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Post by beba on Jun 15, 2022 12:38:04 GMT -5
OK smart guy, you know so much. Post your list of the liberos and ds athletes BYU should sign in the next 3 years. This will make it so much easier for them.
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jun 15, 2022 12:47:54 GMT -5
It seems that in all this speculation about who will start that Elyse Stowell has been lost. She was very highly touted and I believe started a few games during her freshman year...what is the scoop on her?? The eye-ball test says that Callahan is a bit quicker in foot speed and therefore her approach. Both hitters appear to have about the same arm swing. The question I have is about ball placement. We didn't really see enough playing time for Stowell to see if her placement and feel for the flow of the offense in a match situation was better than Callahan's. Again, this comes down to coaching and playing time decisions. Olmstead doesn't want to give bench players many sets in a season. That is just the way she is. With the relatively easy schedule last year, Meyer, Callahan and Stowell (at a min) deserved more playing time. Lots of 3-0 sweeps but she kept a very short bench. At one point, W Bower was pulled from the line up because of poor decision making on a California trip and Hifo was put in. Hifo went on to record 2 times the assists that Bower had in her prior set and BYU won instead of losing the set like Bower did. Instead of allowing Hifo to continue in the next set after her success, Olmstead panics and puts Bower back into the match so "people" won't get mad. That is when Hifo decided that the transfer portal would be used. So that one decision coupled with Meyer knowing she wasn't given a straight shot at starting or even playing resulted in both players leaving the program. Yes, I believe Meyer had higher upside than Bower and Hifo. The domino effect was that BYU had to cancel their spring vb matches this year when Bower goes down with a knee injury. How much will that hurt team development for the up coming season? It isn't a positive, that's for sure. Practice players are sometimes much different that "match players" both in terms of pressure and performance. With the BYU system it is very difficult to get a handle on players who may be "gamers" and sit on the bench. Play more players in easy matches, schedule better teams and don't have favorites. That will lead to more success. I am awaiting the naysayers to blast me on this thread but the info is true. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jun 15, 2022 13:11:06 GMT -5
I know it was Shawn Olmstead who made the offer. If it was Heather's knowledge and evaluation, why hasn't she hit on an elite or even just a good DS/L since she has been the head coach? I will give her half credit for Madi. But there hasn't been anyone else. She even took a girl out of a JC and she never saw the floor in 2 years on the team. Based simply on track record of Heather recruiting passers, you will have a hard time aligning the facts in your favor. Mary has been gone for 2 seasons now. Shawn Olmstead made the offer because he was the head coach. But obviously, the recruiting coordinator is involved in recruiting. You don't know anything. Edit: Also, Heather Olmstead was a very good libero in her own right as a player. But Shawn Olmstead didn't want her opinion? Come on. I didn't say that Shawn didn't want Heather's opinion. Again, Shawn made the call with all of the available info. He was correct. The logic you are using would apply to the current staff. Hyte is the recruiting coordinator so the misses of the last 6 years at L could be blamed on him or we could say that Heather approved of all the offers and hold the head coach responsible. Actually, I have heard that some names were offered by assistant coaches and Heather didn't feel that they were the best fits for whatever reason. The current passing issue is the biggest draw on the program. It was solely responsible for earlier exits from the NCAA's than BYU should have had and yet the big PR is on the hitter, MB's, and setter recruits. Focus has to change to passing and defense to get to the next level where Shawn had the team. I know, I know, I don't know anything. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 15, 2022 14:06:48 GMT -5
