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Post by marnvbc2 on Jun 10, 2022 23:19:22 GMT -5
beba, bbg95, hujak (the 3 BYU coaches) are you reading somewhere that someone said scheduling is easy? I didn't see anyone make a comment about whether or not scheduling is easy or hard. Maybe I missed something. Hard schedules for BYU is a must given their weak WCC schedule. Their weak pre-season schedule last season cost them big time in NCAA tourney seeding. BYU's RPI was not good enough for a top 12 seed. It is too bad because they had a team who could have competed for a final 4 berth and probably beaten Purdue if BYU had allowed themselves to play some top teams even if that met losing a few hard fought matches. They certainly appear to have learned their lesson and really upped the strength of schedule this year. Good for them. An E.Kentucky, Rice or UCF would jump at the chance to play BYU. Not that hard of a scheduling issue. Teams are rewarded for playing hard schedules and I was making the point that BYU could put another couple of tough teams into the schedule and been just fine. The thought that bbg95 had that BYU probably wouldn't want a tougher schedule is what has me laughing. You have got to be kidding? Playing hard teams is what makes you better and focuses your weaknesses for improvement. This current schedule is fine and much much better than last season, but it isn't elite.
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jun 10, 2022 23:22:11 GMT -5
Do you have any clue how difficult scheduling is? This is why BYU didn't schedule tough in their non-conference last season. It was just to tough to do!? |
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 11, 2022 0:43:10 GMT -5
beba, bbg95, hujak (the 3 BYU coaches) are you reading somewhere that someone said scheduling is easy? I didn't see anyone make a comment about whether or not scheduling is easy or hard. Maybe I missed something. Hard schedules for BYU is a must given their weak WCC schedule. Their weak pre-season schedule last season cost them big time in NCAA tourney seeding. BYU's RPI was not good enough for a top 12 seed. It is too bad because they had a team who could have competed for a final 4 berth and probably beaten Purdue if BYU had allowed themselves to play some top teams even if that met losing a few hard fought matches. They certainly appear to have learned their lesson and really upped the strength of schedule this year. Good for them. An E.Kentucky, Rice or UCF would jump at the chance to play BYU. Not that hard of a scheduling issue. Teams are rewarded for playing hard schedules and I was making the point that BYU could put another couple of tough teams into the schedule and been just fine. The thought that bbg95 had that BYU probably wouldn't want a tougher schedule is what has me laughing. You have got to be kidding? Playing hard teams is what makes you better and focuses your weaknesses for improvement. This current schedule is fine and much much better than last season, but it isn't elite. You want a challenging schedule, not necessarily a ridiculously tough one. Depends on the kind of team you are. 2022 BYU isn't 2019 Stanford. This isn't really a hard concept to grasp. As I've said many times, last year's schedule was disappointing. This one is quite good. Maybe not perfect but definitely good. You're also assuming that BYU didn't try to schedule tough teams last year. Given their recent scheduling history (look at their 2018 and 2019 schedules), this seems like a dumb assumption. My guess is that they did try, but for whatever reason, it just didn't work out for that particular season. |
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Post by beba on Jun 11, 2022 2:18:38 GMT -5
beba, bbg95, hujak (the 3 BYU coaches) are you reading somewhere that someone said scheduling is easy? I didn't see anyone make a comment about whether or not scheduling is easy or hard. Maybe I missed something. Hard schedules for BYU is a must given their weak WCC schedule. Their weak pre-season schedule last season cost them big time in NCAA tourney seeding. BYU's RPI was not good enough for a top 12 seed. It is too bad because they had a team who could have competed for a final 4 berth and probably beaten Purdue if BYU had allowed themselves to play some top teams even if that met losing a few hard fought matches. They certainly appear to have learned their lesson and really upped the strength of schedule this year. Good for them. An E.Kentucky, Rice or UCF would jump at the chance to play BYU. Not that hard of a scheduling issue. Teams are rewarded for playing hard schedules and I was making the point that BYU could put another couple of tough teams into the schedule and been just fine. The thought that bbg95 had that BYU probably wouldn't want a tougher schedule is what has me laughing. You have got to be kidding? Playing hard teams is what makes you better and focuses your weaknesses for improvement. This current schedule is fine and much much better than last season, but it isn't elite. Thank you for supporting my point. |
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Post by trojansc on Jun 11, 2022 3:03:54 GMT -5
BYU's scheduling to me says: "we are going after a top 16 seed, not a top 4 seed". Which is a smart thing to do, IMO. Going after a top 4 seed when they probably aren't that caliber would probably not be good for many reasons. But, they are doing better than last year which put them in jeopardy of not getting a seed. I think Pitt, Georgia Tech, USD(x2), and Ohio State will all be Top 25 teams. Washington State is kind of a wildcard, not too sure what to expect from them.
