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Post by bbg95 on Aug 20, 2022 20:44:34 GMT -5
The live stats are here. Since players were moving between teams, the stats need to be merged, but here are the probable starters (first three sets only): Livingston: 19-3-33 (.485), 7 digs, 1 ace, 1 block Gneiting: 12-3-19 (.474), 5 blocks Llarenas: 8-1-13 (.538), 3 blocks W. Bower 2-0-5 (.400), 29 assists, 6 digs, 2 aces, 1 block E. Bower 8-3-24 (.208), 6 digs, 2 blocks, 2 aces Grimmer: 4-1-17 (.176), 5 digs, 3 blocks, 1 ace McComber: 9 digs, 3 aces, 4 assists, 0 reception errors Knudsen: 8 digs, 2 aces, 1 assist, 3 reception errors With this in mind, here are some other observations: -Livingston looked fantastic. It definitely seems like she'll be playing six rotations, and she looked reasonably effective (not RJP level) out of the back row. -Gneiting also looked really good, and I think her blocking was especially improved, as that was the area that I think took the most time to return post mission -Llarenas really impressed me to the point that I think the dropoff between Eschenberg and her might not be so bad -Whitney Bower looked like her usual self, and I wouldn't have thought that she had a knee surgery if I didn't know about it -Eden Bower looked pretty solid overall, especially for a freshman. It will be interesting to see how she develops -Grimmer's stats don't look that great, but she played a lot with non-Bower setters. I think she looked very good when playing with Bower -McComber looked very good--she's a player that I've really come to appreciate since she transferred to BYU last season -I have major question marks about the other back row players, which I've covered in previous comments -Callahan and Stowell looked about the same as last season. Montoya looked better, though she barely played in the scrimmage last season -I thought the other freshmen looked decent, though none really stood out. Moravec and Decker haven't been on campus as long as the others, though -Speaking of Moravec, she intrigues me. She doesn't look quite ready yet, but considering that she never lifted weights before, I think she has potential -Overall, this looks like about a Sweet 16 team to me, though we'll know a lot more when they play Ohio State, Pitt and Georgia Tech. |
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Post by mintonetteman on Aug 20, 2022 20:50:49 GMT -5
I think she's a lock to start the season. Is she a lock the entire season? I don't know. I'm not all that sold on her. I'm much more confident in McComber. It's a shame that Akana chose Texas over BYU. She would have solved a lot of the issues that were created by Allen's transfer. I hope that I'm wrong and that Knudsen turns out to be a great player at BYU. But nothing about her career at Saint Mary's or what I saw in this scrimmage makes me think that will be the case. Dayton and Knudsen are comparable? Oh boy. I do remember we targeted Knudsen when we played St. Mary's -- I do remember that very well. But comparing her to Dayton man alive--that scares me. I do remember Knudsen having good energy. And, it is not just our serve receive. My issue is also our defense, our inability to pick up tips, and overall lack of athleticism. McComber is by no means a great athlete -- but she moves okay. I heard the incoming freshman were all pretty good athletes so I was hoping one of them prove to be a Stetler or Lyman...I can't believe we don't have a single sophomore or freshman pin that can do that. |
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 20, 2022 20:52:48 GMT -5
I think she's a lock to start the season. Is she a lock the entire season? I don't know. I'm not all that sold on her. I'm much more confident in McComber. It's a shame that Akana chose Texas over BYU. She would have solved a lot of the issues that were created by Allen's transfer. I hope that I'm wrong and that Knudsen turns out to be a great player at BYU. But nothing about her career at Saint Mary's or what I saw in this scrimmage makes me think that will be the case. Dayton and Knudsen are comparable? Oh boy. I do remember we targeted Knudsen when we played St. Mary's -- I do remember that very well. But comparing her to Dayton man alive--that scares me. I do remember Knudsen having good energy. And, it is not just our serve receive. My issue is also our defense, our inability to pick up tips, and overall lack of athleticism. McComber is by no means a great athlete -- but she moves okay. I heard the incoming freshman were all pretty good athletes so I was hoping one of them prove to be a Stetler or Lyman...I can't believe we don't have a single sophomore or freshman pin that can do that. I think Knudsen is better than Dayton. I don't think she's as good as McComber, Allen or Reinert. I'm pretty pessimistic about our back row at the moment. Heather Olmstead is a tremendous coach, but she has got to figure out how to fix what's plagued the passing for the past three seasons. |
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Post by azvb on Aug 20, 2022 21:07:54 GMT -5
So, the other Bower sister, actually I think she’s married, is she still on the team? Supposed to be the next Mary Lake?
