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Post by gibbyb1 on Sept 17, 2020 15:18:46 GMT -5
I don't like Nebraska, but I don't twist facts. Which facts did I twist? I provide my personal opinions and my logical arguments. Nobody cares about Nebraska football is not a logical argument, it’s a ridiculously false statement based on a school you personally don’t like. I can say, “the university of Minnesota sucks” I can’t say nobody cares about gopher hockey.
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Post by donut on Sept 17, 2020 15:23:47 GMT -5
Not a dig at Nebraska (so don't @ me), but I don't think anyone is questioning the academic prestige of Notre Dame. Based on Nebraska + Notre Dame, maybe the "rule" is "if you're a public school, you need to be in the AAU" and "if you're a top-20 private school, we don't care." Notre Dame is not an elite research institution. That doesn't necessarily say anything about their educational quality in other areas, but they just aren't known for a broad scope of impactful scientific research. On the ARWU (Shanghai Rankings) they are in the 300-400 tier, along with schools like Washington State, Oregon, Hawaii, Kentucky, Temple, LSU, etc. I'm aware. I believe that we've discussed rankings before, but I'm pretty confident public opinion in the United States around "academic prestige" is more in line with the US News and Report ranking than any other ranking. Notre Dame is #19 in that ranking this year. Again, that's why I don't think the B1G would give a sh*t that Notre Dame isn't in the AAU, or is in the 300s in the Shanghai Rankings.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 17, 2020 15:34:00 GMT -5
Notre Dame is not an elite research institution. That doesn't necessarily say anything about their educational quality in other areas, but they just aren't known for a broad scope of impactful scientific research. On the ARWU (Shanghai Rankings) they are in the 300-400 tier, along with schools like Washington State, Oregon, Hawaii, Kentucky, Temple, LSU, etc. I'm aware. I believe that we've discussed rankings before, but I'm pretty confident public opinion in the United States around "academic prestige" is more in line with the US News and Report ranking than any other ranking. Notre Dame is #19 in that ranking this year. Again, that's why I don't think the B1G would give a sh*t that Notre Dame isn't in the AAU, or is in the 300s in the Shanghai Rankings. My guess is that such a decision would have more to do with football money than any other factor. Would the B1G be interested in taking Notre Dame without their football team, like the ACC did? My guess is "no", football would have to be part of the package.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Sept 17, 2020 15:47:35 GMT -5
As I understand it, AAU membership was historically important in establishing the top US universities as elite international-level research institutions. But the time when the US was seen as a hick country full of frontiersmen and slave-owning plantation barons is long gone. Plus by this point all, or most, of the AAU schools have prestige and academic/research reputation independent of being an AAU member (a lot always did). Any of the members could pull out and I don't think it would hurt their standing one bit. Would a Harvard or Michigan or Texas degree suddenly have less prestige and carry less weight because those schools weren't AAU members? Sure, AAU sets a baseline for a number of things including endowments, research dollars, research activity. But those numbers for a given school don't change if the school isn't a member of consortium setting those baselines. I get that it matters in narrow circles and, again, I get that the B1G would prefer all schools to be AAU members, but I don't think AAU status is absolutely necessary to be a good school.
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Post by dodger on Sept 17, 2020 15:53:00 GMT -5
Which facts did I twist? I provide my personal opinions and my logical arguments. Nobody cares about Nebraska football is not a logical argument, it’s a ridiculously false statement based on a school you personally don’t like. I can say, “the university of Minnesota sucks” I can’t say nobody cares about gopher hockey. Well i am not nobody: i am somebody: and i for 1 dont care about Nebraska Football; but Same level or less In caring for Minnesota football! Seems Logical that nobody cares for Nebraska football if all the nobodies I know dont care and if your sparing partners nobodies do care! But nationally speaking Nebraska Football no longer holds the “charm” it once did! Example: nebraska was usually on ABC (National tv) and now Cable FS1: national TV to cable:! Unless Nebraska is playing Ohio State they rarely get the national game anymore: they have been regulated to the same level as Minnesota on the national football interest stage !! But you can always remember when if your nebraska; i dont ever remember when for Minnesota football ! But the i am only 1 somebody
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 17, 2020 16:01:33 GMT -5
I don't think AAU status is absolutely necessary to be a good school. Being a research university isn't necessary to being a good school, but it is necessary to being a good research university. The PAC and B1G seem to pride themselves very much on being associations of research universities.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Sept 17, 2020 16:15:09 GMT -5
I don't think AAU status is absolutely necessary to be a good school. Being a research university isn't necessary to being a good school, but it is necessary to being a good research university. The PAC and B1G seem to pride themselves very much on being associations of research universities. True, true. So I guess that begs the question, can a university be a good research university without being an AAU member.
