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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 23:45:12 GMT -5
Unseeded teams that are very dangerous IMO are a healthy GT, UCLA, and Pepperdine.
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Post by vergyltantor on Mar 29, 2021 0:04:44 GMT -5
let’s be real here, a lot of Husker fans (not me lol) would find some reason to discredit a Kentucky win and say that Nebraska would still win 9 of 10 times. Like there are certain situations where a team might be “better” but still lose (I.e. winning total points by a large amount despite still losing in 5), but i can guarantee you that some fans will not accept what happens if Nebraska was to lose the match. But I hope you know that those of us who aren’t extremely biased homers would let the results speak for themselves 😬 this is so refreshing I think both teams would be guilty of this. BTW Nebraska is 9-2 against Kentucky, so Husker fans wouldn't be totally wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 0:11:40 GMT -5
I think both teams would be guilty of this. BTW Nebraska is 9-2 against Kentucky, so Husker fans wouldn't be totally wrong. considering this is probably the weakest Nebraska team (to their very high standards they are still obviously a good team) in a long time and the best UK has been (except maybe 2017) I don’t think the past really matters much. I don’t think Nebraska can’t beat UK I just don’t see how they would be the favorite when they are outclassed at almost every position across the board this time around. Stivrins does terrify me though not gonna lie.
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Post by ay2013 on Mar 29, 2021 0:15:50 GMT -5
Are there actual rules against not having conference teams meet before a regional final?
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Post by ay2013 on Mar 29, 2021 0:28:07 GMT -5
Conference affiliation notwithstanding, these would be my seeds right now:
1- Wisconsin 8- Purdue 9- Florida 16- Utah
2- Kentucky 7- Oregon 10- Ohio State 15- Western Kentucky
3- Texas 6- Nebraska 11- Washington State 14- BYU
4- Minnesota 5- Washington 12- Louisville 13- Baylor
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Post by Resident Bitchy Canadian Fan on Mar 29, 2021 0:39:20 GMT -5
Conference affiliation notwithstanding, these would be my seeds right now: 1- Wisconsin 8- Purdue 9- Florida 16- Utah 2- Kentucky 7- Oregon 10- Ohio State 15- Western Kentucky 3- Texas 6- Nebraska 11- Washington State 14- BYU 4- Minnesota 5- Washington 12- Louisville 13- Baylor omg these matchups would be so hype, especially the potential regional finals if top seeds held through
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Post by trojansc on Mar 29, 2021 0:57:56 GMT -5
Are there actual rules against not having conference teams meet before a regional final? I am not 100% sure, it's been stated but I haven't seen anything concrete, since Nebraska/Penn State met in a regional semifinal in 2016, it has at the very least been *avoided*. Now obviously, in years where one conference gets 9-10 teams into a tournament, it's mathematically impossible to happen, so that would make me think there is no rule. Now, within the 1st/2nd round, it is always avoided, this for sure has been consistent through many years, before 2016. So for the past couple years, I also made sure there were no same-conference re-matches in the Regional Semifinals. Putting the Top 4 teams of the same-conference within the Top 16 seeds in different regionals is what Basketball does. Obviously, that didn't happen last year with Wisconsin at 4 and Nebraska at 5. But, I entertained the idea for these past two editions. I will probably not do this for my Final Projection unless I hear something else. Here is what basketball says: This is the first time a volleyball bracket will be (or is assumed to be) seeded 1-48, which is why I'm even considering drawing from basketball principles. If they are going to go to that depth of seeding, I wouldn't be surprised to see them carry over those principles.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Mar 29, 2021 1:05:07 GMT -5
Unseeded teams that are very dangerous IMO are a healthy GT, UCLA, and Pepperdine. How are you defining dangerous?
