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Post by burbank55 on Mar 9, 2021 1:19:13 GMT -5
Saw some changes on the schedule for USC.
- More times are posted.
- Match against GCU on April 22, at UCLA is off the schedule so now just a straight dual against the Bruins.
- Matchups for Pac-12 South and North Invitationals are now listed. Oddly, won’t face either Arizona school at the South Invitational in Tucson. There will be another match against the Bruins in Tucson though. Arizona is hosting and decided to chicken out of playing either the Trojans or Bruins.
- Matches against Cal Poly in SLO on April 16/17 are now labeled as part of the Center of Excellence Challenge. UCLA schedule has four undetermined opponent matches for these two days at this CP tournament. USC schedule will likely be updated later to also have four matches. Saw on Cal Poly schedule that they’ll be playing LMU, UCLA, GCU, USC over the two days, times not announced yet.
- Pac-12 South and North Invitationals will be on the Pac-12 Networks but not yet announced for the Pac-12 Conference Championships. I wonder if another network like ESPNU or FS1 might have first dibs and hasn’t decided.
Mar 13 (Sat) 12:15 Home Long Beach State Los Angeles, Calif. (Merle Norman Stadium)
Mar 13 (Sat) 2:30 Home Loyola Marymount Los Angeles, Calif. (Merle Norman Stadium)
Mar 18 (Thu) Noon Home CSU Bakersfield Los Angeles, Calif. (Merle Norman Stadium)
mar 21 (Sun) 2:00 Away Pepperdine Malibu, Calif.
Mar 27 (Sat) 12:45 Away Pac-12 South Invitational - Oregon. Tucson, Ariz.
Mar 27 (Sat) 7pm Away Pac-12 South Invitational - Utah. Tucson, Ariz.
Mar 28 (Sun) 12:45 Away Pac-12 South Invitational - Washington. Tucson, Ariz.
Mar 28 (Sun) 5:45 Away Pac-12 South Invitational - UCLA. Tucson, Ariz.
Apr 3 (Sat) 11:00 Home Florida State Los Angeles, Calif. (Merle Norman Stadium)
Apr 3 (Sat) 1:00 Home Florida State Los Angeles, Calif. (Merle Norman Stadium)
Apr 4 (Sun) 11:00 Home LSU Los Angeles, Calif. (Merle Norman Stadium)
Apr 4 (Sun) 1:00 Home LSU Los Angeles, Calif. (Merle Norman Stadium)
Apr 10 (Sat) 9:00am Away Pac-12 North Invitational - California. Stanford, Calif.
Apr 11 (Sun) 1:00 Away Pac-12 North Invitational - Stanford. Stanford, Calif. <- Likely a typo and occurring on Saturday
Apr 11 (Sun) 2:00 Away Pac-12 North Invitational - Arizona State. Stanford, Calif.
Apr 16 (Fri) TBD Away Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, Calif.
Apr 17 (Sat) TBD Away Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, Calif.
Apr 22 (Thu) 3:00 Away UCLA Los Angeles, Calif.
Apr 29 (Thu) All Day Neutral Pac-12 Championships - Day 1 Los Angeles, Calif.
Apr 30 (Fri) All Day Neutral Pac-12 Championships - Day 2 Los Angeles, Calif.
May 1 (Sat) All Day Neutral Pac-12 Championships - Day 3 Los Angeles, Calif.
May 2 (Sun) All Day Neutral Pac-12 Championships - Day 4 Los Angeles, Calif
May 7-9 NCAA Championships - Gulf Shores Alabama
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Post by gobruins on Mar 9, 2021 8:53:12 GMT -5
My daughter is a benefactor of the extra year and if the extra year hadn’t been offered with the same full scholarship as the other four years she was headed to another PAC 12 school for indoor on a full. Your daughter was the "beneficiary". The "benefactor" is the one who provides the benefit. |
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Post by kballer9 on Mar 10, 2021 11:41:26 GMT -5
My daughter is a benefactor of the extra year and if the extra year hadn’t been offered with the same full scholarship as the other four years she was headed to another PAC 12 school for indoor on a full. Your daughter was the "beneficiary". The "benefactor" is the one who provides the benefit. Just to clarify, not speaking about those who have a 5th extra year due to COVID, that is all fair. Speaking about the ones who are older, 23,24 plus that have found a way to stay in college volleyball, those need to move on. If you are good then play pro. And yes, his daughter was the beneficiary--LOL. |
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Post by sonofdogman on Mar 10, 2021 12:08:28 GMT -5
Really impressive how kballer9 has invented the "undergraduate" division of collegiate sports. Whether he/she has a dog in the hunt or not, it's just a wacky perspective. I guess if you're smart and athletic, getting an undergrad degree in three years, using an athletic schollie to start grad school, and using your remaining eligibility is also not okay with you? Give it a fricking rest. These girls have COLLEGIATE eligibility left to them by circumstances they didn't choose or decide upon. Shut the hell up and let them use it. |
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Post by raylasseter on Mar 10, 2021 18:04:44 GMT -5
And to add insult to injury, USC's two grad players were just named Pac-12 Pair of the Week. You okay over there kballer9?
