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Post by JB Southpaw on Feb 16, 2021 11:13:20 GMT -5
James Shaw is signed up for the AVP Next in San Antonio at the end of the month with John Schwengel. Other notable pairings are Benesh/Drost, Connole/Roschitz, Webber/Cory, Samuels/Cox, and Amorim/Friend. 210beach.bracketpal.com/signup/139?That group usually has their matches on FB live too. Hopefully TX thaws out by then.
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Post by beavis on Feb 16, 2021 22:23:46 GMT -5
Maybe down the road with Partain, but Shaw should get a Vet player at least for the 1st year. Too bad Billy Allen is taken. I think Reid would be a really good choice if he would move off David Lee. Rosie on a comeback maybe? I agree with you on Loomis, but I wonder if Ty still practice full time? Loomis – 42 in May Rosie – 41 in June Allen – 40 in October Priddy – 44 in October James Shaw - please go with Frishman or Partain right away, or try to wrest Crabb away from Jake. Share some growth in your game with a younger up and comer instead of yet another has-been who will simply suck the fun and the life right out of you, and who is still playing because they have nothing else to do. Let one of them coach you, but please don't feel like you have to play with one of them.
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Post by guest2 on Feb 16, 2021 23:22:37 GMT -5
Too bad Billy Allen is taken. I think Reid would be a really good choice if he would move off David Lee. Rosie on a comeback maybe? I agree with you on Loomis, but I wonder if Ty still practice full time? Loomis – 42 in May Rosie – 41 in June Allen – 40 in October Priddy – 44 in October James Shaw - please go with Frishman or Partain right away, or try to wrest Crabb away from Jake. Share some growth in your game with a younger up and comer instead of yet another has-been who will simply suck the fun and the life right out of you, and who is still playing because they have nothing else to do. Let one of them coach you, but please don't feel like you have to play with one of them. Like you, I think its odd no one has picked up Partain yet, but Frishman would be an inexplicable choice if Shaw had the options of the above guys. Chase is locked into his tier by his physical limitations. Also if James were picking who is best for his development or even for pure fun, why would he want to spend a year doing nothing but setting the ball and blocking. Any team that can't beat them just by serving Chase 100% of the time, is going to be in the Qs anyway. Miles is more interesting, but I wonder if his focus isnt on school or indoor or something else. Otherwise why doesn't he have a partner? Several inferior players do. But why couldn't Shaw get one of the older guys for a year then try Miles, and once proven, maybe Taylor, who is not leaving Jake pre-Olympic qualification. I think of how Tri speaks of Hyden, surely the most prickly old man in the history of the AVP, and how valuable that was to him.
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Post by COVAlove on Feb 17, 2021 8:38:59 GMT -5
So I think the idea behind taking one of the older guys like a Loomis or Reid in his first year isn’t to form a long term partnership but rather “rent” them for a year for their experience but also for their points. Would be wise for Shaw to learn from an established pro, one that also probably won’t be a side out liability as well, and allow him to work up his own MD level points in year 1.
THEN he can shop partners and be more selective. Also coincides with the end of the Olympic cycle.
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Post by wilbur on Feb 17, 2021 14:12:24 GMT -5
not to be a wet blanket, but you guys are getting pretty excited for a guy that has not had any beach success and minimal success as a professional indoor player. Jonah Seif played a little bit of beach recently and is not far off from what James is and he did much better in his indoor career.
I think the biggest jump for indoor college to professional that guys struggle with is the mental aspect and pressure to perform. Not saying that is what held James back indoors but this is a critical requirement for the beach game that he has to show. Most guys develop this with years of playing beach. Many say Ried came to the beach late but he was training and playing beach since he was in college, I have not seen Shaw at the beach before but maybe he did play a lot up in norcal.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Feb 17, 2021 14:20:16 GMT -5
Too bad Billy Allen is taken. I think Reid would be a really good choice if he would move off David Lee. Rosie on a comeback maybe? I agree with you on Loomis, but I wonder if Ty still practice full time? Loomis – 42 in May Rosie – 41 in June Allen – 40 in October Priddy – 44 in October James Shaw - please go with Frishman or Partain right away, or try to wrest Crabb away from Jake. Share some growth in your game with a younger up and comer instead of yet another has-been who will simply suck the fun and the life right out of you, and who is still playing because they have nothing else to do. Let one of them coach you, but please don't feel like you have to play with one of them. It would do Shaw well to play with a upper level veteran, even one slightly over the hill for the 1st year to learn how to be a real pro to catch up to his age. I'd love to see if Shaw has any defensive chops. (Casey Patterson level). It would be nice to have a big defender who could sideout.
