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Post by Mocha on Jul 25, 2023 0:03:28 GMT -5
One more note on the timing: Back on page 1 of this very thread, there's a repost of a tweet that Northwestern player Alana Walker made on March 18, putting the tweet after the Wisconsin forfeits but before the Indiana forfeits. The tweet was in response to a tweet saying "Kick 'em out", meaning NW volleyball and out of the B1G for the rest of the season. Walker replied "kick us out? let’s not assume. we have NOT postponed our last handful of games due to covid. they were for other reasons. we are not irresponsible. we take volleyball and covid as serious as everyone else in the big ten." So whatever was going on, between this tweet and the forfeits and Davis having been AWOL from the bench for however many matches it was, it sure seems to me that it has to be about a whole lot more than one player having to do some extra running for catching COVID or violating a team protocol, etc. (and no, I'm not condoning that as a punishment; but then I'm a runner at my core, so I have trouble even seeing extra running as a punishment in the first place :-) I'm just glad the player in question wasn't Walker, if I was Davis I'd be scared of her dad. |
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Post by MVBFAN on Jul 25, 2023 0:21:04 GMT -5
One more note on the timing: Back on page 1 of this very thread, there's a repost of a tweet that Northwestern player Alana Walker made on March 18, putting the tweet after the Wisconsin forfeits but before the Indiana forfeits. The tweet was in response to a tweet saying "Kick 'em out", meaning NW volleyball and out of the B1G for the rest of the season. Walker replied "kick us out? let’s not assume. we have NOT postponed our last handful of games due to covid. they were for other reasons. we are not irresponsible. we take volleyball and covid as serious as everyone else in the big ten." So whatever was going on, between this tweet and the forfeits and Davis having been AWOL from the bench for however many matches it was, it sure seems to me that it has to be about a whole lot more than one player having to do some extra running for catching COVID or violating a team protocol, etc. (and no, I'm not condoning that as a punishment; but then I'm a runner at my core, so I have trouble even seeing extra running as a punishment in the first place :-) I'm just glad the player in question wasn't Walker, if I was Davis I'd be scared of her dad. Hardwick? |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 25, 2023 2:41:37 GMT -5
Coach-on-one/The Pit is a common drill. It can also be done in an abusive manner. Most otherwise non-abusive things can be done in an abusive manner. That's one of the main tools abusers use for plausible deniability. |
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Post by n00b on Jul 25, 2023 7:25:35 GMT -5
I will do better than 34-94 in the B1G and not haze my players for less than what they pay Davis. It's always amazed me how much sh*t they've eaten for a sub-.500 coach. I totally agree with you and it’s honestly why I think the admin thinks the complaint is total BS. It would be SO much easier to just pay to have Davis go away. Unless morally and ethically you think it would be wrong to fire him. |
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Post by greatlakesvballer on Jul 25, 2023 7:48:37 GMT -5
I will do better than 34-94 in the B1G and not haze my players for less than what they pay Davis. It's always amazed me how much sh*t they've eaten for a sub-.500 coach. I totally agree with you and it’s honestly why I think the admin thinks the complaint is total BS. It would be SO much easier to just pay to have Davis go away. Unless morally and ethically you think it would be wrong to fire him. They're asking for $50.000. IMO it'd be easier to settle for that, and take volleyball off the table as they deal with more challenging stuff in the football lawsuits. 🤔 |
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Post by lotstodo2023 on Jul 25, 2023 8:26:30 GMT -5
I will do better than 34-94 in the B1G and not haze my players for less than what they pay Davis. It's always amazed me how much sh*t they've eaten for a sub-.500 coach. I totally agree with you and it’s honestly why I think the admin thinks the complaint is total BS. It would be SO much easier to just pay to have Davis go away. Unless morally and ethically you think it would be wrong to fire him. However they admitted it happened. So the complaint isn't BS. How the athlete was handled after that I believe is the issue. At the end of the day, if you have a coach who was disciplined for behavior that could be construed as hazing, keeping him AND giving him a contract extension seems like a huge miss on Northwestern's part. I live in this area. this was the first story on the news last night and this morning. |
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Post by n00b on Jul 25, 2023 8:40:10 GMT -5
