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Post by donut on Feb 11, 2021 9:51:18 GMT -5
Well, it wouldn't be a *federal* minimum wage anymore, for starters. It's still a federal law enforced by the federal government. What does that federal law look like? Does it have a table listing every county in the country? Does it simply say that the county's wage amount should be X based on Y index/calculator? The first isn't practical. The second may have constitutional concerns (I'd need to think/research about it a bit). If Congress was interested in pursuing a geography-dependent minimum wage structure, they would likely delegate that to an existing agency or create a new agency. It would be very costly and administration would be significant, and I get the sense you aren't in favor of expanding the administrative state? $15/hour is a paltry amount. There is no reason to get pressed over the fact that $15 goes further in some places than others. No one lives like a king off of $15/hour, regardless of where you live. The actual floor should be much higher, and under your proposal, in most places it would be.
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 11, 2021 9:54:36 GMT -5
Also, TIL Switzerland is a Scandinavian country. For real, though. Geneva is almost closer to Tripoli than it is to Oslo.
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Post by n00b on Feb 11, 2021 10:40:20 GMT -5
So people in red states/areas don’t want this and this it would be massively harmful to employment rate. People in blue states do want this because they don’t think raising the minimum wage would affect employment.
But this basically will ONLY affect red areas and have no effect on blue states/cities because many already have $15+ minimum wage laws.
How is this not simply the government flexing their muscle to show their power? What is the argument for why this should be done at a national level?
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Post by donut on Feb 11, 2021 11:00:25 GMT -5
So people in red states/areas don’t want this and this it would be massively harmful to employment rate. Really? You don't think that cafeteria attendant making $7.25/hour in Houston wants to be paid $15/hour? "So middle class/wealthy people in red states/areas" is what you meant.
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 11, 2021 11:07:52 GMT -5
Florida passed a referendum literally last fall for a $15 minimum wage. $15/hr polls well over 50% among Republicans. But yeah, this is a red state/blue state issue.
We shouldn't do it because it's popular (although it quite obviously is). We should do it because it's morally right.
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Post by n00b on Feb 11, 2021 11:24:44 GMT -5
Florida passed a referendum literally last fall for a $15 minimum wage. $15/hr polls well over 50% among Republicans. But yeah, this is a red state/blue state issue. We shouldn't do it because it's popular (although it quite obviously is). We should do it because it's morally right. Cost of living is pretty highly correlated to red state/blue state. Not necessarily the desire for minimum wage laws. I'm FOR state and local governments having minimum wage laws. It's stupid to force California and Arkansas to have the same one. How can a state like California only get their minimum wage to $12, but we're trying to force $15 on Alabama?
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Post by donut on Feb 11, 2021 11:28:55 GMT -5
Florida passed a referendum literally last fall for a $15 minimum wage. $15/hr polls well over 50% among Republicans. But yeah, this is a red state/blue state issue. We shouldn't do it because it's popular (although it quite obviously is). We should do it because it's morally right. Cost of living is pretty highly correlated to red state/blue state. Not necessarily the desire for minimum wage laws. I'm FOR state and local governments having minimum wage laws. It's stupid to force California and Arkansas to have the same one. How can a state like California only get their minimum wage to $12, but we're trying to force $15 on Alabama? If we accept that $15 is the minimum amount of $$$ someone should be making per hour, then no, it isn't stupid. Again, just because a measly amount of money goes further in one place, doesn't justify giving people who live in that place less than a measly amount.
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 11, 2021 11:30:42 GMT -5
Florida passed a referendum literally last fall for a $15 minimum wage. $15/hr polls well over 50% among Republicans. But yeah, this is a red state/blue state issue. We shouldn't do it because it's popular (although it quite obviously is). We should do it because it's morally right. Cost of living is pretty highly correlated to red state/blue state. Not necessarily the desire for minimum wage laws. I'm FOR state and local governments having minimum wage laws. It's stupid to force California and Arkansas to have the same one. How can a state like California only get their minimum wage to $12, but we're trying to force $15 on Alabama? You said people in red states don't want this and they clearly do. Also, there are currently zero states with a $15 minimum wage.