I could be being a little dramatic on Utah's demise, but, I think they could end up being a poor team to schedule, but I get it, it is the holy war. Hopefully for BYU, UVU and Utah State are good/top 3ish of their conferences again.
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 11, 2022 11:35:37 GMT -5
BYU's scheduling to me says: "we are going after a top 16 seed, not a top 4 seed". Which is a smart thing to do, IMO. Going after a top 4 seed when they probably aren't that caliber would probably not be good for many reasons. But, they are doing better than last year which put them in jeopardy of not getting a seed. I think Pitt, Georgia Tech, USD(x2), and Ohio State will all be Top 25 teams. Washington State is kind of a wildcard, not too sure what to expect from them. I could be being a little dramatic on Utah's demise, but, I think they could end up being a poor team to schedule, but I get it, it is the holy war. Hopefully for BYU, UVU and Utah State are good/top 3ish of their conferences again. Utah will be on the schedule pretty much every year unless they're so bad that they become a major RPI killer. UVU too. Even then, once BYU moves to the Big 12, they won't have to worry about playing USF, Gonzaga and Portland twice a season, so they might still schedule a bad Utah. Also, in conference, I think Pepperdine could be pretty good. Maybe not top 25, but I think they have almost everyone back and a strong recruiting class. Probably depends on how good their nonconference schedule is and if the WCC improves (the bottom of the WCC was worse for BYU's RPI than their nonconference schedule was). |
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 11, 2022 14:19:34 GMT -5
So I looked at the 2021 win/loss records of last year's non-conference opponent's versus those of the 2022 non-conference opponents. Some notes: -Records and RPI are at the time of selection. At first, I had a hard time tracking down that version of RPI, so I initially went with the final RPI, thinking it wouldn't make that much of a difference. When I eventually did find the selection RPI, I realized I was wrong. For example, UNLV won the volleyball version of the NIT, so that added five wins and zero losses when the final RPI was calculated, and their RPI increased from 61 all the way to 38. -The RPI numbers are unadjusted RPI rather than the adjusted figures. My understanding is that opponent record uses unadjusted RPI. -When calculating the opponent winning percentage component of the RPI, results against the team in question (in this case, BYU) are ignored. So for example, Utah's record at the time of selection was 21-8. But their loss to BYU is ignored in this calculation, so their record is 21-7 for this purpose. -Dixie State is transitioning to D1, so they didn't count toward BYU's RPI last season (thankfully). This leaves 10 NC games for each year. With all that out of the way, here is what I found after plugging all the numbers in a spreadsheet:  The win/loss records for last year's opponents were a combined 180-102 (.638), which actually isn't that bad. The bigger issue was the lack of quality win opportunities, with just Pitt and Utah in the top 25 and High Point in the top 50. Meanwhile, the opponents on this year's schedule had a combined win/loss record of 205-85 (.707). Pitt, Georgia Tech, Ohio State and Utah were all in the top 25, and Washington State was in the top 50, with Cincinnati just outside at 52. BYU's total 2021 opponent win/loss record (including conference) was 406-328 (.553). I calculated that if everything else stayed the same, BYU's total opponent win/loss record with the 2022 non-conference schedule would have been 431-311 (.581). I'm not exactly sure how much that would have improved BYU's RPI, but I do think 28 points in that component (which is 50% of the RPI's formula) would not have been insignificant. Now, obviously, things change from season to season. For example, I don't think Utah will be as good without Dani Drews, and I think Ohio State's record may be a bit worse just because their schedule is so difficult. Conversely, San Francisco probably won't go winless again. But this gives some idea of the kind of impact that better non-conference scheduling can have. Moving to the Big 12 should have an even larger (much larger, really) impact on BYU's RPI than scheduling a strong non-conference schedule versus an underwhelming one. The main difference is that the bottom two thirds of the WCC is a lot worse than what the bottom two thirds of the Big 12 should be. More on that at another time. But for now, I'm excited that BYU has put together a non-conference schedule that has opportunities for good wins and should test the team against strong competition prior to the tournament. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jun 11, 2022 21:17:16 GMT -5
