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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 5, 2021 23:11:19 GMT -5
"Thumbs down" wasn't the strange bit. It was that little knee dip that was really "WTF?"
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Mar 6, 2021 0:32:12 GMT -5
Haha, she’s voting down a minimum wage increase while sporting a Lululemon bag, preferred brand of well-to-do soccer moms everywhere. I’ll take “Tone Deaf” for $300, Alex!
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 6, 2021 1:23:01 GMT -5
Haha, she’s voting down a minimum wage increase while sporting a Lululemon bag, preferred brand of well-to-do soccer moms everywhere. I’ll take “Tone Deaf” for $300, Alex! I would not have been able to recognize it as a Lululemon bag if she had used it to hit me in the face. I guess I would fail as a soccer mom. They don't appear to be especially expensive though. I mean, OK $130 isn't super cheap. But at least it's not $1300 bag.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Mar 6, 2021 1:47:15 GMT -5
Haha, she’s voting down a minimum wage increase while sporting a Lululemon bag, preferred brand of well-to-do soccer moms everywhere. I’ll take “Tone Deaf” for $300, Alex! You do realize you’re starting to sound like every gay stylist wirh a charge card at Barney’s.How in the hell do you even know what kind of bag it is from that distance? Their in the same vicinity as Calvin Klein? Around the moderate side of designer bags.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 6, 2021 8:09:35 GMT -5
The GOP could have passed a bill ANY TIME if they wanted to, but Mitch refused to let one come to the Senate Floor if it needed Democratic votes to pass. He spent about the last 7 months of 2020 blocking any COVID aid for partisan reasons, and now you are blaming the Democrats for not letting Republicans dictate the content of a COVID bill even though they lost the elections? I blame both parties and the extremes that run them - that is what they do. If they cannot have the most extreme version of a bill - they would rather have nothing, because compromise in this country at this time is political suicide. I think it's pretty clear "extremists" don't run the Democratic party.
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 6, 2021 10:20:45 GMT -5
I blame both parties and the extremes that run them - that is what they do. If they cannot have the most extreme version of a bill - they would rather have nothing, because compromise in this country at this time is political suicide. I think it's pretty clear "extremists" don't run the Democratic party. Depends on one's perspective - I believe they run the Democratic party. There are limits - just like there are limits on the Republican side like the repeal of Obamacare. By and large - neither party is interested in any compromise because the extreme elements will not let them come time for next primary. Only a handful of senators can 'afford' to cross lines - and even that comes with great risk and they usually end up not being a senator. Someone like Murkowski is one of the very few senators that can cross lines w/o paying any political price. Alaska going to their new primary/general election will allow Murkowski to go her own way w/o really being challenged from the right in the future. Alaska may have this right - top 4 candidates in primary advance to general election with rank voting in the general. It is the only way to get rid of the extremism control currently in the national parties.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 6, 2021 11:01:52 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear "extremists" don't run the Democratic party. Depends on one's perspective - I believe they run the Democratic party. There are limits - just like there are limits on the Republican side like the repeal of Obamacare. By and large - neither party is interested in any compromise because the extreme elements will not let them come time for next primary. Only a handful of senators can 'afford' to cross lines - and even that comes with great risk and they usually end up not being a senator. Someone like Murkowski is one of the very few senators that can cross lines w/o paying any political price. Alaska going to their new primary/general election will allow Murkowski to go her own way w/o really being challenged from the right in the future. Alaska may have this right - top 4 candidates in primary advance to general election with rank voting in the general. It is the only way to get rid of the extremism control currently in the national parties. OK, who do you think the "extremists" are who run the Democratic Party, what makes them extremists, and how is that translated to actual actions taken by the Democratic Party (i.e. legislation and policy).
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 6, 2021 13:02:50 GMT -5
Depends on one's perspective - I believe they run the Democratic party. There are limits - just like there are limits on the Republican side like the repeal of Obamacare. By and large - neither party is interested in any compromise because the extreme elements will not let them come time for next primary. Only a handful of senators can 'afford' to cross lines - and even that comes with great risk and they usually end up not being a senator. Someone like Murkowski is one of the very few senators that can cross lines w/o paying any political price. Alaska going to their new primary/general election will allow Murkowski to go her own way w/o really being challenged from the right in the future. Alaska may have this right - top 4 candidates in primary advance to general election with rank voting in the general. It is the only way to get rid of the extremism control currently in the national parties. OK, who do you think the "extremists" are who run the Democratic Party, what makes them extremists, and how is that translated to actual actions taken by the Democratic Party (i.e. legislation and policy). There is virtually no legislation in Washington. There is not any legislation coming from the extreme wing of the Republican party. The fact we don't have legislation is a product of the extremism in both parties.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 6, 2021 13:11:34 GMT -5
OK, who do you think the "extremists" are who run the Democratic Party, what makes them extremists, and how is that translated to actual actions taken by the Democratic Party (i.e. legislation and policy). There is virtually no legislation in Washington. There is not any legislation coming from the extreme wing of the Republican party. The fact we don't have legislation is a product of the extremism in both parties. OK, now do the first two questions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 13:20:23 GMT -5
The Dems cannot win. For true progressives, they are not nearly progressive enough (which is true). For moderates, they are extremists (which is not true). For the nutjobs, they are evil incarnate (also not true, I think).