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Post by n00b on Feb 11, 2021 11:47:28 GMT -5
Cost of living is pretty highly correlated to red state/blue state. Not necessarily the desire for minimum wage laws. I'm FOR state and local governments having minimum wage laws. It's stupid to force California and Arkansas to have the same one. How can a state like California only get their minimum wage to $12, but we're trying to force $15 on Alabama? If we accept that $15 is the minimum amount of $$$ someone should be making per hour, then no, it isn't stupid. Again, just because a measly amount of money goes further in one place, doesn't justify giving people who live in that place less than a measly amount. I don't accept that. I have lived on that amount in a high cost of living area with no roommate. In no way do I find that amount measly. I didn't have cable or go on vacations, but I don't think we need to ensure that Americans can afford those things.
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Post by donut on Feb 11, 2021 11:51:07 GMT -5
If we accept that $15 is the minimum amount of $$$ someone should be making per hour, then no, it isn't stupid. Again, just because a measly amount of money goes further in one place, doesn't justify giving people who live in that place less than a measly amount. I don't accept that. I have lived on that amount in a high cost of living area with no roommate. In no way do I find that amount measly. I didn't have cable or go on vacations, but I don't think we need to ensure that Americans can afford those things. Lol living wage indices don't include cable or going on vacations. But at least you're transparent now that state vs. federal isn't really your main gripe.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 11, 2021 11:54:44 GMT -5
Minimum wage under Reagan was $3.35, which is over $10 today. Shouldn't that at least be unremarkable to Republicans?
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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 11, 2021 11:58:26 GMT -5
So people in red states/areas don’t want this and this it would be massively harmful to employment rate. People in blue states do want this because they don’t think raising the minimum wage would affect employment. But this basically will ONLY affect red areas and have no effect on blue states/cities because many already have $15+ minimum wage laws. How is this not simply the government flexing their muscle to show their power? What is the argument for why this should be done at a national level? This is common sense reasoning. You know that doesn’t work on this site.
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Post by n00b on Feb 11, 2021 12:05:18 GMT -5
Minimum wage under Reagan was $3.35, which is over $10 today. Shouldn't that at least be unremarkable to Republicans? That would be a more reasonable argument than adjusting the federal minimum wage to be higher than any current single state. $9-$10 would seem to be a sensible inflation adjustment. It would also seem that your Reagan numbers would've been the day he was sworn in in '81, not a result of anything he did.
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Post by donut on Feb 11, 2021 12:17:07 GMT -5
Minimum wage under Reagan was $3.35, which is over $10 today. Shouldn't that at least be unremarkable to Republicans? That would be a more reasonable argument than adjusting the federal minimum wage to be higher than any current single state. $9-$10 would seem to be a sensible inflation adjustment. It would also seem that your Reagan numbers would've been the day he was sworn in in '81, not a result of anything he did. Why would that be a sensible inflation adjustment? That assumes that $3.35 in 1980 was the perfect (or I suppose, fair) minimum wage. Why should we assume that? Also what are you using this graph for?
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 11, 2021 12:47:20 GMT -5
That would be a more reasonable argument than adjusting the federal minimum wage to be higher than any current single state. $9-$10 would seem to be a sensible inflation adjustment. It would also seem that your Reagan numbers would've been the day he was sworn in in '81, not a result of anything he did. Why would that be a sensible inflation adjustment? That assumes that $3.35 in 1980 was the perfect (or I suppose, fair) minimum wage. Why should we assume that? Also what are you using this graph for? It was me who suggested that. I tend to support $15 as being fine. The current wage is $7.25. All I was saying was that even the Republicans should agree it needs to be raised, right? If so, then the discussion should change to "raised how much" rather than "raised or not".
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