If BYU would just recruit the best 5 recruits in the country every year, and make sure none of them ever get injured or go on missions or transfer, and develop them into the best players in the world, and get out of the WCC and join the BIG and schedule all the best teams, and get the highest RPI, we would win the "natty" every single year!!!!! See how easy it is? I am so volleyball smart. Actually beba, if BYU could just recruit a good L and a DS every 3 years, they would be just fine. Maddie was decent but didn't like Heather so she left and other than her, the current BYU staff has struck out on every DS/L because none of them are close to elite. Mary Lake was offered by Shawn Olmstead. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 11, 2022 21:20:22 GMT -5
If BYU would just recruit the best 5 recruits in the country every year, and make sure none of them ever get injured or go on missions or transfer, and develop them into the best players in the world, and get out of the WCC and join the BIG and schedule all the best teams, and get the highest RPI, we would win the "natty" every single year!!!!! See how easy it is? I am so volleyball smart. Actually beba, if BYU could just recruit a good L and a DS every 3 years, they would be just fine. Maddie was decent but didn't like Heather so she left and other than her, the current BYU staff has struck out on every DS/L because none of them are close to elite. Mary Lake was offered by Shawn Olmstead. You think Heather Olmstead, the recruiting coordinator at BYU at the time, had nothing to do with Mary Lake's recruitment? You're that credulous? |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jun 11, 2022 21:23:56 GMT -5
beba, bbg95, hujak (the 3 BYU coaches) are you reading somewhere that someone said scheduling is easy? I didn't see anyone make a comment about whether or not scheduling is easy or hard. Maybe I missed something. Hard schedules for BYU is a must given their weak WCC schedule. Their weak pre-season schedule last season cost them big time in NCAA tourney seeding. BYU's RPI was not good enough for a top 12 seed. It is too bad because they had a team who could have competed for a final 4 berth and probably beaten Purdue if BYU had allowed themselves to play some top teams even if that met losing a few hard fought matches. They certainly appear to have learned their lesson and really upped the strength of schedule this year. Good for them. An E.Kentucky, Rice or UCF would jump at the chance to play BYU. Not that hard of a scheduling issue. Teams are rewarded for playing hard schedules and I was making the point that BYU could put another couple of tough teams into the schedule and been just fine. The thought that bbg95 had that BYU probably wouldn't want a tougher schedule is what has me laughing. You have got to be kidding? Playing hard teams is what makes you better and focuses your weaknesses for improvement. This current schedule is fine and much much better than last season, but it isn't elite. You want a challenging schedule, not necessarily a ridiculously tough one. Depends on the kind of team you are. 2022 BYU isn't 2019 Stanford. This isn't really a hard concept to grasp. As I've said many times, last year's schedule was disappointing. This one is quite good. Maybe not perfect but definitely good. You're also assuming that BYU didn't try to schedule tough teams last year. Given their recent scheduling history (look at their 2018 and 2019 schedules), this seems like a dumb assumption. My guess is that they did try, but for whatever reason, it just didn't work out for that particular season. Maybe you could explain the Stanford schedule of last year to everyone since you are sure that a ridiculously tough schedule is bad? They weren't that good last year but what did their schedule look like? Maybe try Nebraska's schedule also. This isn't a football schedule where a team gets beat up by playing super physical teams week after week. The teams aren't even allowed on the opponent's side of the net. Harder scheduling is needed at BYU. Neb has a super tough conference schedule and still managed to find a spot for Utah?? Good for Utah for scheduling tough. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 11, 2022 21:26:13 GMT -5