The eye-ball test says that Callahan is a bit quicker in foot speed and therefore her approach. Both hitters appear to have about the same arm swing. The question I have is about ball placement. We didn't really see enough playing time for Stowell to see if her placement and feel for the flow of the offense in a match situation was better than Callahan's. Again, this comes down to coaching and playing time decisions. Olmstead doesn't want to give bench players many sets in a season. That is just the way she is. With the relatively easy schedule last year, Meyer, Callahan and Stowell (at a min) deserved more playing time. Lots of 3-0 sweeps but she kept a very short bench. At one point, W Bower was pulled from the line up because of poor decision making on a California trip and Hifo was put in. Hifo went on to record 2 times the assists that Bower had in her prior set and BYU won instead of losing the set like Bower did. Instead of allowing Hifo to continue in the next set after her success, Olmstead panics and puts Bower back into the match so "people" won't get mad. That is when Hifo decided that the transfer portal would be used. So that one decision coupled with Meyer knowing she wasn't given a straight shot at starting or even playing resulted in both players leaving the program. Yes, I believe Meyer had higher upside than Bower and Hifo. The domino effect was that BYU had to cancel their spring vb matches this year when Bower goes down with a knee injury. How much will that hurt team development for the up coming season? It isn't a positive, that's for sure. Practice players are sometimes much different that "match players" both in terms of pressure and performance. With the BYU system it is very difficult to get a handle on players who may be "gamers" and sit on the bench. Play more players in easy matches, schedule better teams and don't have favorites. That will lead to more success. I am awaiting the naysayers to blast me on this thread but the info is true. Actually, your info about Meyer and why she left is definitely not true. Good try though friend. You make a lot of assumptions without actually knowing any facts. I'm also amused at their claim that Olmstead "panicked" by putting her reigning WCC Player of the Year back in the match. Oh, okay. I'm not even sure which match they're talking about. I remember Bower getting benched in the spring during the loss to Pepperdine, but then she responded with arguably the best match of her entire career the next night. I don't recall her getting benched for poor decision making in the fall, though maybe I'm forgetting something. Actually, I just looked at Hifo's stats, and she had 18 assists all season. So per usual, this poster appears to be just making things up. |
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Post by beba on Jun 16, 2022 10:40:18 GMT -5
Hey marn, we're still waiting for that list...
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Post by alpo on Jun 16, 2022 14:28:38 GMT -5
Shawn Olmstead made the offer because he was the head coach. But obviously, the recruiting coordinator is involved in recruiting. You don't know anything. Edit: Also, Heather Olmstead was a very good libero in her own right as a player. But Shawn Olmstead didn't want her opinion? Come on. I didn't say that Shawn didn't want Heather's opinion. Again, Shawn made the call with all of the available info. He was correct. The logic you are using would apply to the current staff. Hyte is the recruiting coordinator so the misses of the last 6 years at L could be blamed on him or we could say that Heather approved of all the offers and hold the head coach responsible. Actually, I have heard that some names were offered by assistant coaches and Heather didn't feel that they were the best fits for whatever reason. The current passing issue is the biggest draw on the program. It was solely responsible for earlier exits from the NCAA's than BYU should have had and yet the big PR is on the hitter, MB's, and setter recruits. Focus has to change to passing and defense to get to the next level where Shawn had the team. I know, I know, I don't know anything. |
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Post by alpo on Jun 16, 2022 14:30:29 GMT -5
The eye-ball test says that Callahan is a bit quicker in foot speed and therefore her approach. Both hitters appear to have about the same arm swing. The question I have is about ball placement. We didn't really see enough playing time for Stowell to see if her placement and feel for the flow of the offense in a match situation was better than Callahan's. Again, this comes down to coaching and playing time decisions. Olmstead doesn't want to give bench players many sets in a season. That is just the way she is. With the relatively easy schedule last year, Meyer, Callahan and Stowell (at a min) deserved more playing time. Lots of 3-0 sweeps but she kept a very short bench. At one point, W Bower was pulled from the line up because of poor decision making on a California trip and Hifo was put in. Hifo went on to record 2 times the assists that Bower had in her prior set and BYU won instead of losing the set like Bower did. Instead of allowing Hifo to continue in the next set after her success, Olmstead panics and puts Bower back into the match so "people" won't get mad. That is when Hifo decided that the transfer portal would be used. So that one decision coupled with Meyer knowing she wasn't given a straight shot at starting or even playing resulted in both players leaving the program. Yes, I