. I assume you understand English, VOLLEYTALK!!! Read it again! So, what is the latest news on volleyball? What? NCAA volleyball will most likely be cancelled this fall? Due to a virus? That is crazy! Does anybody have any info on this virus?
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Post by northwoods on Aug 10, 2020 11:54:20 GMT -5
Well, now that football and their hundreds of players staff & coaches are out of the bubble, the BIG can test out their protocols on the much smaller and more responsible (by virtue of being women) volleyball teams! Let their season play out to see if you could ever scale up to the numbers involved with football...
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 10, 2020 12:00:45 GMT -5
That's a big job and it can't happen through the private sector alone - it's not set up to do that job. I've not seen much of late to show the fed govt can coordinate much of anything. That's precisely the problem. Doubts over the ability of the government to deliver on a vaccine roll-out. We are not going to get any normal resumption of volleyball, high school or college, DI, DII or III, never mind which conference, unless people have confidence that the vaccine can get to the people in a reasonably predictable fashion. I may be naive but I think we could resume sports with a better test. By that I mean an accurate version of the Abbot ID now that is done on site, in 5-10 minutes but may only be 74% accurate. The plan at many schools was to have student athletes/staff test before leaving campus and then before the game, but with a 5-10 day return time on tests, that isn't an option. If they get a 95% or higher test that can be done on site for a reasonable cost, now you have something. And there are some issues that need sorting out...On an NCAA call it was revealed that one non-volleyball athlete came to campus for summer, tested positive, so instead of quarantining on campus she bought a plane ticket and flew back home while infected. Airplanes, cafeterias, wal-mart, doesn't matter - that cannot happen. And the allegations at Colorado State (rumored to be true at several other schools too) that coaches are discouraging reporting symptoms cannot happen. That cannot be a thing. But if a few things can be figured out I think we can have college sports before a vaccine.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Aug 10, 2020 12:01:38 GMT -5
As are zika, lymes, SARS, MERS, West nile among those that have emerged this century. Yes, 3 are mosquito or tick borne so not transmissible by a sneeze or cough. Swine flu has recently been back in the news as a new potential pandemic. S#it happens, deal with it, move on. Get back to living. We have coevolved with viruses and every single mutation that has been thrown our way since before we came down from the trees. The problem is that, when the sh*t happened (and continues to happen), the US did -not- deal with it. After a token after that flattened the curve (almost), we pretended that it was all better at “only” 20k new cases per day. Nationally, that’s above the 5 per 100k recommendation, but we re-opened anyway, and stayed open as the number climbed to 60k cases per day. Covid-19 can be managed (most countries have shown how to do it). It cannot be ignored. If we were seeing 10-50k cases per day of Zika, Lyme, SARS, MERS, or West Nile, you can bet we’d be doing something about them, too. (Actually, we might not, and just try to pretend them away, too.) :rolleyes: As with every other virus, the longer we deal with it, the more we learn. Death rates were very high at the beginning but with lessons learned they have largely flattened out. Sure, 160K have died but 95%of them were from underlying causes, covid only hastened their departure. There is no cytokine storm being seen with this virus, certainly not to the extent which has been seen with other viruses. >40% of people who have it don't even know it until they are told they do. Yes, there are after effects for some people with lung and heart damage but has anybody ever seen a stat which applies a number to how many are actually affected after recovery? I have searched and searched an it seems to be an ancient chinese secret type of thing as all I can find are anecdotes. CDC estimates that we have only measured at a minimum of 10% of the actual cases so while that 5 million number is being tossed out there, it is more likely that at least one in ten nationally have contracted it. However, without widespread antibody testing to give us a figure, it is unknown. Boroughs in NYC which have done the antibody work have shown that up to 78% of that borough's residents had covid at one time. You are right, nothing was done at first and due to unreasonable cuts to our health departments over the past couple of years, the US was not in a position to respond efectively even if it had been taken seriously. But that was then and this is now.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 10, 2020 12:02:18 GMT -5
That's precisely the problem. Doubts over the ability of the government to deliver on a vaccine roll-out. We are not going to get any normal resumption of volleyball, high school or college, DI, DII or III, never mind which conference, unless people have confidence that the vaccine can get to the people in a reasonably predictable fashion. I may be naive but I think we could resume sports with a better test. Can we get one for NCAA, with confidence? And for this to work, it has to apply to all college sports, not just volleyball.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 10, 2020 12:02:41 GMT -5
Through the grapevine, I heard that at least one B1G team has been notified that the season is over.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 12:07:11 GMT -5
Question/clarification? ((Sorry for my long-winded post, I really just don't know the answers, or I do know, and I'm just in denial)) If this is a go, and 2020-21 year canceled, won't this create a major backlog of current athletes + incoming athletes, and the ability for progrms to really recruit ('23-'25?) 1) I doubt it will be financially feasible to carry rosters of 18-24 athletes (with the current eligible roster athletes, and the incoming freshman/transfers. 2) Will current scholarship athletes lose their scholarship if rosters are limited? Will a university back so many scholarships, especially small mid-major programs, etc. -- I'm assuming cancellation of conferences/programs would create a major influx of transfers, but not enough opportunity to play, making a major hit on Club VB and High School sports? Sorry... I'm rambling! 3) Does a University continue to invest and agree to pay for all scholarships, including COVID holdbacks and committed athletes? Since it comes down to $$$, perhaps they cancel sports altogether (sorry, not trying to be fatalistic) **Maybe Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Hawaii, & Penn State are able to absorb these types of costs? I'm not sure other VB programs can?! Maybe these programs will be in the FF for the years to come... There are still a lot of things to sort out before we get down to the question of whether seniors have the option to return or frosh-juniors just lose a year. I think that with football, it is likely they will try to assess the feasibility of a spring season to salvage something. If there is a spring season, it would seem that you would just count that as a year and seniors would go on with their lives. Same with volleyball if it tried a spring season. The big question this week on that front would appear to be: Are fall sports just flat-out canceled? Or, are fall sports just postponed for the time being.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 10, 2020 12:09:16 GMT -5
I may be naive but I think we could resume sports with a better test. Can we get one for NCAA, with confidence? And for this to work, it has to apply to all college sports, not just volleyball. If any schools have regular students on campus, the test really need to be extended to all students.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Aug 10, 2020 12:10:21 GMT -5
Just announced - B1G football canceled. No football = no $ for non-revenue sports.
I'll be over here in the corner crying.
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Post by cindra on Aug 10, 2020 12:11:04 GMT -5
SEC apparently is trying to recruit teams to play in a fall football season. Could this also happen for volleyball?
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Aug 10, 2020 12:12:41 GMT -5
Just announced - B1G football canceled. No football = no $ for non-revenue sports. I'll be over here in the corner crying. Cancelled... or moved to Spring? A link or name of your news outlet would be a help!
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 10, 2020 12:12:45 GMT -5
Just announced - B1G football canceled. No football = no $ for non-revenue sports. I'll be over here in the corner crying. Man....................... So...what's next?
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