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Post by knapplc on Sept 17, 2020 11:02:33 GMT -5
Fresno St vs Colorado? Indiana vs Michigan? ESPN2/FS1 vs FOX/ABC? Not at all apples to apples.
But anyway, I wasn't arguing anything about Nebraska vs Minnesota. That isn't relevant to the discussion of if a non-AAU school like Nebraska deserved to be elevated into the Big Ten. Again, my argument is: what is Nebraska's hindsight VAR (value above replacement) with respect to hypothetically having added Missouri? No one can claim to give a precise estimate. But in a general guess, I say they would've been a far better choice. A legitimate academic school, and much more market bang for the buck, when you realize that neither school will likely ever compete for a national championship in football, going forward.
[/quote] There is no benefit to being an AAU member.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 11:07:11 GMT -5
There is no benefit to being an AAU member. Identity matters. It is part of the Big Ten's identity.
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Post by bigjohn043 on Sept 17, 2020 11:08:17 GMT -5
That’s a silly comparison. People care about Nebraska football good or bad. Sure ... people who live in Lincoln, Omaha, and the rest of the state. So, like, a million+ people?
National fanbase is not going to watch Nebraska. They don't carry games, anymore.
I am not really a B-10 fan but a fairly big college football fan. I watch games from all of the different conferences. I care a lot more about Nebraska than I do about for example Minnesota. If you take athletic department revenue as a proxy for fan interest in a school then Nebraska has $120M which is above Minn at $107M. www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2018/04/michigan_and_ohio_state_rake_in_185m_which_big_ten.html
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 11:10:22 GMT -5
Sure ... people who live in Lincoln, Omaha, and the rest of the state. So, like, a million+ people?
National fanbase is not going to watch Nebraska. They don't carry games, anymore.
I am not really a B-10 fan but a fairly big college football fan. I watch games from all of the different conferences. I care a lot more about Nebraska than I do about for example Minnesota. If you take athletic department revenue as a proxy for fan interest in a school then Nebraska has $120M which is above Minn at $107M. www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2018/04/michigan_and_ohio_state_rake_in_185m_which_big_ten.htmlThat's just local interest (tickets sold) + big donors. Everything else is fairly equal, and mostly comes from conference revenues.
Is Neb higher than Minn? Sure, a bit. Iowa and Wisconsin are significantly higher.
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Post by knapplc on Sept 17, 2020 11:10:56 GMT -5
There is no benefit to being an AAU member. Identity matters. It is part of the Big Ten's identity. It was. It isn't now. Source: Nebraska is a member.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 11:12:03 GMT -5
Identity matters. It is part of the Big Ten's identity. It was. It isn't now. Source: Nebraska is a member. No, it still is, always was, and always will be. Source: Rutgers and Maryland were added, as AAU members.
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Post by knapplc on Sept 17, 2020 11:24:32 GMT -5
It was. It isn't now. Source: Nebraska is a member. No, it still is, always was, and always will be. Source: Rutgers and Maryland were added, as AAU members. Then explain why Nebraska is a member of the Big Ten and not a member of the AAU, which is an academically worthless instituation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 11:29:06 GMT -5
No, it still is, always was, and always will be. Source: Rutgers and Maryland were added, as AAU members. Then explain why Nebraska is a member of the Big Ten and not a member of the AAU, which is an academically worthless instituation. Already have: Delaney got sold on the idea of Nebraska winning national titles for the conference. One of the worst decisions of his career. Worthless? Of course not. On par with Oklahoma (State) and K-State? Yes.
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Post by knapplc on Sept 17, 2020 11:37:47 GMT -5
The AAU is an academically worthless institution. Its sole benefit is membership.
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Post by donut on Sept 17, 2020 11:50:59 GMT -5
Why are posters encouraging this pissing match
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Post by knapplc on Sept 17, 2020 11:54:06 GMT -5
I apologize. It's not fun to see your school trashed. I'll stop.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 12:08:42 GMT -5
The AAU is an academically worthless institution. Its sole benefit is membership. Not true, but you’ve already made up your mind incorrectly and nothing will change that.
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 17, 2020 12:21:49 GMT -5
Of course I'm not a fan of Nebraska, but I believe you are off-base in your claims. With a quick search, I found these ratings numbers from a site for the 2018 season (couldn't find the 2019 season). For some reason, it only brought up 6 games for each school. Here's the numbers for Minnesota (the first number is the rating and the second number is the number of viewers in thousands - so for the first game below, the rating is .23 and the number of views is 395 which is 395,000). Minnesota September 8, 2018 Fresno State vs. Minnesota (MWC, B1G) (FS1) 0.23 395 October 13, 2018 Minnesota vs. Ohio State (B1G) (FS1) 1.5 2,405 October 26, 2018 Indiana vs. Minnesota (B1G) (FS1) - 335 November 10, 2018 Purdue vs. Minnesota (B1G) (ESPN2) 0.3 534 November 24, 2018 Minnesota vs. Wisconsin (B1G) (ESPN2) 0.65 1,031 December 26, 2018 Minnesota vs Georgia Tech (Detriot) (ESPN) 1.6 2,686 Nebraska September 8, 2018 Colorado vs. Nebraska (P12, B1G) (ABC) 2.1 3,394 September 22, 2018 Nebraska vs. Michigan (B1G) (FS1) 0.9 1,449 October 13, 2018 Nebraska vs. Northwestern (B1G) (ABC) 1.7 2,450 November 3, 2018 Nebraska vs. Ohio State (B1G) (FOX) 3.1 5,006 November 17, 2018 Michigan State vs. Nebraska (B1G) (FOX) 1.6 2,515 November 23, 2018 Nebraska vs. Iowa (B1G) (FOX) 2.1 3,664 Fresno St vs Colorado? Indiana vs Michigan? ESPN2/FS1 vs FOX/ABC? Not at all apples to apples.
But anyway, I wasn't arguing anything about Nebraska vs Minnesota. That isn't relevant to the discussion of if a non-AAU school like Nebraska deserved to be elevated into the Big Ten.
Again, my argument is: what is Nebraska's hindsight VAR (value above replacement) with respect to hypothetically having added Missouri? No one can claim to give a precise estimate. But in a general guess, I say they would've been a far better choice. A legitimate academic school, and much more market bang for the buck, when you realize that neither school will likely ever compete for a national championship in football, going forward.
I can guarantee you that if the Big 10 was choosing between Nebraska and Missouri, they chose correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 12:23:21 GMT -5
Fresno St vs Colorado? Indiana vs Michigan? ESPN2/FS1 vs FOX/ABC? Not at all apples to apples.
But anyway, I wasn't arguing anything about Nebraska vs Minnesota. That isn't relevant to the discussion of if a non-AAU school like Nebraska deserved to be elevated into the Big Ten.
Again, my argument is: what is Nebraska's hindsight VAR (value above replacement) with respect to hypothetically having added Missouri? No one can claim to give a precise estimate. But in a general guess, I say they would've been a far better choice. A legitimate academic school, and much more market bang for the buck, when you realize that neither school will likely ever compete for a national championship in football, going forward.
I can guarantee you that if the Big 10 was choosing between Nebraska and Missouri, they chose correctly. In volleyball. Not in anything else, any other factor.
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 17, 2020 12:23:40 GMT -5
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