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Post by volley2022 on Mar 10, 2021 19:10:19 GMT -5
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Post by pepperclove on Mar 10, 2021 19:54:46 GMT -5
The argument that 23 year olds are "too old" to be playing in college is just weird, especially given all the junior girls playing adult tournaments all summer and the lack of pro opportunities in beach volleyball (yes, those players could enter AVPs - if there are any tournaments with open qualifiers this year - but it's not like very many players can make money or even easily get real coaching after college).
However, the over-concentration of talent at USC and, to a lesser extent, UCLA is an interesting issue. I know girls want to play for those high profile programs, but unless you're sure you can crack the lineup, it seems like recruits should be more open to other schools. (And even if you are sure you can make the lineup, I can't imagine the Nourse twins ever pictured playing the 4s or 5s.) For example, Cal is a great university with a good beach program where I'll bet a lot of the players sitting on the bench at USC would be playing. Stanford seems to finally be getting top recruits with their latest recruiting classes, but their program has been slow to get going. Cal Poly and LMU have excellent former pros coaching, etc. It would be nice if the NCAA would expand the number of teams invited to the championships since the lure of playing for a national title is probably a factor, but realistically that probably won't happen for a while.
I would also be more inclined to question the coaches rather than the players on this one. Is there a point at which coaches should tell a prospective grad transfer that they don't have room if they have a stacked bench of recruits? Of course, the coaches are ultimately judged on winning so it would be hard to tell them to turn down a player who could help, and you never know when injuries or other problems can deplete your roster (see the Stanford indoor team, which is struggling to even field enough players to play matches this season between injuries and COVID issues - this after three national titles in four years).
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Post by hbmb10k on Mar 11, 2021 1:01:12 GMT -5
The argument that 23 year olds are "too old" to be playing in college is just weird, especially given all the junior girls playing adult tournaments all summer and the lack of pro opportunities in beach volleyball (yes, those players could enter AVPs - if there are any tournaments with open qualifiers this year - but it's not like very many players can make money or even easily get real coaching after college). However, the over-concentration of talent at USC and, to a lesser extent, UCLA is an interesting issue. I know girls want to play for those high profile programs, but unless you're sure you can crack the lineup, it seems like recruits should be more open to other schools. (And even if you are sure you can make the lineup, I can't imagine the Nourse twins ever pictured playing the 4s or 5s.) For example, Cal is a great university with a good beach program where I'll bet a lot of the players sitting on the bench at USC would be playing. Stanford seems to finally be getting top recruits with their latest recruiting classes, but their program has been slow to get going. Cal Poly and LMU have excellent former pros coaching, etc. It would be nice if the NCAA would expand the number of teams invited to the championships since the lure of playing for a national title is probably a factor, but realistically that probably won't happen for a while. I would also be more inclined to question the coaches rather than the players on this one. Is there a point at which coaches should tell a prospective grad transfer that they don't have room if they have a stacked bench of recruits? Of course, the coaches are ultimately judged on winning so it would be hard to tell them to turn down a player who could help, and you never know when injuries or other problems can deplete your roster (see the Stanford indoor team, which is struggling to even field enough players to play matches this season between injuries and COVID issues - this after three national titles in four years). Cal's dismal record is a product of it's own recruiting efforts. Many high quality recruits would love to go there but they express little interest in out of state talent and rarely show up at recruiting tournaments. I'm aware of three future USC/UCLA/FSU starters that sent interest and were blown off. Their roster has one out state player. It's a crying shame that a prestigious, internationally known, university is that insular. Stanford approaches 3x the number of recruits that this school does. |
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Post by burbank55 on Mar 11, 2021 13:23:43 GMT -5
Yesterday, Ed Chan posted a nice, in-depth review of all the top teams with plenty of quotes from different coaches. volleyballmag.com/ncaa-beach-volleyball-031021/Good to see the Trojans are enjoying the process of continuing to get better and better. Dain practically said iron sharpens iron. Article said Harward-Scoles have not given up more than 16 points in a set so far. Amazing! Edit: article was a bit inaccurate as it was only last week’s four matches where they didn’t give up more than 16 points in a set. In the first two matches of the season, they gave up 17 and 19. Still, impressive improvement! |
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Post by kballer9 on Mar 12, 2021 11:44:07 GMT -5
Really impressive how kballer9 has invented the "undergraduate" division of collegiate sports. Whether he/she has a dog in the hunt or not, it's just a wacky perspective. I guess if you're smart and athletic, getting an undergrad degree in three years, using an athletic schollie to start grad school, and using your remaining eligibility is also not okay with you? Give it a fricking rest. These girls have COLLEGIATE eligibility left to them by circumstances they didn't choose or decide upon. Shut the hell up and let them use it. Not invented FYI, was in a meeting and that is what was being discussed. You don't need to be rude. This is a topic that many are discussing at the moment. That is your opinion, but not everyones. UCLA, for example, has a great team with girls who should be there and so do many other schools. |
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Post by burbank55 on Mar 12, 2021 12:37:26 GMT -5
Sorry, kballer9, you aren’t making sense. USC is starting two true freshwomen, Kraft and Maple. Last year, they started 3 true fresh. UCLA has played no true fresh this year.