believe Meyer had higher upside than Bower and Hifo. The domino effect was that BYU had to cancel their spring vb matches this year when Bower goes down with a knee injury. How much will that hurt team development for the up coming season? It isn't a positive, that's for sure. Practice players are sometimes much different that "match players" both in terms of pressure and performance. With the BYU system it is very difficult to get a handle on players who may be "gamers" and sit on the bench. Play more players in easy matches, schedule better teams and don't have favorites. That will lead to more success. I am awaiting the naysayers to blast me on this thread but the info is true. Actually, your info about Meyer and why she left is definitely not true. Good try though friend. You make a lot of assumptions without actually knowing any facts. |
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Post by alpo on Jun 16, 2022 14:36:27 GMT -5
Okay obviously you have some info that we don't on Meyer...I thought she left because of her brother and his leaving the BYU program...and osmosis took place. I also had heard that Zeo wasn't a good locker room influence...but, I was sad that Meyer left the women's volleyball team. I must admit that I love Bower's hustle and enthusiasm and her always striving to lift her team...but, I always thought Meyer was the more talented one and should of been given a shot...oh well...I hope the incoming setters give Bower some competition. I think the next class (which will be in the Big 12) will definitely need a strong setter/leader.
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 16, 2022 15:12:09 GMT -5
Okay obviously you have some info that we don't on Meyer...I thought she left because of her brother and his leaving the BYU program...and osmosis took place. I also had heard that Zeo wasn't a good locker room influence...but, I was sad that Meyer left the women's volleyball team. I must admit that I love Bower's hustle and enthusiasm and her always striving to lift her team...but, I always thought Meyer was the more talented one and should of been given a shot...oh well...I hope the incoming setters give Bower some competition. I think the next class (which will be in the Big 12) will definitely need a strong setter/leader. I don't have any inside information and don't really want to speculate on possible reasons not related to playing time, but timeline wise, Meyer transferred out before her brother left the men's program. Anyway, I wouldn't worry about Whitney Bower too much if she's healthy. She's a great setter. As for the Big 12, Bower should be in her final year of eligibility the first year in 2023. In terms of the succession plan after she finishes, they added Briley Decker as a recruit after the transfer, and while she wasn't as highly ranked, she was still in the top 150. And they have Silina Dumuni coming in 2023. BYU has had a pretty good recent track record with setters with Bower and LHE, so I think they'll be fine in that department. Passing is what needs to be addressed. |
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Post by beba on Jun 16, 2022 16:42:55 GMT -5
Don't worry, marn will soon be providing us with the definitive recruiting list for libero and ds in the coming years. Then the passing will be great.
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jun 18, 2022 23:56:34 GMT -5
The eye-ball test says that Callahan is a bit quicker in foot speed and therefore her approach. Both hitters appear to have about the same arm swing. The question I have is about ball placement. We didn't really see enough playing time for Stowell to see if her placement and feel for the flow of the offense in a match situation was better than Callahan's. Again, this comes down to coaching and playing time decisions. Olmstead doesn't want to give bench players many sets in a season. That is just the way she is. With the relatively easy schedule last year, Meyer, Callahan and Stowell (at a min) deserved more playing time. Lots of 3-0 sweeps but she kept a very short bench. At one point, W Bower was pulled from the line up because of poor decision making on a California trip and Hifo was put in. Hifo went on to record 2 times the assists that Bower had in her prior set and BYU won instead of losing the set like Bower did. Instead of allowing Hifo to continue in the next set after her success, Olmstead panics and puts Bower back into the match so "people" won't get mad. That is when Hifo decided that the transfer portal would be used. So that one decision coupled with Meyer knowing she wasn't given a straight shot at starting or even playing resulted in both players leaving the program. Yes, I believe Meyer had higher upside than Bower and Hifo. The domino effect was that BYU had to cancel their spring vb matches this year when Bower goes down with a knee injury. How much will that hurt team development for the up coming season? It isn't a