You want a challenging schedule, not necessarily a ridiculously tough one. Depends on the kind of team you are. 2022 BYU isn't 2019 Stanford. This isn't really a hard concept to grasp. As I've said many times, last year's schedule was disappointing. This one is quite good. Maybe not perfect but definitely good. You're also assuming that BYU didn't try to schedule tough teams last year. Given their recent scheduling history (look at their 2018 and 2019 schedules), this seems like a dumb assumption. My guess is that they did try, but for whatever reason, it just didn't work out for that particular season. Maybe you could explain the Stanford schedule of last year to everyone since you are sure that a ridiculously tough schedule is bad? They weren't that good last year but what did their schedule look like? Maybe try Nebraska's schedule also. This isn't a football schedule where a team gets beat up by playing super physical teams week after week. The teams aren't even allowed on the opponent's side of the net. Harder scheduling is needed at BYU. Neb has a super tough conference schedule and still managed to find a spot for Utah?? Good for Utah for scheduling tough. Can you read? I said Stanford in 2019, not last year. 2019 Stanford was a defending national champion with nearly everyone back. 2022 BYU isn't. I never said BYU shouldn't schedule tougher than they did last year. I've said they should many times. But they don't need the toughest schedule in the country. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jun 11, 2022 21:29:46 GMT -5
I know it was Shawn Olmstead who made the offer. If it was Heather's knowledge and evaluation, why hasn't she hit on an elite or even just a good DS/L since she has been the head coach? I will give her half credit for Madi. But there hasn't been anyone else. She even took a girl out of a JC and she never saw the floor in 2 years on the team. Based simply on track record of Heather recruiting passers, you will have a hard time aligning the facts in your favor. Mary has been gone for 2 seasons now.
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 11, 2022 21:31:31 GMT -5
I know it was Shawn Olmstead who made the offer. If it was Heather's knowledge and evaluation, why hasn't she hit on an elite or even just a good DS/L since she has been the head coach? I will give her half credit for Madi. But there hasn't been anyone else. She even took a girl out of a JC and she never saw the floor in 2 years on the team. Based simply on track record of Heather recruiting passers, you will have a hard time aligning the facts in your favor. Mary has been gone for 2 seasons now. Shawn Olmstead made the offer because he was the head coach. But obviously, the recruiting coordinator is involved in recruiting. You don't know anything. Edit: Also, Heather Olmstead was a very good libero in her own right as a player. But Shawn Olmstead didn't want her opinion? Come on. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 11, 2022 21:33:41 GMT -5
Do you have any clue how difficult scheduling is? No this person definitely doesn’t 😂 they don’t seem to know how difficult anything is when it comes to coaching, recruiting, etc. I actually hope they become a college coach, it would be cool to see a perfect coach! 😊 Also, if you look at their most recent arguments, national team quality liberos apparently grow on trees, if only Heather Olmstead would recruit them. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jun 11, 2022 21:39:07 GMT -5
Maybe you could explain the Stanford schedule of last year to everyone since you are sure that a ridiculously tough schedule is bad? They weren't that good last year but what did their schedule look like? Maybe try Nebraska's schedule also. This isn't a football schedule where a team gets beat up by playing super physical teams week after week. The teams aren't even allowed on the opponent's side of the net. Harder scheduling is needed at BYU. Neb has a super tough conference schedule and still managed to find a spot for Utah?? Good for Utah for scheduling tough. Can you read? I said Stanford in 2019, not last year. 2019 Stanford was a defending national champion with nearly everyone back. 2022 BYU isn't. I never said BYU shouldn't schedule tougher than they did last year. I've said that more times than I can count. But they don't need the toughest schedule in the country. Maybe I can't read. But even with my struggles in reading it appears you avoided my question by not looking at Stanford's schedule last season when all of their national championship players were gone. How did Kevin schedule his team last year? He might be a better coach than Heather even though he is at home coaching his team and Heather is with Dan on the U21 National Team? How do you explain Stanford's ridiculously hard schedule last season with a team that was super young and inexperienced? You are the one who made the comment about not wanting ridculously hard schedules because somehow it would hurt a team. |
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