Meanwhile, they got something done. Good for them.
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Post by n00b on Mar 6, 2021 20:09:55 GMT -5
The Dems cannot win. For true progressives, they are not nearly progressive enough (which is true). For moderates, they are extremists (which is not true). For the nutjobs, they are evil incarnate (also not true, I think). Meanwhile, they got something done. Good for them. I guess it depends on what ‘extremist’ is in relation to. In relation to Americans on the whole, nobody in Congress on either side is an extremist. There are crazy radicals on both sides that could never sniff elected office because of how extreme they are. If you’re speaking in relation to members of Congress, I think ‘extremist’ is just the opposite of moderate. Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders are extremists. Members of the Freedom Caucus and those who affiliate with the DSA are legislative extremists.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Mar 6, 2021 21:14:17 GMT -5
Haha, she’s voting down a minimum wage increase while sporting a Lululemon bag, preferred brand of well-to-do soccer moms everywhere. I’ll take “Tone Deaf” for $300, Alex! I would not have been able to recognize it as a Lululemon bag if she had used it to hit me in the face. I guess I would fail as a soccer mom. They don't appear to be especially expensive though. I mean, OK $130 isn't super cheap. But at least it's not $1300 bag. You don’t spend nearly as much time around soccer moms as I do, fortunately for you. Lulu is a status brand, the go-to $130-$170 yoga pant for upper middle class white folk. They’re ubiquitous in higher priced neighborhoods around the country. All taken together, I found Sinema’s whole look and attitude weirdly Marie Antoinette.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Mar 6, 2021 21:29:38 GMT -5
I would not have been able to recognize it as a Lululemon bag if she had used it to hit me in the face. I guess I would fail as a soccer mom. They don't appear to be especially expensive though. I mean, OK $130 isn't super cheap. But at least it's not $1300 bag. You don’t spend nearly as much time around soccer moms as I do, fortunately for you. Lulu is a status brand, the go-to $130-$170 yoga pant for upper middle class white folk. They’re ubiquitous in higher priced neighborhoods around the country. All taken together, I found Sinema’s whole look and attitude weirdly Marie Antoinette. She definitely put on a show including the curtsy
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 6, 2021 22:37:22 GMT -5
I would not have been able to recognize it as a Lululemon bag if she had used it to hit me in the face. I guess I would fail as a soccer mom. They don't appear to be especially expensive though. I mean, OK $130 isn't super cheap. But at least it's not $1300 bag. You don’t spend nearly as much time around soccer moms as I do, fortunately for you. Lulu is a status brand, the go-to $130-$170 yoga pant for upper middle class white folk. They’re ubiquitous in higher priced neighborhoods around the country. All taken together, I found Sinema’s whole look and attitude weirdly Marie Antoinette. I did know that Lululemon was a brand. Not because of any soccer mom association, but because they are from Seattle. I think so, anyway? I remember reading some "local business" stories about them quite some time ago, when they were new. <Googles Lululemon> OK, not from Seattle. From Vancouver BC. Still generally treated as "local news" around here.
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 7, 2021 8:27:33 GMT -5
There is virtually no legislation in Washington. There is not any legislation coming from the extreme wing of the Republican party. The fact we don't have legislation is a product of the extremism in both parties. OK, now do the first two questions. 1) Sanders/Warren - but it is less about the politician and more about the core supporters that are unwilling to allow them to compromise. 2) They are unwilling to compromise. I will say one area where the R's are worse - they seem more likely to primary out pols that don't follow the 'extreme' elements which has mostly eliminated the Republican from blue states. The D's seem more willing to allow moderate/conservative pols to run in red states (but I do think the D's are going to catch up with the R's on this - it is really an evolution trend that is going to be very hard to stop). Both sides threat of primary pushes their pols to the extremes while in office.
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