It would be a great feel good story if Llarenas played. She’s definitely put in her time.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 20, 2022 21:09:49 GMT -5
So, the other Bower sister, actually I think she’s married, is she still on the team? Supposed to be the next Mary Lake? It would be a great feel good story if Llarenas played. She’s definitely put in her time. I don't think she was ever supposed to be the next Mary Lake (I think Madi Allen was supposed to be that), but yes, she's still on the team. |
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Post by azvb on Aug 20, 2022 21:16:05 GMT -5
So, the other Bower sister, actually I think she’s married, is she still on the team? Supposed to be the next Mary Lake? It would be a great feel good story if Llarenas played. She’s definitely put in her time. I don't think she was ever supposed to be the next Mary Lake (I think Madi Allen was supposed to be that), but yes, she's still on the team. Oh, you’re probably right. Did she play at all in the scrimmage? |
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Post by pelagius on Aug 20, 2022 21:17:34 GMT -5
Bwf gave use the passing stats from last year when Knudsen transferred: 47.1% good pass. McComber was 44.3%. Given the same conference those are pretty comparable. BYU probably played better teams out of conference, but Knudsen played the best serving team in the conference twice (BYU), and McComber did not. McComber and Knudsen are in the same passing tier unless one of them has improved dramatically. Nothing I saw today suggest either one is a significantly different player.
I agree McComber is a better defensive player. On the other hand, Knudsen's setting is better (based on the small sample of today) than McComber. Given, how many first balls Bower takes that's actually an important factor at libero for BYU.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 20, 2022 21:18:00 GMT -5
I don't think she was ever supposed to be the next Mary Lake (I think Madi Allen was supposed to be that), but yes, she's still on the team. Oh, you’re probably right. Did she play at all in the scrimmage? Yeah, she played a little. She had two digs. |
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 20, 2022 21:19:35 GMT -5
Bwf gave use the passing stats from last year when Knudsen transferred: 47.1% good pass. McComber was 44.3%. Given the same conference those are pretty comparable. BYU probably played better teams out of conference, but Knudsen played the best serving team in the conference twice (BYU), and McComber did not. McComber and Knudsen are in the same passing tier unless one of them has improved dramatically. Nothing I saw today suggest either one is a significantly different player.
I agree McComber is a better defensive player. On the other hand, Knudsen setting is better (based on the small sample of today) than McComber. Given, how many first balls Bower takes that's actually an important factor at libero for BYU. I'm not sure I agree that Knudsen's setting is better. I think I might say it's worse (if we're going just by what we saw at the scrimmage--I don't have a strong opinion on Knudsen as an out-of-system setter at Saint Mary's). If we're going just by the stats from the scrimmage, McComber had three assists, and Knudsen had one. Either way, neither is as good in that department as Allen was. I agree that it's an important factor with Bower setting. As for the passing, I believe Knudsen was about comparable with Allen in good pass % last season, but Allen wasn't a great passer. And while I wasn't grading every pass (this is where not having the stream is really annoying--I would love to go back and watch how everyone was passing with more precision than I could live), I will note that Knudsen got aced three times while McComber at least managed to not get aced. Like I said, I'm pessimistic about the back row, and I hope I'm wrong. |
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Post by movb on Aug 20, 2022 21:50:44 GMT -5
Knudsen picked up her passing after she got aced. And two of the times she got aced, the ball totally looked like it was going out. I'm optimistic about Knudsen and McComber taking care of the back row. They both read the game very well because of their beach volleyball background.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 20, 2022 21:56:37 GMT -5
Knudsen picked up her passing after she got aced. And two of the times she got aced, the ball totally looked like it was going out. I'm optimistic about Knudsen and McComber taking care of the back row. They both read the game very well because of their beach volleyball background. I hope you're right. One thing is that it did seem like Bower set the middle a lot, so maybe the passing was okay. We'll find out when the real matches start. |
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Post by pelagius on Aug 20, 2022 22:00:24 GMT -5
If we're going just by the stats from the scrimmage, McComber had three assists, and Knudsen had one. Either way, neither is as good in that department as Allen was. Knudsen has nice hands in terms of setting for a Libero. Watch her setting mechanics. They are pretty good. I may be over inferring from how much I liked her hands, but from a small sample I think that's a better indicator than the other stuff. |
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 20, 2022 22:02:04 GMT -5
If we're going just by the stats from the scrimmage, McComber had three assists, and Knudsen had one. Either way, neither is as good in that department as Allen was. Knudsen has a nice hands in terms of setting for a Libero. Watch her setting mechanics. They are pretty good. I may be over inferring from how much I liked her hands, but from a small sample I think that's a better indicator than the other stuff. We'll see. I'll admit that I wasn't all that focused on watching her setting mechanics. It will be nice when we have some actual video to watch next week. Since BYU's first six matches are all at home and feature some good opponents, we'll have a much larger sample size with high-quality video to inform our thoughts. |
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Post by Zazu on Aug 21, 2022 11:36:53 GMT -5
So, the other Bower sister, actually I think she’s married, is she still on the team? Supposed to be the next Mary Lake? It would be a great feel good story if Llarenas played. She’s definitely put in her time. She's still on the team. Yes, she's married, and is now listed as Morgan Clinger on the roster. She played a bit yesterday, but is clearly the last option for back row play at this point, and I don't see that changing. |
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 22, 2022 18:19:06 GMT -5
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