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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Feb 13, 2021 23:18:43 GMT -5
Have you taken a class at a university any time within the last few decades? yes...but now I don't put up with it and let me professor know when I am not impressed. I am paying for the class so keep your politics to yourself. I am not interested . I’m guessing it wasn’t an English class.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 13, 2021 23:27:55 GMT -5
yes...but now I don't put up with it and let me professor know when I am not impressed. I am paying for the class so keep your politics to yourself. I am not interested . I’m guessing it wasn’t an English class. One of them was but I was motivated to edit. My grade depended on it.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Feb 13, 2021 23:45:17 GMT -5
I’m guessing it wasn’t an English class. One of them was but I was motivated to edit. My grade depended on it. Fair enough.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 14, 2021 0:22:58 GMT -5
One of them was but I was motivated to edit. My grade depended on it. Fair enough. Lol. You got me there though.
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Post by bluepenquin on Feb 14, 2021 8:00:21 GMT -5
Poll these questions and see how they compare. 1) Do you believe in the right for a women to choose on reproductive rights. 2) Do you believe that a baby in the womb has a right to life. Phrasing matters. Calling something Pro Choice is going to poll better than Pro Abortion. It is not an accident Abortion rights are usually referred to Pro Choice and not Pro Abortion. How do you think the poll on "school choice" would go if the question was: "do you favor using taxpayer's money to support private schools?" Different - and that is the point. The phrasing of the question will bias the results.
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Post by donut on Feb 14, 2021 10:14:15 GMT -5
"Do you favor or oppose raising the federal minimum wage to $15.00 an hour?" Please explain where the bias is in this question. Bump.
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Post by bluepenquin on Feb 14, 2021 17:27:51 GMT -5
"Do you favor or oppose raising the federal minimum wage to $15.00 an hour?" Please explain where the bias is in this question. Bump. Probably not more or less biased than "Do you favor or oppose School Choice". Both are going to poll better than if there was a full understanding of the implications. Another example I mentioned earlier' "Do you favor or oppose the Patriot Act (back when this was under consideration).
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Post by c4ndlelight on Feb 14, 2021 17:31:25 GMT -5
LOL "school choice" is not a specific policy plan. There are a variety of different implications and meanings behind it. Minimum wage at $15 is a specific course of action, and everyone is clear about what it means when they answer. And finally, the school choice Q is not an instance of BIAS. It's an instance of an unclear, non-specific question whose results would clearly be misinterpreted / overstated.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 14, 2021 17:48:59 GMT -5
This conversation is so circular. bluepenquin is convinced that: 1) "Do you favor changing the minimum wage to be $15/hr?" is a biased question even though it is extremely unambiguous and is a straight yes/no, but 2) "Do you favor 'school choice'?" is a perfectly fine question even though it is nebulous what it means. Try this series of questions: 1) "Do you think that parents should be allowed to place their children into private schools?" 2) "Do you think that taxpayers should pay for children to be educated in private schools?" That separates out the two elements of "school choice" into two separate questions. IMO, neither question is inherently biased. It would be interesting, however, to try the experiment of asking each of them separately, asking them in the order I just listed, and asking them in the opposite order. Would those result in significantly different response percentages? I don't know.
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Post by donut on Feb 14, 2021 17:52:46 GMT -5
Probably not more or less biased than "Do you favor or oppose School Choice". Both are going to poll better than if there was a full understanding of the implications. Another example I mentioned earlier' "Do you favor or oppose the Patriot Act (back when this was under consideration). ... a question that doesn't list out the "full implications" is not biased. Can you find one source that supports your definition of bias? It's so bizarre. Regardless, fun exercise: write an "unbiased" version of that question: "Do you favor or oppose raising the federal minimum wage to $15.00 an hour?" Time starts now.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 14, 2021 17:58:42 GMT -5
Hey bluepenquin, speaking of "school choice", what would you say to the idea of vouchers that can only be used for secular private schools which have the same restrictions on religious education as public schools? Obviously if churches can't be taxed because of the first amendment, then tax money can't be spent on religious schools, right?
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 14, 2021 17:59:59 GMT -5
Probably not more or less biased than "Do you favor or oppose School Choice". Both are going to poll better than if there was a full understanding of the implications. Another example I mentioned earlier' "Do you favor or oppose the Patriot Act (back when this was under consideration). ... a question that doesn't list out the "full implications" is not biased. Can you find one source that supports your definition of bias? It's so bizarre. Regardless, fun exercise: write an "unbiased" version of that question: "Do you favor or oppose raising the federal minimum wage to $15.00 an hour?" Time starts now. He already provided his idea of that, which was to feed the responder a bunch of claims about minimum wage making unemployment rise, and then asking them whether they favored it.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Feb 14, 2021 18:03:45 GMT -5
... a question that doesn't list out the "full implications" is not biased. Can you find one source that supports your definition of bias? It's so bizarre. Regardless, fun exercise: write an "unbiased" version of that question: "Do you favor or oppose raising the federal minimum wage to $15.00 an hour?" Time starts now. He already provided his idea of that, which was to feed the responder a bunch of claims about minimum wage making unemployment rise, and then asking them whether they favored it. But remember, you had to tell them it would make unemployment rise but NOT that it would bring almost a million people out of poverty.
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Post by bluepenquin on Feb 14, 2021 22:02:45 GMT -5
Hey bluepenquin , speaking of "school choice", what would you say to the idea of vouchers that can only be used for secular private schools which have the same restrictions on religious education as public schools? Obviously if churches can't be taxed because of the first amendment, then tax money can't be spent on religious schools, right? Correct, I think I addressed this in a previous thread. This would be a great idea. Throw out our current idea of Public School (Secular) and Private School (Religious) - and think in terms of all school is private - funded by tax dollars for which 'Religious' schools wouldn't be part of the tax funded money. Of course Religious schools can still keep their tax exemption - but this would be small in comparison. To me - this isn't about Public schools being non-secular. This isn't about promoting a specific religion (I am a big Religious Freedom guy - but this doesn't mean implicit Government sponsor of one religion). This is about creating an environment where these private (secular) schools are held accountable to the children/parents via the market. Where 'bad' schools go away and are replaced by better ones. Create some kind of 'cap' system that would create some equity between kids from poor and rich parents if we need to. There has to be a solution that would increase the quality of our schools (or weed out bad schools) while maintaining some form of 'equity'. It may not be everything I would want - but it could be a Huge improvement.
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Post by bluepenquin on Feb 14, 2021 22:14:04 GMT -5
Probably not more or less biased than "Do you favor or oppose School Choice". Both are going to poll better than if there was a full understanding of the implications. Another example I mentioned earlier' "Do you favor or oppose the Patriot Act (back when this was under consideration). Regardless, fun exercise: write an "unbiased" version of that question: "Do you favor or oppose raising the federal minimum wage to $15.00 an hour?" Time starts now. I cannot - I don't think it can be done. That is part of the reason why I think it is a bad idea to legislate based on public opinion polls. If 51 senators think it is a good idea after weighing all the evidence for and against - then pass the law. But don't do it because 65% support in a public poll while having not studied the evidence for and against. I am marginally opposed to the $15 minimum wage law as I understand it. I do think there is a big difference between $15 in NYC or LA than some place in the middle of nowhere - and for this reason, I think minimum wage laws work better at the state or local level. $15 really isn't that much - it would create less havoc than something like $20 - which I believe would be a giant employment killer. To me - 1.4M job loss is a bigger deal than the increased wages for some people.
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