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Post by hwnstunner on Aug 31, 2021 21:34:28 GMT -5
does mylana's height have to do anything with the misconnection with williams? like mylana having a higher point of contact so timing is off between the two? does this make any sense? hoping they can iron out that before the games this week. I do not believe it is all Mylana's fault. There is also misconnections with Williams when Lang sets her. Of you watch Williams carefully, she is never ready to hit, always rushing, or really slow, to hit. Like she is not expecting to be set. That leads to Williams almost always whiffing, or dinking, sets to her. Where as, Igiede, is always ready, and in position, to hit. Also, watch Williams footwork, it is really goofy. She just does not seem to attack the sets. I believe it is more on Williams, then on either of the setters. If it were the setters having a problem with setting the Middles, Igiede, would also have a difficult time, and she is not. I really wanted to reply to this with lengthy thoughts and explanation... but I decided not to. I'll just leave it as this: I respect your opinion, but I totally disagree with your assessment on Skyler Williams. I do not see what you are seeing at all. |
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Post by wahinefan on Aug 31, 2021 21:36:30 GMT -5
Need to remember, Williams always had difficult with sets. Whether the sets came from Byrd, Land, even Iosia, and Choy. Williams for some reason never hit with much authority on much of her hits. She would almost always dink, or kind of whiff, on her hits, no matter who was setting her. Go back two, or three Wahine seasons ago, Williams was always either to early, or late, on sets to her.
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Post by beachindoor on Aug 31, 2021 21:37:07 GMT -5
I just love amber and will say it every day. - remember that iconic play where she dug a ball and then set one too
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Post by hwnstunner on Aug 31, 2021 21:45:40 GMT -5
Need to remember, Williams always had difficult with sets. Whether the sets came from Byrd, Land, even Iosia, and Choy. Williams for some reason never hit with much authority on much of her hits. She would almost always dink, or kind of whiff, on her hits, no matter who was setting her. Go back two, or three Wahine seasons ago, Williams was always either to early, or late, on sets to her. Um... did you not see Williams play in 2019? Her numbers speak for itself. And she showed potential her first two years (as most players do, but don't reach til their upperclassmen years). The issues she is having this year IS due to the connection with the setters. That's not her fault. That's not Byrd and Lang's fault. I know this team works hard and they will get better. The middle connection is the hardest one to develop and takes the most time. Williams played with Iosia three seasons, and Choy was a developed setter coming into the program. Your assessment on Williams was way too critical and TBH, not very sound when it comes to understanding the nuances of volleyball, rather than just the outcome of every play ends up being. I will say Williams should not have been reaching back on all those tip shots, but other than that, she played hard and made herself available to the setters all weekend long. OK, said my peace. I definitely need to stop here lol. |
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Post by babybacksets on Aug 31, 2021 21:51:29 GMT -5
True, i guess i didn’t think of it that way. I guess i looked at her Oregon numbers initially and didn’t see her beating out Okino who really worked her butt off and learned from Akiu. No offense to the girl but I honestly found her pretty erratic for a libero/DS but made a great serving specialist. If it’s something else, i wish her the best. But it’s totally understandable if she feels like she doesn’t have what it takes to beat out a freshman by the time conference season. Ikenaga is a preferred walk on so basically the only defensive specialist on the roster that was recruited by the staff. Considering all of that, the writing may have just been on the wall for Hanawahine. Not only did she get beat by Ikenaga, but she's not even playing as a DS. There were times when passing didn't go that well this weekend, and they still didn't put her in. She's basically splitting time with Gong as a serving specialist. Being a collegiate athlete is tons of work. No scholarship, no fans, etc. I can easy see why you would make the decision to just want to enjoy your senior year True, but this is also no longer Dave Shoji’s Hawaii Women’s Volleyball team. Unless you are giving an extremely high level of passing efficiency as compared to the outside hitters, being a serving sub is going to be the best that can be hoped for by incoming Defensive Specialists. Hanawahine doesn’t give the team anything offensively out of the backrow and probably isn’t a better passer than Wagoner and didn’t play Sand in the off season like most of the returners. I think the best thing this young team can do is gel offensively with an option at as many places on the court as possible and just work on adjusting to Mylana or Kate. Coach Rob has expressed several times how much she is looking for pin hitters who can do everything. Which is why we think she recruited/converted so many. Gives them all constantly something to be working on in their own game whether they are a leftside or rightside, 5’9” or 6’5” and that can only spell good things for the program in the long run. What’s going to be really lucrative is being a middle on this team because of how small the staff keeps that pool, which is a good thing, middle-setter connection is key and there’s no point having a lot of turnover in that position imo. |
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Post by rainbowsets on Aug 31, 2021 22:05:37 GMT -5
