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Post by dman on Sept 3, 2020 13:30:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 13:45:21 GMT -5
That line doesn’t seem arbitrary to me, if you consider that disallowing competitions prevents cross-contamination between teams. The thing to always keep in mind here is: the world isn’t binary. Taking some measure, which doesn’t reduce the problems by 100%, but does reduce them by even a small amount, is still a valid measure. We can’t have all or nothing logic, on this. That isn’t valid. Totally agree that it isn't binary. Generally having students on campus seems to be 100x more risky than intercollegiate competition. And daily practices also seem a LOT riskier than football games, which are played outdoors and would create essentially zero CDC-defined contacts between the two teams. (The CDC defines a contact as being within 6 feet of a person for 15 minutes or more) The lines on both teams would be in close contact the entire game, cumulatively. Also wouldn’t surprise me if cumulatively lots of other positions get up there too. Cumulative is what matters. It’s just about giving enough chances to be breathed on by someone who is contagious. Your probability of catching it will go up exponentially with cumulative exposure time. Regular students aren’t necessarily doing anything of the sort that football players do in blocking and tackling. Agree that practice is doing a lot of exposures. But at least you’re isolating it to just the team, rather than across teams.
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Post by n00b on Sept 3, 2020 13:47:44 GMT -5
Totally agree that it isn't binary. Generally having students on campus seems to be 100x more risky than intercollegiate competition. And daily practices also seem a LOT riskier than football games, which are played outdoors and would create essentially zero CDC-defined contacts between the two teams. (The CDC defines a contact as being within 6 feet of a person for 15 minutes or more) The lines on both teams would be in close contact the entire game, cumulatively. Also wouldn’t surprise me if cumulatively lots of other positions get up there too. Cumulative is what matters. It’s just about giving enough chances to be breathed on by someone who is contagious. Your probability of catching it will go up exponentially with cumulative exposure time. Regular students aren’t necessarily doing anything of the sort that football players do in blocking and tackling. Agree that practice is doing a lot of exposures. But at least you’re isolating it to just the team, rather than across teams. There's also the practical reality that if football players don't have a game on Saturday afternoon, they'll make different decisions on Friday night.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 13:48:08 GMT -5
I agree. But there's a reason Warren is getting slammed but not Larry Scott (at least about this). It IS Warren's job to mediate the conversation, whether it's an issue at the president level or the AD level. If that meeting was adjourned without his assurance that all 14 presidents were going to buy in (even if they voted against), AND they had to get their ADs and football coaches to buy in, THAT is Warren's failure. No. It's his job to tell everyone the decision and be the piñata for folks like you. The presidents f'ed this up because they couldn't find a consensus OR keep their people in line. Neither of those are Warren's responsibilities. He's doing a first class job of keeping the masses distracted and shielding the presidents from your ire. He deserves a raise tbh! And this gets back to the fairly diverse (politically) makeup of the Big Ten. Ohio is very conservative and they’re devoted to their team like in SEC country. Would be no surprise if OSU president is being pressured by state government. That’s a wild guess, but wouldn’t surprise me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 13:50:59 GMT -5
Why are athletes the only ones who seem to develop this or are all the media seems concerned with??? I mean not a single person is concerned about anyone but those trying to play college sports, especially football. I'm pretty sure they should be concerned with the Rock. He looks kinda athletic. Or maybe the runners who just do that for fun. Or just anyone who works out. It's widely recognized as a problem in COVID and other coronavirus infections, but is mostly looked at in clinical settings with active disease and pathology. Athletes just get more preliminary care because their performance depends on peak VO2, and they may be at a higher risk of developing arrhythmias when heart rate is elevated during exercise. I've read perspectives from a few runners complaining of longer term shortness of breath and elevated heart rates after COVID. Thanks for posting that. I also recently saw this article: www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-19-can-wreck-your-heart-even-if-you-havent-had-any-symptoms/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 13:53:01 GMT -5
The lines on both teams would be in close contact the entire game, cumulatively. Also wouldn’t surprise me if cumulatively lots of other positions get up there too. Cumulative is what matters. It’s just about giving enough chances to be breathed on by someone who is contagious. Your probability of catching it will go up exponentially with cumulative exposure time. Regular students aren’t necessarily doing anything of the sort that football players do in blocking and tackling. Agree that practice is doing a lot of exposures. But at least you’re isolating it to just the team, rather than across teams. There's also the practical reality that if football players don't have a game on Saturday afternoon, they'll make different decisions on Friday night. I don’t deny that. I suspect that college (aged) partiers have or will be driving a lot of whatever surge there is this month. But that is not something the schools can control. The coaches and mentors can try to have them make the best decisions, sign pledges, etc. Hopefulky they are.