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Post by butteryhands on Feb 17, 2021 14:46:08 GMT -5
Jeez. Did someone actually suggest he steal Taylor away from Jake? How truly good do we think this guy is at beach right now? Not to mention that he has probably zero points.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 15:09:35 GMT -5
i think that person meant after jake retires. he’s a lot better than jonah seif
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Post by KAP on Feb 18, 2021 15:26:17 GMT -5
not to be a wet blanket, but you guys are getting pretty excited for a guy that has not had any beach success and minimal success as a professional indoor player. Jonah Seif played a little bit of beach recently and is not far off from what James is and he did much better in his indoor career. I think the biggest jump for indoor college to professional that guys struggle with is the mental aspect and pressure to perform. Not saying that is what held James back indoors but this is a critical requirement for the beach game that he has to show. Most guys develop this with years of playing beach. Many say Ried came to the beach late but he was training and playing beach since he was in college, I have not seen Shaw at the beach before but maybe he did play a lot up in norcal. That's fair to be skeptical because he hasn't proven anything yet. We are excited because Shaw is a National Team level talent who is making the move to beach at a relatively young age. (I think he turns 27 next month.) He had a phenomenal career at Stanford, and his pro career has been decent, even though he's been injured a lot. He made the switch from setter to opposite a couple years back. There just aren't a lot of guys his size, 6'8" with his skillset moving to the beach. I'm not saying that he is a shoe-in for Paris 2024, but he has all the talent in the world to potentially get there. I can't think of a better prospect we have under 30 as a blocker. Benesh is a name that comes up a lot, and he will probably have a better 2021, but I definitely think Shaw has a higher potential ceiling. The adjustment isn't easy, and only time will tell. But if Phil and Jake hang it up after Tokyo, that's going to leave a void, so now seems like the perfect time for him to make the switch.
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Post by haze on Feb 18, 2021 17:36:51 GMT -5
I would say if Shaw is the real deal he would probably be more realistic for 2028 than 2024.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Feb 18, 2021 19:27:29 GMT -5
not to be a wet blanket, but you guys are getting pretty excited for a guy that has not had any beach success and minimal success as a professional indoor player. Jonah Seif played a little bit of beach recently and is not far off from what James is and he did much better in his indoor career. I think the biggest jump for indoor college to professional that guys struggle with is the mental aspect and pressure to perform. Not saying that is what held James back indoors but this is a critical requirement for the beach game that he has to show. Most guys develop this with years of playing beach. Many say Ried came to the beach late but he was training and playing beach since he was in college, I have not seen Shaw at the beach before but maybe he did play a lot up in norcal. That's fair to be skeptical because he hasn't proven anything yet. We are excited because Shaw is a National Team level talent who is making the move to beach at a relatively young age. (I think he turns 27 next month.) He had a phenomenal career at Stanford, and his pro career has been decent, even though he's been injured a lot. He made the switch from setter to opposite a couple years back. There just aren't a lot of guys his size, 6'8" with his skillset moving to the beach. I'm not saying that he is a shoe-in for Paris 2024, but he has all the talent in the world to potentially get there. I can't think of a better prospect we have under 30 as a blocker. Benesh is a name that comes up a lot, and he will probably have a better 2021, but I definitely think Shaw has a higher potential ceiling. The adjustment isn't easy, and only time will tell. But if Phil and Jake hang it up after Tokyo, that's going to leave a void, so now seems like the perfect time for him to make the switch. Agreed about the void, time is now for players to make the switch.
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Post by ajm on Feb 18, 2021 19:51:54 GMT -5
I would say if Shaw is the real deal he would probably be more realistic for 2028 than 2024. If he’s the real deal at the international level like Mol, Oleg, Thole, or Evandro, I suspect we will know within a year or two. Those guys didn’t take long to develop at all.
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Post by haze on Feb 18, 2021 20:30:34 GMT -5
I would say if Shaw is the real deal he would probably be more realistic for 2028 than 2024. If he’s the real deal at the international level like Mol, Oleg, Thole, or Evandro, I suspect we will know within a year or two. Those guys didn’t take long to develop at all. I'm going to go on a limb and say he's nowhere near that type of level. Mol is on his to being arguably the Greatest of all time. Oleg and Thole were World Impact before they were even 23. We may never see a physical specimen like Evandro again. I will root for the guy because he's USA and would really elevate the US, but Beach technique is so much more than just being physically imposing at 6'8" and skills. Transition is really on another level and I would definitely have to see how he does there. Alot of the Beach players coming over struggle with the transition at that level.
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Post by wilbur on Feb 19, 2021 1:34:11 GMT -5
Applaud your guys glass half full attitude. I think if he has potential to be world class it would have shown years ago. Look at Partain. James' dad is literally in the vb coaching hall HoF and was a top beach player in his day. He's not some kid hidden from the core of the sport without proper training until his 20s like Gibb or Phil.
I admit it could happen, theo may be the best example for career path best case, he stuck with it.
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Post by guest2 on Feb 19, 2021 3:37:12 GMT -5
Applaud your guys glass half full attitude. I think if he has potential to be world class it would have shown years ago. Look at Partain. James' dad is literally in the vb coaching hall HoF and was a top beach player in his day. He's not some kid hidden from the core of the sport without proper training until his 20s like Gibb or Phil. I admit it could happen, theo may be the best example for career path best case, he stuck with it. You are likely correct in both your assessment of Shaw and your own assertion that you are practicing wet blanketry. Your point about Don Shaw is well taken.
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