UCLA is finally letting Cami Sanchez and Hannah Phair get some matches in their fourth year and maybe only because the Van Winkles and Peri Brennan weren’t playing at the beginning of the year. The Bruins added multiple transfers over the past three years that prevented Sanchez and Phair from starting. To give you some perspective, Sanchez and Phair entered in the same year as Haley Hallgren, Sammy Slater, and Tina Graudina.
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Post by ocbeachfan on Mar 12, 2021 13:23:32 GMT -5
Sorry, kballer9, you aren’t making sense. USC is starting two true freshwomen, Kraft and Maple. Last year, they started 3 true fresh. UCLA has played no true fresh this year. UCLA is finally letting Cami Sanchez and Hannah Phair get some matches in their fourth year and maybe only because the Van Winkles and Peri Brennan weren’t playing at the beginning of the year. The Bruins added multiple transfers over the past three years that prevented Sanchez and Phair from starting. To give you some perspective, Sanchez and Phair entered in the same year as Haley Hallgren, Sammy Slater, and Tina Graudina. Adding on this, Quade is the same age as Hailey Harward, Julia Scoles, and Joy Dennis. I can see kballer9 being upset with someone like Toni Rodriguez who is on her 7th year (personally, I dont care, she was injured and that is why she retained eligibility), but to be upset with girls who are just doing their 5th year is crazy! |
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Post by newbeach on Mar 12, 2021 18:50:15 GMT -5
Sorry, kballer9, you aren’t making sense. USC is starting two true freshwomen, Kraft and Maple. Last year, they started 3 true fresh. UCLA has played no true fresh this year. UCLA is finally letting Cami Sanchez and Hannah Phair get some matches in their fourth year and maybe only because the Van Winkles and Peri Brennan weren’t playing at the beginning of the year. The Bruins added multiple transfers over the past three years that prevented Sanchez and Phair from starting. To give you some perspective, Sanchez and Phair entered in the same year as Haley Hallgren, Sammy Slater, and Tina Graudina. Adding on this, Quade is the same age as Hailey Harward, Julia Scoles, and Joy Dennis. I can see kballer9 being upset with someone like Toni Rodriguez who is on her 7th year (personally, I dont care, she was injured and that is why she retained eligibility), but to be upset with girls who are just doing their 5th year is crazy! Scoles has eligibility due to concussions hampering her indoor career. Should players with severe injuries be penalized? She switched to beach to continue playing a sport she loves. She was new to the beach before playing at UH (with only private training the summer before). Getting more experience and excellent coaching before going pro is probably a good idea. Also, with the extenuating circumstances of COVID-19, there are a few players who would have exhausted their eligibility but no one is to blame for that (except perhaps the NCAA who granted players an extra season to make up for the lost season). In many ways, the decision was unfair to incoming players. It would probably have been unfair if seniors weren’t granted an extra season. However, the decision was made and everyone has to live with it. Life’s not fair. Everyone who is currently playing is eligible, so let’s move on to celebrating the athletes who are all working hard to win a national championship. |
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Post by sonofdogman on Mar 13, 2021 7:44:01 GMT -5
But but but LOTS of people are discussing it! And somebody heard it being talked about in a meeting! Wait, I'm actually being rude now... Let me try to be more polite. kballer9, what people are discussing this? Are they players, coaches, administrators, fans, parents? Who specifically is referring to NCAA participation as "undergraduate"? That language is not part of any official classification or identification of play by the organization. Regarding the meeting you say where this is being discussed, it makes a big difference whether this was a meeting of coaches or administrators who have some stake and ability to affect decision-making and outcomes; or whether it was a meeting of folks at the local watering hole. Your claims are simply vague, and as such, they are simply opinions. My counter, that "undergraduate" is not an official designation, is not opinion but fact. Yes, we are all entitled to an opinion, but it is you who are trying to argue for yours, while nearly everyone else here is unanimous in supporting the facts as they currently stand by the NCAA. |
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