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Post by gibbyb1 on Mar 29, 2021 1:05:40 GMT -5
Are there actual rules against not having conference teams meet before a regional final? I am not 100% sure, it's been stated but I haven't seen anything concrete, since Nebraska/Penn State met in a regional semifinal in 2016, it has at the very least been *avoided*. Now obviously, in years where one conference gets 9-10 teams into a tournament, it's mathematically impossible to happen, so that would make me think there is no rule. Now, within the 1st/2nd round, it is always avoided, this for sure has been consistent through many years, before 2016. So for the past couple years, I also made sure there were no same-conference re-matches in the Regional Semifinals. Putting the Top 4 teams of the same-conference within the Top 16 seeds in different regionals is what Basketball does. Obviously, that didn't happen last year with Wisconsin at 4 and Nebraska at 5. But, I entertained the idea for these past two editions. I will probably not do this for my Final Projection unless I hear something else. Here is what basketball says: This is the first time a volleyball bracket will be (or is assumed to be) seeded 1-48, which is why I'm even considering drawing from basketball principles. If they are going to go to that depth of seeding, I wouldn't be surprised to see them carry over those principles. There is no rule
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Post by gibbyb1 on Mar 29, 2021 1:08:20 GMT -5
I think both teams would be guilty of this. BTW Nebraska is 9-2 against Kentucky, so Husker fans wouldn't be totally wrong. considering this is probably the weakest Nebraska team (to their very high standards they are still obviously a good team) in a long time and the best UK has been (except maybe 2017) I don’t think the past really matters much. I don’t think Nebraska can’t beat UK I just don’t see how they would be the favorite when they are outclassed at almost every position across the board this time around. Stivrins does terrify me though not gonna lie. What? The weakest Nebraska team? Outclassed at almost every position? I can’t tell if you’re A. Overly intoxicated with your love of Kentucky. B. Biased against Nebraska. C. Really high
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Post by trojansc on Mar 29, 2021 1:14:33 GMT -5
This is the only thing in the manual from the last normal edition: I still think the committee has avoided the regional semifinal matchups of same-conferences since 2016 because of that specific match. It made no sense to seed USC at #10 and Creighton at #9 in 2017 except to avoid a 8-9 USC/Washington matchup. There have been no potential re-matches of the 16 seeds since that happened. Could be coincidence, could be an unwritten rule. And of course this year, the bracketing policies for the 32 unseeded teams don't matter because geography doesn't have an impact. So, there is no real standard for how the rest of the teams will be seeded. Actually, there really aren't any policies for the 16 top seeds either, for whatever that's worth, since there's no RPI or measurement tools.
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 29, 2021 1:23:09 GMT -5
Don't know where to put this question..Will there be an All-Volleytalk for 2020? There already was.
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Post by badgerbreath on Mar 29, 2021 1:25:27 GMT -5
This is not the weakest Nebraska team. Last years team was weaker, IMO. Akana is an upgrade. Hames is playing better. Stivrins is more central to the attack. Caffrey is an upgrade on Schwarzenbach.
Sun has backslid a bit, and Sweet was better last year, it's true. That can change in the postseason.
As usual, it comes down to the passing.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Mar 29, 2021 1:48:22 GMT -5
This is the only thing in the manual from the last normal edition: I still think the committee has avoided the regional semifinal matchups of same-conferences since 2016 because of that specific match. It made no sense to seed USC at #10 and Creighton at #9 in 2017 except to avoid a 8-9 USC/Washington matchup. There have been no potential re-matches of the 16 seeds since that happened. Could be coincidence, could be an unwritten rule. And of course this year, the bracketing policies for the 32 unseeded teams don't matter because geography doesn't have an impact. So, there is no real standard for how the rest of the teams will be seeded. Actually, there really aren't any policies for the 16 top seeds either, for whatever that's worth, since there's no RPI or measurement tools. Yes. They avoid matchups so there is certainly an unwritten rule. As they aren’t dealing with regional travel and money saving decisions, it’s probably easier to avoid those situations this year.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Mar 29, 2021 1:51:43 GMT -5
This is not the weakest Nebraska team. Last years team was weaker, IMO. Akana is an upgrade. Hames is playing better. Stivrins is more central to the attack. Caffrey is an upgrade on Schwarzenbach. Sun has backslid a bit, and Sweet was better last year, it's true. That can change in the postseason. As usual, it comes down to the passing. Yes, although I disagree that Sun has backslid. I wouldn’t bet money on Nebraska to win it all, but they could. The idea that Kentucky is in another class in regards to talent is at best hyperbolic at worst absurd. As a person somewhat grounded in reality I can live with Kentucky being better, in another class....... ?
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