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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 20:57:54 GMT -5
The only reason they have the power to do it is because the Republicans are standing 0-50 on the issues. Yes. And they suck because they want to do things like perpetuate a poverty wage, cut UI benefits, and slash stimulus payments. Who does? The Dems? No, they don't.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2021 20:58:05 GMT -5
I happen to like the fact that not everyone in the Democratic party follows in lockstep. Even if I disagree with them. Like mike said, the problem is not with the Dems. It's with the so-called mavericks in the GOP. No one will budge. You like it when Democrats torpedo popular things which will make people's lives better?
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 5, 2021 20:58:58 GMT -5
I happen to like the fact that not everyone in the Democratic party follows in lockstep. Even if I disagree with them. Like mike said, the problem is not with the Dems. It's with the so-called mavericks in the GOP. No one will budge. The problem is with everyone who voted no. That includes a few Dems but is mostly Reps.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 20:59:12 GMT -5
I happen to like the fact that not everyone in the Democratic party follows in lockstep. Even if I disagree with them. Like mike said, the problem is not with the Dems. It's with the so-called mavericks in the GOP. No one will budge. You like it when Democrats torpedo popular things which will make people's lives better? Nope. And I clearly said that. But I'd rather that was the outcome than people just voting along party lines. The problem is with the GOP, not the Dems.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2021 21:00:49 GMT -5
Yes. And they suck because they want to do things like perpetuate a poverty wage, cut UI benefits, and slash stimulus payments. Who does? The Dems? No, they don't. Carper wants to cut the UI benefit. Manchin, et al oppose the $15 minimum wage. This "Bloc of moderate Democrats" wanted to cut stim payments. Those are all Democrats.
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 5, 2021 21:01:03 GMT -5
This is crap. They don't control the Senate. That's the whole point of the discussion. They *do* control the Senate. No. The Senate has so damn many ways to say "no", but it's a lot harder to make it say "yes". They at least have enough control to prevent Mitch from just shutting everything down. But that's about the extent of their control right now.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2021 21:02:04 GMT -5
You like it when Democrats torpedo popular things which will make people's lives better? Nope. And I clearly said that. But I'd rather that was the outcome than people just voting along party lines. The problem is with the GOP, not the Dems. That makes no sense. If you support those things, you'd rather not have them if having them required a party line vote?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 21:02:42 GMT -5
Who does? The Dems? No, they don't. Carper wants to cut the UI benefit. Manchin, et al oppose the $15 minimum wage. This "Bloc of moderate Democrats" wanted to cut stim payments. Those are all Democrats. Again simple: They are all Democrats is not the same as all Democrats want that. 90%+ do not.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2021 21:03:41 GMT -5
They *do* control the Senate. No. The Senate has so damn many ways to say "no", but it's a lot harder to make it say "yes". They at least have enough control to prevent Mitch from just shutting everything down. But that's about the extent of their control right now. That is a choice the Democratic caucus has made. The caucus could change the rules tomorrow if it so desired.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 21:04:00 GMT -5
Nope. And I clearly said that. But I'd rather that was the outcome than people just voting along party lines. The problem is with the GOP, not the Dems. That makes no sense. If you support those things, you'd rather not have them if having them required a party line vote? If that is the choice? Yes. I would rather they voted for what they believe in than what they are told to do. And I wish the GOP had members who did too.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2021 21:04:37 GMT -5
Carper wants to cut the UI benefit. Manchin, et al oppose the $15 minimum wage. This "Bloc of moderate Democrats" wanted to cut stim payments. Those are all Democrats. Again simple: They are all Democrats is not the same as all Democrats want that. 90%+ do not. Where did I say it was all Democrats?
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 5, 2021 21:05:49 GMT -5
No. The Senate has so damn many ways to say "no", but it's a lot harder to make it say "yes". They at least have enough control to prevent Mitch from just shutting everything down. But that's about the extent of their control right now. That is a choice the Democratic caucus has made. The caucus could change the rules tomorrow if it so desired. Only if EVERY ONE OF THEM wanted it, including Harris. And enough of them don't. Besides, what you are complaining about here wasn't blocked by filibuster anyway.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2021 21:07:30 GMT -5
That makes no sense. If you support those things, you'd rather not have them if having them required a party line vote? If that is the choice? Yes. I would rather they voted for what they believe in than what they are told to do. Why? Wouldn't you want the political party you support to do the things you want them to do?
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2021 21:14:09 GMT -5
That is a choice the Democratic caucus has made. The caucus could change the rules tomorrow if it so desired. Only if EVERY ONE OF THEM wanted it, including Harris. And enough of them don't. That's my problem!
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2021 21:24:53 GMT -5
Anyway, going to be really cool to see that clip of Sinema giving a thumbs down to raising working class wages get played on repeat the next four years.
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