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 17, 2020 16:30:35 GMT -5
Being a research university isn't necessary to being a good school, but it is necessary to being a good research university. The PAC and B1G seem to pride themselves very much on being associations of research universities. True, true. So I guess that begs the question, can a university be a good research university without being an AAU member. I would probably word it differently. You can be a good research university without being an AAU member, but I would expect the AAU to admit that good research university.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 17, 2020 16:38:03 GMT -5
True, true. So I guess that begs the question, can a university be a good research university without being an AAU member. I would probably word it differently. You can be a good research university without being an AAU member, but I would expect the AAU to admit that good research university. There's the rub. A lot of people have suggested that the AAU greatly enjoys its exclusivity.
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Post by n00b on Sept 17, 2020 16:40:34 GMT -5
This has become one of the worst threads on VolleyTalk.
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Post by knapplc on Sept 17, 2020 16:47:51 GMT -5
I would probably word it differently. You can be a good research university without being an AAU member, but I would expect the AAU to admit that good research university. There's the rub. A lot of people have suggested that the AAU greatly enjoys its exclusivity. UNL serves the needs of Nebraskans by focusing on Ag research - which, oddly, the AAU almost totally disregards in their metrics. I have no idea where Nebraska would rank compared to other Ag research schools, but we're pretty proud of it, and it's greatly benefited this state. If we had to choose between research that directly benefits this state or AAU membership, that's a pretty easy choice. There's also the funky way the Nebraska University System is structured, with the University of Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha, part of the System but completely apart from UNL. The AAU doesn't associate the two, so there goes a huge chunk of whatever research metric they accept. But we've been on the cutting edge of medical research for ages.
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Post by coloradokidd on Sept 17, 2020 16:51:08 GMT -5
Some, like the AAU, can act as if The 'University of Nebraska Medical Center' doesn't exist because it's located on a satellite campus in Omaha. "University of Nebraska Medical Center" - a budget of $774 million (2020–21). Ranking Notes: UNMC's primary care program was ranked 12th of 188 medical schools. The College of Pharmacy (28th of 134). The College of Public Health (56th of 177). The College of Allied Health Professions' physical therapy program (34th of 239). The physician assistant program (15 of 170). The UNMC College of Nursing's Master's of Nursing program (61st of 588). The Doctor of Nursing Practice program (53rd of 319).
The College of Nursing's graduate online nursing program tied at 66th with eight other institutions out of 178 ranked schools, and the nursing administration/leadership program, known as the LEAD program, was ranked 12th in online nursing administration programs, according to U.S. News & World Report.
UNMC was named a Fulbright U.S. Scholar Program Top Producing Institution for the 2019-2020 academic year by the U.S. Department of State's Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs.
* Federal research grants totaled $174.2 million in 2019-20. U.S. News ranked UNMC 62nd in research.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 17, 2020 16:57:19 GMT -5
I had no idea that AAU stood for anything other than the Amateur Athletic Union (e.g. AAU basketball). Out of curiosity, I did a Google search for "AAU," and the athletic organization is the top result, while the university organization is the second result. However, every result on the top three pages apart from that first one is about the athletic organization. Finally, midway through page 4, the university organization's twitter page showed up. I haven't been this confused reading something since I had to edit an article about evening primrose oil that repeatedly just called it "EPO," which I only associate with blood doping.
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Post by Redoutwest on Sept 17, 2020 17:08:10 GMT -5
And yet Nebraska consistently brings in more money than Minnesota, Minnesota must really suck than. "Brings in more money", is a cryptic claim. You mean, they sell more tickets to football games? So what?
The reason the Big Ten is able to give each university $50M a year, is almost entirely due to TV contracts. Nebraska is a piddly little state, with relatively few TV households to market products for advertisers. And certainly, almost no one in the general, national, college football fanbase gives a crap about mediocre Husker football, anymore. The diehards are mostly Neb alumni, daydreaming about the late 90's and early 2000's.
In the vein of good faith, honest discussion: I would however love to see some actual data on how many cable/satellite subscribers in the Denver and KC TV markets have the Big Ten Network in their main channel tier, due to Nebraska being in the conference. That would move the needle, a bit.
No, I'm talking over all revenue. I don't have to be cryptic about it. Look it up.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Sept 17, 2020 17:54:42 GMT -5
The UAA is a premier D3 conference comprised of AAU schools. Lol.
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