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Post by ay2013 on Aug 27, 2022 14:49:40 GMT -5
Right. Figure out who it was, ban them forever and kick them out of school. Unless they've had prior issues, I don't think kicking someone out of school is the best way of handling this. Some of these may be foolish young teenagers who need to learn a hard lesson, but be given the opportunity to correct their behavior and hopefully their entire attitude. Maybe I'm being too lenient though. I just don't like making decisions without getting all the information. If a college student is *smart* enough to get into BYU, they are smart enough to know that harassing a visiting player with racial epithets and threatening her with physical violence is NOT tolerated. Being kicked out of schools seems like a very appropriate response. |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 27, 2022 14:56:24 GMT -5
Unless they've had prior issues, I don't think kicking someone out of school is the best way of handling this. Some of these may be foolish young teenagers who need to learn a hard lesson, but be given the opportunity to correct their behavior and hopefully their entire attitude. Maybe I'm being too lenient though. I just don't like making decisions without getting all the information. If a college student is *smart* enough to get into BYU, they are smart enough to know that harassing a visiting player with racial epithets and threatening her with physical violence is NOT tolerated. Being kicked out of schools seems like a very appropriate response. Yeah, it's not like this is East Texas or rural Georgia. This is racially diverse Utah. They should know better. They probably knew of someone that knew someone that had met an African American a couple hundred miles away from where they grew up. |
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Post by Zazu on Aug 27, 2022 14:59:07 GMT -5
Unless they've had prior issues, I don't think kicking someone out of school is the best way of handling this. Some of these may be foolish young teenagers who need to learn a hard lesson, but be given the opportunity to correct their behavior and hopefully their entire attitude. Maybe I'm being too lenient though. I just don't like making decisions without getting all the information. If a college student *smart* enough to get into BYU, they are smart enough to know that harassing a visiting player with racial epithets and threatening her with physical violence is NOT tolerated. Being kicked out of schools seems like a very appropriate response. I would like to see them identify the people, have them sit down personally and listen to the player, the player's family, her teammates, the coaching staff and anyone else affected by this. I want them to have to hear how their behavior ruined the experience for them, caused them to feel threatened for their safety, and then issue a personal apology for doing so. Then they can do whatever they like as punishment. I don't know if the player or her family would be willing to do that at this point because they probably don't feel safe, or maybe she would feel even worse doing that, so perhaps BYU has already lost that opportunity by not addressing the issue at the time it happened. |
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 27, 2022 15:02:38 GMT -5
Apparently, the fan was identified and banned.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Aug 27, 2022 15:03:05 GMT -5
Unless they've had prior issues, I don't think kicking someone out of school is the best way of handling this. Some of these may be foolish young teenagers who need to learn a hard lesson, but be given the opportunity to correct their behavior and hopefully their entire attitude. Maybe I'm being too lenient though. I just don't like making decisions without getting all the information. If a college student is *smart* enough to get into BYU, they are smart enough to know that harassing a visiting player with racial epithets and threatening her with physical violence is NOT tolerated. Being kicked out of schools seems like a very appropriate response. Pretty sure BYU's 70% acceptance rate would be much higher if not for the fact that there are more LDS kids than there are spaces available each year. Not sure there is realistically much of a standard for admission. |
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Post by hipsterfilth on Aug 27, 2022 15:05:39 GMT -5
Apparently, the fan was identified and banned. This is a good posthaste (re)action, but it's incredible to me that something like this can happen repeatedly during a match, and the person isn't kicked out of the venue in the moment. That means every single person sitting next to and near this person allowed the threats to persist. That says much more about BYU and the state of its student body than any tweet in retrospect ever could. |
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Post by trojansc on Aug 27, 2022 15:06:57 GMT -5
Directly calling someone a racial slur is definitely grounds to get kicked out of a school. It poses a danger to other students, obviously of color, at the school. That's not a time for a 'learning experience' to me.
There are other microaggressions and general insensitivity/examples of ignorance that I think can be used as 'learning experience' but, this is not one.
