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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 21:42:28 GMT -5
Again simple: They are all Democrats is not the same as all Democrats want that. 90%+ do not. Where did I say it was all Democrats? Over and over again you have pointed your finger at the "Democrats."
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Post by HOLIDAY on Mar 5, 2021 21:43:45 GMT -5
Where did I say it was all Democrats? Over and over again you have pointed your finger at the "Democrats." Smart man
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 21:45:27 GMT -5
Anyway, going to be really cool to see that clip of Sinema giving a thumbs down to raising working class wages get played on repeat the next four years. Yep. So fun. Especially if it ends up with a GOP senator replacing her. As for your other question, I don't know how many times I have to tell you: I want people in office who vote for their own principles. I don't want people in there who vote for what their party tells them to, or what polls tell them to, or anything else. I still believe we elect people to do this. I know you don't agree.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2021 21:48:28 GMT -5
Where did I say it was all Democrats? Over and over again you have pointed your finger at the "Democrats." Mike and I were discussing the centrist dems trying to pare down the covid bill. These are the Democrats I'm taking about, for the most part. But I do believe a significant number of them would rather have the excuse of not having the majority if it meant they didn't have to actually be accountable.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2021 21:56:05 GMT -5
Anyway, going to be really cool to see that clip of Sinema giving a thumbs down to raising working class wages get played on repeat the next four years. Yep. So fun. Especially if it ends up with a GOP senator replacing her. As for your other question, I don't know how many times I have to tell you: I want people in office who vote for their own principles. I don't want people in there who vote for what their party tells them to, or what polls tell them to, or anything else. I still believe we elect people to do this. I know you don't agree. Maybe she should recognize she's less popular than a $15 minimum wage and literally any mainstream democrat could have won her seat in 2018 (sort of like the entirely mainstream democrat who won the other AZ seat last year).
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Post by cindra on Mar 5, 2021 22:13:03 GMT -5
Anyway, going to be really cool to see that clip of Sinema giving a thumbs down to raising working class wages get played on repeat the next four years. Yep. So fun. Especially if it ends up with a GOP senator replacing her. As for your other question, I don't know how many times I have to tell you: I want people in office who vote for their own principles. I don't want people in there who vote for what their party tells them to, or what polls tell them to, or anything else. I still believe we elect people to do this. I know you don't agree. The same people who elected Synema just elected Mark Kelly, who voted yes. She isn't a Manchin or a Tester.
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 5, 2021 22:20:17 GMT -5
There could be a COVID relief bill with broad support from both parties if the bill didn't include mostly stuff that has nothing to do with COVID. Instead - the Dems wanted to go alone with what they thought was the max that could get passed.
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Post by n00b on Mar 5, 2021 22:22:02 GMT -5
You like it when Democrats torpedo popular things which will make people's lives better? Nope. And I clearly said that. But I'd rather that was the outcome than people just voting along party lines. The problem is with the GOP, not the Dems. This definitely happens, but don't think the $15 minimum wage is the right example of GOP Senators just voting with the party instead of what they truly believe. Very generally, Republicans are for less regulations on business and more states' rights. I'm not sure how you're a Republican if you'd be for a national $15 minimum wage.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2021 22:25:17 GMT -5
There could be a COVID relief bill with broad support from both parties if the bill didn't include mostly stuff that has nothing to do with COVID. Instead - the Dems wanted to go alone with what they thought was the max that could get passed. The bill which Republicans support wouldn't get enough Democratic support to pass, so this very much isn't true. It wouldn't even get a floor vote.
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 5, 2021 22:27:28 GMT -5
There could be a COVID relief bill with broad support from both parties if the bill didn't include mostly stuff that has nothing to do with COVID. Instead - the Dems wanted to go alone with what they thought was the max that could get passed. You are delusional. The Republicans were in power from March 2020 to January 2021 and they barely managed to pass only one COVID aid bill -- with substantial Democratic support. Of course the Democrats "had to go it alone" because the Republicans made it very clear over the last year that they did not support any further COVID aid.
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 5, 2021 22:32:47 GMT -5
They don't support a 1.9 bill that includes over half that has nothing to do with COVID. Something that is as much of a deficit killer (or more) than the general tax cuts proposed by Republicans.
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 5, 2021 22:38:27 GMT -5
The GOP could have passed a bill ANY TIME if they wanted to, but Mitch refused to let one come to the Senate Floor if it needed Democratic votes to pass. He spent about the last 7 months of 2020 blocking any COVID aid for partisan reasons, and now you are blaming the Democrats for not letting Republicans dictate the content of a COVID bill even though they lost the elections?
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 5, 2021 22:41:21 GMT -5
That statement by Sinema does not even remotely explain the gesture. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/08/27/iconic-thumbs-down-vote-that-summed-up-john-mccains-career/It must be a 'maverick' Arizona thing. When it was time for McCain to vote on repealing Obamacare (which would have been the deciding vote) - he walked up to the front of the chamber, extended his arm, and gave the thumbs down - all while Mitch McConnell was standing right beside him not knowing how he was going to vote. Evidently - this is what you do in Arizona when you buck your party.
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 5, 2021 22:43:30 GMT -5
The GOP could have passed a bill ANY TIME if they wanted to, but Mitch refused to let one come to the Senate Floor if it needed Democratic votes to pass. He spent about the last 7 months of 2020 blocking any COVID aid for partisan reasons, and now you are blaming the Democrats for not letting Republicans dictate the content of a COVID bill even though they lost the elections? I blame both parties and the extremes that run them - that is what they do. If they cannot have the most extreme version of a bill - they would rather have nothing, because compromise in this country at this time is political suicide.
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Post by cindra on Mar 5, 2021 23:07:48 GMT -5
That statement by Sinema does not even remotely explain the gesture. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/08/27/iconic-thumbs-down-vote-that-summed-up-john-mccains-career/It must be a 'maverick' Arizona thing. When it was time for McCain to vote on repealing Obamacare (which would have been the deciding vote) - he walked up to the front of the chamber, extended his arm, and gave the thumbs down - all while Mitch McConnell was standing right beside him not knowing how he was going to vote. Evidently - this is what you do in Arizona when you buck your party. thumbs down is a common thing for senators to do to indicate a no vote. Everyone just remembers the McCain one.
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