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Post by slxpress on Aug 27, 2022 15:21:58 GMT -5
Not enough not good enough: press charges: why didnt your “god fearing” students in student section respond: do whats right: no they sat there and let it happen!! And Duke lets go: did you see it know it: stop playing and walk out: Stand up a be counted: Cowards Were you there? Do you know for sure what happened? I was there and I don't even know for sure what happened because of course I was too far away. Making decisions based upon one person's social media posts is never a good idea. I do not believe the person making the social media posts was there, either. It's obvious something untoward happened, given BYU's swift response. It's also clear to me that based on their response, more should have been done during the match. We're also talking about a word that's the biggest lightning rod word in society - which the perpetrator knew when they were saying it. That was part of the thrill for him, and the shock for everyone else. |
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Post by dodger on Aug 27, 2022 15:22:59 GMT -5
This is a good posthaste (re)action, but it's incredible to me that something like this can happen repeatedly during a match, and the person isn't kicked out of the venue in the moment. That means every single person sitting next to and near this person allowed the threats to persist. That says much more about BYU and the state of its student body than any tweet in retrospect ever could. I will say it's tough to be the one who steps out and says something is not okay. Way easier to hope someone else will do that. As someone who constantly puts myself out there to say something is not right, only to be thanked by a ton of people later, I can attest most people just don't do it naturally. There is a legitimate fear of unforeseen consequences that unfortunately my brain doesn't process, and so it's not part of the equation for me. But for most normal people it's a huge factor. I'm still with you, though. It feels like someone official should have done something sooner. It's shocking to me anyone at Duke would bring it up as a serious grievance only to have it fall on deaf ears. That's not right. And while making an apology this strong by representatives at BYU is for sure the right way to go, as you're saying it doesn't change that in the moment nothing happened. Why we both agree something more was needed i am not excusing student body: look at apology: we pride our selves on being gods children: LDS majority of student body ; i am not talking about a scare single student : i am saying the power of a student body at your back seems to be enough: BYU - failed: athletic admin. and coaches. -failed: BYU LDS students -failed, Duke Staff failed. Post good behavior: seek to press charges : ban entire student section: and if I am coaching a team and we play there next weekend i call and forfiet!💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽 |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 27, 2022 15:23:44 GMT -5
Acceptance rate isn't really the best metric. The average ACT score is 29 (91st percentile), and the average high school GPA is 3.86. Wasn't at all my intention to start this discussion, but there's a lot to be said for homeschooling and the LDS' relationship to "science". Incredible that someone scoring in the 30's on the ACT also somehow has never been taught about cells and learned about sexual reproduction and evolution two years after college.* * This person did not study sciences at BYU, so I am sure those classes cover those things, but it's a real example of a friend of mine in NYC. I also recommend "Educated" by Tara Westover which covers her life growing up fundamental LDS and attending BYU. The person wasn't a student at BYU. Just wanted to repeat that, in case we keep going down a rabbit hole regarding BYU's unique student body and their overarching guiding principles as an institution of higher education. |
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Post by dodger on Aug 27, 2022 15:24:17 GMT -5
Not enough not good enough: press charges: why didnt your “god fearing” students in student section respond: do whats right: no they sat there and let it happen!! And Duke lets go: did you see it know it: stop playing and walk out: Stand up a be counted: Cowards Were you there? Do you know for sure what happened? I was there and I don't even know for sure what happened because of course I was too far away. Making decisions based upon one person's social media posts is never a good idea. You should be banned too!!! |
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Post by Zazu on Aug 27, 2022 15:25:07 GMT -5
The standard is very high academically actually. LDS kids tend to be very good academically, so it is very, very difficult for even very good students to get in these days. The demand is far above the supply. However, just because people are good at academics doesn't mean they aren't still foolish teenagers.
This person wasn't a student. I don't know why we're going on about students at BYU when they clearly state this person didn't attend school there, even though they were in the student section. I only read the original twitter, so I was only responding to posters here. Obviously, I should listen to myself and get more information before responding. Sometimes I just get tired of the knee-jerk reactions that seem so common these days. I've seen it in myself, and I don't like it. It does not help the situation for me or anyone else. |
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Post by hipsterfilth on Aug 27, 2022 15:28:47 GMT -5
Wasn't at all my intention to start this discussion, but there's a lot to be said for homeschooling and the LDS' relationship to "science". Incredible that someone scoring in the 30's on the ACT also somehow has never been taught about cells and learned about sexual reproduction and evolution two years after college.* * This person did not study sciences at BYU, so I am sure those classes cover those things, but it's a real example of a friend of mine in NYC. I also recommend "Educated" by Tara Westover which covers her life growing up fundamental LDS and attending BYU. The person wasn't a student at BYU. Just wanted to repeat that, in case we keep going down a rabbit hole regarding BYU's unique student body and their overarching guiding principles as an institution of higher education. My point is that the guiding principles of an institution of higher education should be called into question when something like this is allowed to persist throughout a match. If your guiding principles don't lead your students to doing something or saying something, well then... not exactly sure what they're for. Fin. |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 27, 2022 15:29:18 GMT -5
