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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 12:36:24 GMT -5
Then I assume, also based on your username, that you’re a Texas fan. You shouldn’t have a single bone in your body that wants to defend Nebraska, in any way.
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 17, 2020 13:17:49 GMT -5
Then I assume, also based on your username, that you’re a Texas fan. You shouldn’t have a single bone in your body that wants to defend Nebraska, in any way. I don't like Nebraska, but I don't twist facts. Also on your AAU rant, that matters to school presidents and some alumni to use at cocktail parties. The college football world doesn't give a %*$#.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 13:20:25 GMT -5
Then I assume, also based on your username, that you’re a Texas fan. You shouldn’t have a single bone in your body that wants to defend Nebraska, in any way. I don't like Nebraska, but I don't twist facts. Which facts did I twist? I provide my personal opinions and my logical arguments.
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 17, 2020 13:26:50 GMT -5
I don't like Nebraska, but I don't twist facts. Which facts did I twist? I provide my personal opinions and my logical arguments. I didn't say you twisted facts. I wasn't going to twist facts even though I don't like Nebraska.
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Post by knapplc on Sept 17, 2020 13:54:07 GMT -5
I didn't say you twisted facts. I wasn't going to twist facts even though I don't like Nebraska. But I appreciate the straight talk.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 14:01:31 GMT -5
No, it still is, always was, and always will be. Source: Rutgers and Maryland were added, as AAU members. Then explain why Nebraska is a member of the Big Ten and not a member of the AAU, which is an academically worthless instituation. Nebraska was a member of the AAU when the initially joined the Big Ten. They have since been voted out by the rest of AAU members. I believe several votes to remove Nebraska were cast by other B1G schools, interestingly. But, at the time of admission to the B1G, Nebraska satisfied the AAU requirement.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 17, 2020 14:15:34 GMT -5
There is no benefit to being an AAU member. I don't care about the AAU or Nebraska, but this just made me laugh. It's so very: "Oh yeah? Well I didn't want to be in your stupid club anyway!"
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Post by vbcoltrane on Sept 17, 2020 14:21:06 GMT -5
There is no benefit to being an AAU member. Identity matters. It is part of the Big Ten's identity. I know the Big 10 thinks it's important and would strongly prefer that all schools be AAU members, BUT if they really thought it was THAT important, its charter or the membership agreement with new members would state that the school had to maintain AAU membership and if it didn't, they'd be given X time to rectify it or get kicked out. They haven't done anything like that.
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Post by knapplc on Sept 17, 2020 14:31:45 GMT -5
There is no benefit to being an AAU member. I don't care about the AAU or Nebraska, but this just made me laugh. It's so very: "Oh yeah? Well I didn't want to be in your stupid club anyway!" I completely understand that reaction. But upon learning about the AAU, I didn't care if they allowed us to stay or kicked us out. It's not like the CIC (or whatever we're calling it now) that opens access to grants that other schools don't have access to. It's just a club, and the benefit is basically a plaque you hang on your wall. To some in academia that's a big deal. As a practical matter... not so much.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 17, 2020 14:41:06 GMT -5
As I understand it, AAU membership was historically important in establishing the top US universities as elite international-level research institutions. But the time when the US was seen as a hick country full of frontiersmen and slave-owning plantation barons is long gone.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Sept 17, 2020 14:49:04 GMT -5
There seems to be a lack of understanding as to what the AAU is, does, and why universities perceive there to be a value in membership. Hint #1: The big money in higher education isn’t football, it’s research grants. Hint #2: There’s a reason the AAU is headquartered in D.C.
Nebraska accepted the B10’s invitation in 2010, when it was an AAU member. It was widely reported at the time that AAU membership was crucial to that invitation being offered. Nebraska had their membership revoked in 2011.
I don’t recall any serious consideration to dropping Nebraska from the Big. The horse had already left the barn. Plus, the Big 10’s AAU preference seems kinda transactional given their multiple attempts to land non-AAU member Notre Dame.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 14:57:17 GMT -5
Not quibbling about its accuracy,but want to point out that that database does not include private schools such as Notre Dame, USC, BYU, Stanford, Northwestern, Baylor, Duke, Syracuse, etc.
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Post by donut on Sept 17, 2020 15:05:44 GMT -5
I don’t recall any serious consideration to dropping Nebraska from the Big. The horse had already left the barn. Plus, the Big 10’s AAU preference seems kinda transactional given their multiple attempts to land non-AAU member Notre Dame. Not a dig at Nebraska (so don't @ me), but I don't think anyone is questioning the academic prestige of Notre Dame. Based on Nebraska + Notre Dame, maybe the "rule" is "if you're a public school, you need to be in the AAU" and "if you're a top-20 private school, we don't care."
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Post by knapplc on Sept 17, 2020 15:13:41 GMT -5
I don’t recall any serious consideration to dropping Nebraska from the Big. The horse had already left the barn. Plus, the Big 10’s AAU preference seems kinda transactional given their multiple attempts to land non-AAU member Notre Dame. Not a dig at Nebraska (so don't @ me), but I don't think anyone is questioning the academic prestige of Notre Dame. Based on Nebraska + Notre Dame, maybe the "rule" is "if you're a public school, you need to be in the AAU" and "if you're a top-20 private school, we don't care." I don't take it as a dig at Nebraska, and I'm not going to pretend we don't have some academic ground to make up to join our Big Ten brethren. We've not only not risen in college rankings like I expected after joining the league (like Penn State did in the 1990s), we've regressed. That's on us, and we've got to get that cleaned up. We had some misguided leadership in the past 20-ish years. We've made some new hires that I think are going to put us in the right direction. But like any other academic institution, turning this ship is going to take some time.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 17, 2020 15:15:48 GMT -5
I don’t recall any serious consideration to dropping Nebraska from the Big. The horse had already left the barn. Plus, the Big 10’s AAU preference seems kinda transactional given their multiple attempts to land non-AAU member Notre Dame. Not a dig at Nebraska (so don't @ me), but I don't think anyone is questioning the academic prestige of Notre Dame. Based on Nebraska + Notre Dame, maybe the "rule" is "if you're a public school, you need to be in the AAU" and "if you're a top-20 private school, we don't care." Notre Dame is not an elite research institution. That doesn't necessarily say anything about their educational quality in other areas, but they just aren't known for a broad scope of impactful scientific research. On the ARWU (Shanghai Rankings) they are in the 300-400 tier, along with schools like Washington State, Oregon, Hawaii, Kentucky, Temple, LSU, etc. Nebraska is in the 200-300 tier. For reference, here are the US schools in the ARWU top-20: 1 Harvard University 2 Stanford University 4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) 5 University of California, Berkeley 6 Princeton University 7 Columbia University 8 California Institute of Technology 10 University of Chicago 11 Yale University 12 Cornell University 13 University of California, Los Angeles 15 Johns Hopkins University 16 University of Washington 18 University of California, San Diego 19 University of Pennsylvania No Big10 schools, unless you count the University of Chicago. (Michigan, Northwestern, Wisconsin, and Minnesota are all in the next 20 places, though.)
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