positive, that's for sure. Practice players are sometimes much different that "match players" both in terms of pressure and performance. With the BYU system it is very difficult to get a handle on players who may be "gamers" and sit on the bench. Play more players in easy matches, schedule better teams and don't have favorites. That will lead to more success. I am awaiting the naysayers to blast me on this thread but the info is true. Actually, your info about Meyer and why she left is definitely not true. Good try though friend. You make a lot of assumptions without actually knowing any facts. What info have I said about Meyer isn't accurate? She didn't want to sit for 3 full years behind W Bower without an opportunity to play. That is the biggest part of her now being at LBSU. I could ask BYU why they recruit without a long term plan on not just who is on their radar but maybe more importantly why they don't review their current roster with the same eye. One that is keeping players happy and with correct expectations. If Meyer was going to be happy sitting for 3 years and not playing ..... BYU was feed information that was crazy bad. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jun 19, 2022 0:19:33 GMT -5
Okay obviously you have some info that we don't on Meyer...I thought she left because of her brother and his leaving the BYU program...and osmosis took place. I also had heard that Zeo wasn't a good locker room influence...but, I was sad that Meyer left the women's volleyball team. I must admit that I love Bower's hustle and enthusiasm and her always striving to lift her team...but, I always thought Meyer was the more talented one and should of been given a shot...oh well...I hope the incoming setters give Bower some competition. I think the next class (which will be in the Big 12) will definitely need a strong setter/leader. There were questions about Meyer being a fit for BYU from the get go. I have no idea if those are valid opinions but part of the recruiting process at BYU should be to figure out the likelihood of a player being comfortable at BYU. Sometimes they will miss. Not much that can be done about that. My biggest concern is that there seems to be zero realization or planning on BYU's part that a player of her quality wouldn't be happy not playing for 3 years. Who thinks that isn't an issue for a top player? SD will not give Bower any competition, not because she isn't a talented setter, but because their is zero chance Heather will replace Bower with SD. This AZ setter doesn't appear to be a big talent. Probably won't ever see the court except if Bower gets hurt. That will be a big problem for this upcoming year. SD will provide consistent back up ability and she has the talent to do the job if she has to. What I am amazed at is that BYU didn't get a top 2022 setter. But I continue to go back to the end game of WB playing until 2023 and the younger Bower coming into the program in 2024. Despite the conjecture by one on this board, the younger Bower setter will be 18 this year and will be a junior. She will be physically ready to take the reins for BYU when she comes in. Probably will graduate early and get to BYU campus to compete with SD in Jan of 2024. The rough patch is this fall if WB is unable to play for any reason. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jun 19, 2022 0:30:19 GMT -5
I have been told that Alex Bower is older than SD so physically she will not be intimidated by competing for the job despite the fact that she is 2024 vs SD as a 2023. Particularly with Heather's knowledge of Alex and the Bower family. We will see as time marches on as to what will happen. That's my bet.
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jun 19, 2022 0:59:51 GMT -5
Hey marn, we're still waiting for that list... My list will include getting dead wood off the roster and the backrow.... that includes a Bower. Unfortunately the 2022 L's are spoken for .... the top ones anyway. So, rather than get on other west coast clubs 16 teams I would focus on local Utah talent and put several potential L's on the BYU roster and see who sticks while combing through the 2023's. The 2 L's on the V 17 -2 team and probably the South County 18 team twins are L's even though one of them wants to be a S she is really only good enough to be a passer. Invite all 4 of the girls over the course of the next 2 years and I bet you will get a legit passer or 2. Certainly BYU can find other west coast girls who can pass. But I am not confident in their judgement. The best ball handler on the entire west coast in the 2022 class went to San Jose State with no big boys even showing interest. BYU could have nailed her with a simple amount of interest. She is a Mary Lake type. But on down the road with another miss. |
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Post by beba on Jun 19, 2022 13:08:55 GMT -5
No names, sigh...
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