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Post by volleav on Sept 3, 2020 13:58:00 GMT -5
No. It's his job to tell everyone the decision and be the piñata for folks like you. The presidents f'ed this up because they couldn't find a consensus OR keep their people in line. Neither of those are Warren's responsibilities. He's doing a first class job of keeping the masses distracted and shielding the presidents from your ire. He deserves a raise tbh! And this gets back to the fairly diverse (politically) makeup of the Big Ten. Ohio is very conservative and they’re devoted to their team like in SEC country. Would be no surprise if OSU president is being pressured by state government. That’s a wild guess, but wouldn’t surprise me. Highly doubt it. Dewine is an idiot. She played college sports. Maybe she gets it. Ohio State football is pretty hard core. Most of the state may revolt when they see Power 3 actually play. I don't envy her starting her job in this mess.
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Post by n00b on Sept 3, 2020 14:01:38 GMT -5
I agree. But there's a reason Warren is getting slammed but not Larry Scott (at least about this). It IS Warren's job to mediate the conversation, whether it's an issue at the president level or the AD level. If that meeting was adjourned without his assurance that all 14 presidents were going to buy in (even if they voted against), AND they had to get their ADs and football coaches to buy in, THAT is Warren's failure. No. It's his job to tell everyone the decision and be the piñata for folks like you. The presidents f'ed this up because they couldn't find a consensus OR keep their people in line. Neither of those are Warren's responsibilities. He's doing a first class job of keeping the masses distracted and shielding the presidents from your ire. He deserves a raise tbh! If this is the role of a conference commissioner, Larry Scott is the greatest of all time!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 14:04:07 GMT -5
And this gets back to the fairly diverse (politically) makeup of the Big Ten. Ohio is very conservative and they’re devoted to their team like in SEC country. Would be no surprise if OSU president is being pressured by state government. That’s a wild guess, but wouldn’t surprise me. Highly doubt it. Dewine is an idiot. She played college sports. Maybe she gets it. Ohio State football is pretty hard core. Most of the state may revolt when they see Power 3 actually play. I don't envy her starting her job in this mess. What is a “Power 3”? I didn’t say the governor, I said state government. I suspect the state congress (or whatever they call it) controls the public funding given to OSU.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 3, 2020 14:04:22 GMT -5
Literally everyone knows this who is advising the presidents and ADs. It's besides the point. To understand relative risk you have to know the potential incidence of the disease, the percentage infected that get myocarditis, the extent of damage, and the prognosis for recovery. For the first issue we know COVID will likely be worse because it is novel and spreads well. On the second issue the percentage quoted is high, although I don't know how reliable that number is. For the third and fourth issues the jury is still out. All we really have at this point is anecdote, but some of that suggests caution is warranted until we know more. We won't know a lot of these answers very soon. In the meantime, in our ignorance, are we going to risk the health of students by making them entertain us now, because we are bored? Or are we going to wait until we have some answers or the risks abate somewhat? Along with lost revenue, those are the questions facing university presidents and ADs, and us.
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Post by MsRSV on Sept 3, 2020 14:05:51 GMT -5
Not quite exactly... the article says the student attribute his feeling ill to having the flu, but it never says he had nor was tested for influenza. It does say that a virus was determined to be a factor in developing MC, but not that an influenza virus was implicated. Corona virus does not equal influenza virus... that line of argument needs to go away.
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Post by n00b on Sept 3, 2020 14:12:58 GMT -5
Not quite exactly... the article says the student attribute his feeling ill to having the flu, but it never says he had nor was tested for influenza. It does say that a virus was determined to be a factor in developing MC, but not that an influenza virus was implicated. Corona virus does not equal influenza virus... that line of argument needs to go away. It absolutely is not that same thing. Agreed. But the point is that a lot of diseases that we're used to behave the same way. Flu causes myocarditis as well. People probably don't know that so when they see it about COVID, they have an uninformed reaction. How Can the Flu Affect Your Heart (November 2017)
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 3, 2020 19:03:34 GMT -5
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Post by cindra on Sept 3, 2020 19:13:38 GMT -5
Maryland has cancelled all athletic activities after near 10% positivity on a round of tests.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 3, 2020 20:12:31 GMT -5
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