I will say it's tough to be the one who steps out and says something is not okay. Way easier to hope someone else will do that. As someone who constantly puts myself out there to say something is not right, only to be thanked by a ton of people later, I can attest most people just don't do it naturally. There is a legitimate fear of unforeseen consequences that unfortunately my brain doesn't process, and so it's not part of the equation for me. But for most normal people it's a huge factor. I'm still with you, though. It feels like someone official should have done something sooner. It's shocking to me anyone at Duke would bring it up as a serious grievance only to have it fall on deaf ears. That's not right. And while making an apology this strong by representatives at BYU is for sure the right way to go, as you're saying it doesn't change that in the moment nothing happened. Why we both agree something more was needed i am not excusing student body: look at apology: we pride our selves on being gods children: LDS majority of student body ; i am not talking about a scare single student : i am saying the power of a student body at your back seems to be enough: BYU - failed: athletic admin. and coaches. -failed: BYU LDS students -failed, Duke Staff failed. Post good behavior: seek to press charges : ban entire student section: and if I am coaching a team and we play there next weekend i call and forfiet!💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽 You don't sound realistic. I'm not telling you you're wrong. I'm saying that's not what happens in the real world. Charges aren't going to be pressed. The student section isn't going to get banned. Teams aren't going to call and forfeit instead of playing there. Pitchforks and torches will be wielded on social media. There's a decent chance this person's name gets out, and then his life is in all likelihood going to be ruined. He might lose his job. It's certainly happened before. Google searches will find him for years after this. So if you're so hard pressed to demand human sacrifice here, that's what I'd root for in this case. Join the crowd that bombards his employment with messages. I'm sure plenty of people will message him that he should kill himself. Always room for one more. But the charges, the banning, and the forfeits have no chance of occurring. |
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 27, 2022 15:30:22 GMT -5
I don't get why NO ONE did anything, even if just calling out the student who did it. The player could have said something to him, but on the other hand I'd imagine she wouldn't want to engage him (which is what he probably wanted) and was probably afraid. No fellow students, teammates or players from the opposing side, coaches/assistant coaches, referees, parents, etc. I get it's a very tense situation and it's not "easy," but still. Sometimes I think people seize up when confronted with real life behavior in real time because they're used to the barrier that dealing with people via technology provides. Flip side, plenty of people still deal with other people in real life and real time.
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Post by nikkigsmith on Aug 27, 2022 15:30:40 GMT -5
BYU fans are some of the most vile. On the mens side it’s just as bad. BYU needs to address this, and so does heather. A statement needs to be made. Teams should boycott playing there until this is address and changes are made. It tends to be the student section who’s the worst. It's 2022 and you still have plenty of YOUNG white people, in public, effectively normalizing crazy racist behavior. And then these are the same people, and their oblivious Fox News watching enablers, that want to COMPLAIN about people being "woke" about racial justice because it's contrary to the apparently colorblind society we have....smh. 👏🏾👏🏾 It has gotten really bad over the last 4 to 5 yrs. |
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 27, 2022 15:31:50 GMT -5
Acceptance rate isn't really the best metric. The average ACT score is 29 (91st percentile), and the average high school GPA is 3.86. Wasn't at all my intention to start this discussion, but there's a lot to be said for homeschooling and the LDS' relationship to "science". Incredible that someone scoring in the 30's on the ACT also somehow has never been taught about cells and learned about sexual reproduction and evolution two years after college.* * This person did not study sciences at BYU, so I am sure those classes cover those things, but it's a real example of a friend of mine in NYC. Most LDS people are not home schooled. And it's impossible to graduate from BYU without taking at least a few science classes. All due respect, but I'm not going to continue a back and forth over the academic standards at BYU with someone who clearly has no idea what they're talking about. |
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Post by austintatious on Aug 27, 2022 15:32:29 GMT -5
The fan identified and banned.
Wasn't a BYU student.
Are we to believe it was just one person? BYU has a history of poor student behavior.
Sounds more like deflecting rather than accepting any responsibility to fix.
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Post by jordan on Aug 27, 2022 15:34:05 GMT -5
I’ve been at a BYU match at a neutral location and their fan section was completely unhinged - both students and parents yelling and screaming insults at the refs whenever a call didn’t go their way and screeching at their own players and coaches. I’ve never seen anything like it.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Aug 27, 2022 15:34:14 GMT -5
Why we both agree something more was needed i am not excusing student body: look at apology: we pride our selves on being gods children: LDS majority of student body ; i am not talking about a scare single student : i am saying the power of a student body at your back seems to be enough: BYU - failed: athletic admin. and coaches. -failed: BYU LDS students -failed, Duke Staff failed. Post good behavior: seek to press charges : ban entire student section: and if I am coaching a team and we play there next weekend i call and forfiet!💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽 There's a decent chance this person's name gets out, and then his life is in all likelihood going to be ruined. He might lose his job. It's certainly happened before. Google searches will find him for years after this. He made a conscious choice to be a hateful and vitriolic person because another human deigned to enter his local university's gymnasium and be who they are. Are you suggesting he can't control himself and shouldn't be expected to? Why do you feel so bad for him? Does his world view based in fantasy and his inability to control himself make him qualified for most public or private jobs? Help me understand why you feel so badly for him. Feel free to DM me, since this thread has taken enough of a left turn and I ain't goin' down like that. |
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Post by bprtbone on Aug 27, 2022 15:37:18 GMT -5
Did the Duke coaching staff know? I would have taken my team off the court immediately.
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Post by Zazu on Aug 27, 2022 15:38:55 GMT -5
Were you there? Do you know for sure what happened? I was there and I don't even know for sure what happened because of course I was too far away. Making decisions based upon one person's social media posts is never a good idea. You should be banned too!!! That's one way of dealing with me. Maybe you should appeal to the mods and see if you can make that happen. Edited: If anything I've said on here is worthy of being banned, then I don't want to be on this forum. |
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