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Post by dodger on Aug 27, 2022 15:11:02 GMT -5
Apparently, the fan was identified and banned. Not enough not good enough: press charges: why didnt your “god fearing” students in student section respond: do whats right: no they sat there and let it happen!! And Duke lets go: did you see it know it: stop playing and walk out: Stand up a be counted: Cowards |
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Post by Zazu on Aug 27, 2022 15:12:39 GMT -5
If a college student is *smart* enough to get into BYU, they are smart enough to know that harassing a visiting player with racial epithets and threatening her with physical violence is NOT tolerated. Being kicked out of schools seems like a very appropriate response. Pretty sure BYU's 70% acceptance rate would be much higher if not for the fact that there are more LDS kids than there are spaces available each year. Not sure there is realistically much of a standard for admission. The standard is very high academically actually. LDS kids tend to be very good academically, so it is very, very difficult for even very good students to get in these days. The demand is far above the supply. However, just because people are good at academics doesn't mean they aren't still foolish teenagers.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 27, 2022 15:12:42 GMT -5
If a college student is *smart* enough to get into BYU, they are smart enough to know that harassing a visiting player with racial epithets and threatening her with physical violence is NOT tolerated. Being kicked out of schools seems like a very appropriate response. Pretty sure BYU's 70% acceptance rate would be much higher if not for the fact that there are more LDS kids than there are spaces available each year. Not sure there is realistically much of a standard for admission. Acceptance rate isn't really the best metric. The average ACT score is 29 (91st percentile), and the average high school GPA is 3.86. |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 27, 2022 15:14:22 GMT -5
Apparently, the fan was identified and banned. This is a good posthaste (re)action, but it's incredible to me that something like this can happen repeatedly during a match, and the person isn't kicked out of the venue in the moment. That means every single person sitting next to and near this person allowed the threats to persist. That says much more about BYU and the state of its student body than any tweet in retrospect ever could. I will say it's tough to be the one who steps out and says something is not okay. Way easier to hope someone else will do that. As someone who constantly puts myself out there to say something is not right, only to be thanked by a ton of people later, I can attest most people just don't do it naturally. There is a legitimate fear of unforeseen consequences that unfortunately my brain doesn't process, and so it's not part of the equation for me. But for most normal people it's a huge factor. I'm still with you, though. It feels like someone official should have done something sooner. It's shocking to me anyone at Duke would bring it up as a serious grievance only to have it fall on deaf ears. That's not right. And while making an apology this strong by representatives at BYU is for sure the right way to go, as you're saying it doesn't change that in the moment nothing happened. |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 27, 2022 15:15:21 GMT -5
Pretty sure BYU's 70% acceptance rate would be much higher if not for the fact that there are more LDS kids than there are spaces available each year. Not sure there is realistically much of a standard for admission. The standard is very high academically actually. LDS kids tend to be very good academically, so it is very, very difficult for even very good students to get in these days. The demand is far above the supply. However, just because people are good at academics doesn't mean they aren't still foolish teenagers.
This person wasn't a student. I don't know why we're going on about students at BYU when they clearly state this person didn't attend school there, even though they were in the student section. |
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 27, 2022 15:15:26 GMT -5
Apparently, the fan was identified and banned. This is a good posthaste (re)action, but it's incredible to me that something like this can happen repeatedly during a match, and the person isn't kicked out of the venue in the moment. That means every single person sitting next to and near this person allowed the threats to persist. That says much more about BYU and the state of its student body than any tweet in retrospect ever could. Right! Like apparently a police officer was summoned to guard her at the bench. In what world is that the response rather than removing the threat? SMH. |
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Post by Zazu on Aug 27, 2022 15:17:38 GMT -5
Apparently, the fan was identified and banned. Not enough not good enough: press charges: why didnt your “god fearing” students in student section respond: do whats right: no they sat there and let it happen!! And Duke lets go: did you see it know it: stop playing and walk out: Stand up a be counted: Cowards Were you there? Do you know for sure what happened? I was there and I don't even know for sure what happened because of course I was too far away. Making decisions based upon one person's social media posts is never a good idea. |
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Post by hipsterfilth on Aug 27, 2022 15:20:44 GMT -5
Pretty sure BYU's 70% acceptance rate would be much higher if not for the fact that there are more LDS kids than there are spaces available each year. Not sure there is realistically much of a standard for admission. Acceptance rate isn't really the best metric. The average ACT score is 29 (91st percentile), and the average high school GPA is 3.86. Wasn't at all my intention to start this discussion, but there's a lot to be said for homeschooling and the LDS' relationship to "science". Incredible that someone scoring in the 30's on the ACT also somehow has never been taught about cells and learned about sexual reproduction and evolution two years after college.* * This person did not study sciences at BYU, so I am sure those classes cover those things, but it's a real example of a friend of mine in NYC. I also recommend "Educated" by Tara Westover which covers her life growing up fundamental LDS and attending BYU. |
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