Need to remember, Williams always had difficult with sets. Whether the sets came from Byrd, Land, even Iosia, and Choy. Williams for some reason never hit with much authority on much of her hits. She would almost always dink, or kind of whiff, on her hits, no matter who was setting her. Go back two, or three Wahine seasons ago, Williams was always either to early, or late, on sets to her. Um... did you not see Williams play in 2019? Her numbers speak for itself. And she showed potential her first two years (as most players do, but don't reach til their upperclassmen years). The issues she is having this year IS due to the connection with the setters. That's not her fault. That's not Byrd and Lang's fault. I know this team works hard and they will get better. The middle connection is the hardest one to develop and takes the most time. Williams played with Iosia three seasons, and Choy was a developed setter coming into the program. Your assessment on Williams was way too critical and TBH, not very sound when it comes to understanding the nuances of volleyball, rather than just the outcome of every play ends up being. I will say Williams should not have been reaching back on all those tip shots, but other than that, she played hard and made herself available to the setters all weekend long. OK, said my peace. I definitely need to stop here lol. thanks for this response because honestly i would've been sent to timeout lol |
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Post by wahinefan on Aug 31, 2021 22:14:09 GMT -5
The Wahine weakest rotations is when Williams is in the Middle. Their strongest rotations is when Igiede is in the Middle. There is definitely something wrong there. Williams, being a Senior, be it a Covid Senior, it should be the Wahine strongest rotation when she is in the Middle, but it is not. Opposing teams are going to pick up on this, and put their strongest rotation when Williams is in the Middle. Try to score as many points as they can with Williams in the Middle. For this reason, I would like to see what Anna Kirayli has to offer in the Middle. Can she be more authoritative, in her blocking and especially in her hitting. Not to mention the connection with the Setters.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 31, 2021 22:32:28 GMT -5
Bummer  Totally just an assumption, but maybe it was difficult to not be the starting libero this year. Also I wonder if Gong getting the final scholarship affected things? In any case, I hope it's simply this and nothing serious. And I hope she gets her degree and has a successful career. But to endure a cancelled season, just to come back and leave the team after the first week of competition is heavy. And no senior night... The program was really rejuvenated with the trio of Oregon transfers. Only Van Sickle remains... Hanawahine physically could not have gotten that schollie. It was against the rules. |
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Post by 2left on Aug 31, 2021 22:36:23 GMT -5
I do think that Skye has always been more paint brush than hammer. Maybe it's just that Amber has become so good, but Skye also seems slower to her spots this year.
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Post by wahinefan on Aug 31, 2021 22:45:52 GMT -5
Skye has always been a one dimensional Middle. Hitting in front of the Setter. She looks quite awkward when she tries to hit behind the Setter, or even run the slide. Her footwork is just not there. Her forte as a Middle, is Blocking. If she is not doing that, Robyn needs to replace her, cause then she becomes a detriment, and disappears.
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Post by wahinefan on Aug 31, 2021 22:50:33 GMT -5
As for Hanawahine, I remember Hawaii coaches saying when she transferred, that she had picked up a lot of bad habits, while at Oregon. She had to relearn how Hawaii did things. But not only how the University of Hawaii coaches taught things, but what she had learned playing club ball in Hawaii. Guessing, she could not get over those bad habits she picked up in Oregon.
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Post by hwnstunner on Aug 31, 2021 22:56:13 GMT -5
Will. Not. Respond.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 31, 2021 23:14:40 GMT -5
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Post by babybacksets on Aug 31, 2021 23:17:19 GMT -5
The Wahine weakest rotations is when Williams is in the Middle. Their strongest rotations is when Igiede is in the Middle. There is definitely something wrong there. Williams, being a Senior, be it a Covid Senior, it should be the Wahine strongest rotation when she is in the Middle, but it is not. Opposing teams are going to pick up on this, and put their strongest rotation when Williams is in the Middle. Try to score as many points as they can with Williams in the Middle. For this reason, I would like to see what Anna Kirayli has to offer in the Middle. Can she be more authoritative, in her blocking and especially in her hitting. Not to mention the connection with the Setters. Williams is the M2, she was always going to be matched up with the “weaker” middle and be less offensive because there are 2 pins plus a backrow middle option. She’s a good blocker, just hasn’t been her best, but i wouldn’t have issues with a stronger offense middle being put up against Williams on a good day. Maybe the inconsistency has something to do with not playing a real volleyball match in 600+ days…idk maybe that’s just me… That being said, she lead the entire team in hitting percentage in 2019, it’s ok for her to have a slow start with new setters just like it’s ok for you to shut up about this 😂 |
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Post by brooselee on Aug 31, 2021 23:24:02 GMT -5
I can see three things that could have made Kyra decides to hang it up. One, she got beaten out by a Ikenaga. Two, she got beaten out by Gong. Three we have an OPP(Leoniak) who can play defense so there is one less spot for Hanawahine to play.
In the past, Kyra could get PT by coming in and serving for the OPP but our current starting OPP can serve very well and can dig with the best of them. There really is no where for Kyra to see playing time IMHO.
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