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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 20:45:47 GMT -5
hoolie, feel free to post ALL your responses to the CRAP thread. Then we all know where to go for all your fabulous thoughts.
Thanks, in advance.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2021 20:46:31 GMT -5
In other Senate Democrat news, it seems like many of them are committed to no particular political project other than making things worse than they could be. Just keep asking yourself, "would I rather that Mitch was in charge?" These "moderate Democrats" are making a power play just like any other Senators make power plays. They have been at the low end of the power totem pole for a long time now, and suddenly they are now the swing votes that all the politically-sexier Democrats need to keep happy. Hopefully they will remember that swing voting power usually comes and goes very quickly, and if they don't want to be marginalized (again) then they can't make too many enemies. For me, all this just confirms what I already believed about the Democratic Party. They had a very very low bar to clear of "$2000 checks and a $15 minimum wage" and couldn't even manage that.
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 5, 2021 20:50:02 GMT -5
Just keep asking yourself, "would I rather that Mitch was in charge?" These "moderate Democrats" are making a power play just like any other Senators make power plays. They have been at the low end of the power totem pole for a long time now, and suddenly they are now the swing votes that all the politically-sexier Democrats need to keep happy. Hopefully they will remember that swing voting power usually comes and goes very quickly, and if they don't want to be marginalized (again) then they can't make too many enemies. For me, all this just confirms what I already believed about the Democratic Party. They had a very very low bar to clear of "$2000 checks and a $15 minimum wage" and couldn't even manage that. I know. But the problem is the Senate. Hell, we wouldn't have gotten anything if not for the good people of Georgia coming through. If the Democrats had picked up seats in Maine and North Carolina, it would have made a big difference. You realize Manchin could hand the Senate back to Mitch tomorrow if he switched parties, right?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 20:51:34 GMT -5
Why is this on the Democratic "party" mervin? This is a few senators WITH NO SUPPORT FROM THE GOP.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2021 20:52:08 GMT -5
For me, all this just confirms what I already believed about the Democratic Party. They had a very very low bar to clear of "$2000 checks and a $15 minimum wage" and couldn't even manage that. I know. But the problem is the Senate. Hell, we wouldn't have gotten anything if not for the good people of Georgia coming through. If the Democrats had picked up seats in Maine and North Carolina, it would have made a big difference. You realize Manchin could hand the Senate back to Mitch tomorrow if he switched parties, right? Yes, I'm aware. I'm sure many of his Democratic colleagues wish he would. It'd take them off the hook of having to actually *do* something.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 20:53:38 GMT -5
This cynicism is really grating. You don't give people credit for anything, do you? There are plenty of Democratic politicians working very hard to do something. But I guess it's a lot easier to just lump everyone together as horrible.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2021 20:53:44 GMT -5
Why is this on the Democratic "party" mervin? This is a few senators WITH NO SUPPORT FROM THE GOP. Because they people trying to slash UI payouts and kill the minimum wage hike are Democrats?
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 5, 2021 20:54:14 GMT -5
Why is this on the Democratic "party" mervin? This is a few senators WITH NO SUPPORT FROM THE GOP. That's a good point. Now would be an excellent time for a few Republicans to start demonstrating their desire for "unity"....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 20:54:40 GMT -5
Simple logic. Some cows are brown. All cows are brown then?
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 5, 2021 20:55:15 GMT -5
Why is this on the Democratic "party" mervin? This is a few senators WITH NO SUPPORT FROM THE GOP. Because they people trying to slash UI payouts and kill the minimum wage hike are Democrats? The only reason they have the power to do it is because the Republicans are standing 0-50 on the issues.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2021 20:55:31 GMT -5
If a political party cannot enact an agenda when it controls the levers of power, is it really due the benefit of the doubt?
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 5, 2021 20:56:40 GMT -5
If a political party cannot enact an agenda when it controls the levers of power, is it really due the benefit of the doubt? This is crap. They don't control the Senate. That's the whole point of the discussion.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2021 20:56:57 GMT -5
Because they people trying to slash UI payouts and kill the minimum wage hike are Democrats? The only reason they have the power to do it is because the Republicans are standing 0-50 on the issues. Yes. And they suck because they want to do things like perpetuate a poverty wage, cut UI benefits, and slash stimulus payments.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 20:57:03 GMT -5
I happen to like the fact that not everyone in the Democratic party follows in lockstep. Even if I disagree with them. Like mike said, the problem is not with the Dems. It's with the so-called mavericks in the GOP. No one will budge.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2021 20:57:20 GMT -5
If a political party cannot enact an agenda when it controls the levers of power, is it really due the benefit of the doubt? This is crap. They don't control the Senate. That's the whole point of the discussion. They *do* control the Senate.
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