I totally agree with you and it’s honestly why I think the admin thinks the complaint is total BS. It would be SO much easier to just pay to have Davis go away. Unless morally and ethically you think it would be wrong to fire him. However they admitted it happened. So the complaint isn't BS. How the athlete was handled after that I believe is the issue. At the end of the day, if you have a coach who was disciplined for behavior that could be construed as hazing, keeping him AND giving him a contract extension seems like a huge miss on Northwestern's part. I live in this area. this was the first story on the news last night and this morning. They admitted that there was a physical punishment for an athlete violating COVID protocol. Does Northwestern Athletics have a policy of no physical punishments? I know schools that do. If they did, I feel like we would've heard about it by now. So they haven't admitted to any wrongdoing in the volleyball case. My argument isn't that the timeline of what happened on that one day is BS, just that it constitutes hazing. Or that a player who wasn't good enough to get any playing time in the 2 years before this incident, only was benched for the next two years because of this. Also, "could be construed as" is doing a LOT of heavy lifting in your argument. That can't be the standard. Every athlete who doesn't get playing time could CONSTRUE those lineup decisions as hazing. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 25, 2023 8:43:50 GMT -5
According to the lawsuit, Jane Doe contracted COVID-19 in February of that year, despite following the team’s COVID guidelines. Despite this, she says, Northwestern volleyball coach Shane Davis and an assistant coach informed her she would need to undergo a “punishment” for violating the guidelines. 2 different takes here... Well, the lawsuit certainly isn't going to say "Jane Doe contracted COVID-19 after breaking the team's COVID guidelines." That's not how you properly lawyer up. Then again, making someone run suicides after having COVID is a terrible idea, and even if Davis tasked the captains with coming up with an appropriate punishment and got that back, he should have responded with an explanation of why that isn't appropriate. Knowing now how basically every liberal college handled covid standard operating procedures and return to play checklists, there is no doubt in my mind she passed whatever tests they made her do and was cleared to return to a full practice. She would have failed the stress/physical test that so many other athletes of other sports across the country did if she wasn't able to play or participate in a normal practice. |
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Post by lotstodo2023 on Jul 25, 2023 8:54:31 GMT -5
Moreover, two players said that the head coach had to sign a document indicating his involvement in the hazing.
Seems like an admission to me.
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Post by lotstodo2023 on Jul 25, 2023 9:03:12 GMT -5
They let go of Fitzgerald who is their prodigal child. I would not be surprised if negotiations are already happening for Shane to quietly leave.
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Post by coachdavid on Jul 25, 2023 10:38:41 GMT -5
www.npr.org/2023/07/24/1189846350/northwestern-hazing-volleyball-lawsuit-football"Doe also alleges she was not permitted to travel with the team [after breaking covid protocols], despite previously having done so." That seems like a very reasonable punishment. Not sure about the running or bleeding because the amount determines the severity and if its abusive or not. Also, the last time I did "Pit" with my girls I mis. Hit and blasted a ds in the face. Felt really bad about that but she laughed it off.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 25, 2023 10:46:30 GMT -5
www.insidenu.com/2023/7/24/23805973/former-northwestern-volleyball-players-corroborate-lawsuit-details-discuss-punishment-shane-davisWhile this looks terrible for Shane, this is a biased based school newspaper that is almost certainly embellishing facts and have players speaking that know they are leaving out context. If they have played for that long to make it to Northwestern, then they have certainly done some, or all forms of the drills mentioned and it should have come as no surprise what was going to happen in said drills. I would love an explanation of why or how she was bleeding, because the reason is that she probably was diving and rolling like a goof, or with extreme laziness resulting in some floor burns. Again, we have all been there. Honestly, again this is not going to look good for him, but some of this reads as the inmates trying to run the asylum and if this is the player culture it really doesn't come as a surprise that they are regularly bad.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Jul 25, 2023 10:57:27 GMT -5
www.insidenu.com/2023/7/24/23805973/former-northwestern-volleyball-players-corroborate-lawsuit-details-discuss-punishment-shane-davisWhile this looks terrible for Shane, this is a biased based school newspaper that is almost certainly embellishing facts and have players speaking that know they are leaving out context. If they have played for that long to make it to Northwestern, then they have certainly done some, or all forms of the drills mentioned and it should have come as no surprise what was going to happen in said drills. I would love an explanation of why or how she was bleeding, because the reason is that she probably was diving and rolling like a goof, or with extreme laziness resulting in some floor burns. Again, we have all been there. Honestly, again this is not going to look good for him, but some of this reads as the inmates trying to run the asylum and if this is the player culture it really doesn't come as a surprise that they are regularly bad. They weren’t bad last season. They more than likely would’ve made the tournament if they didn’t have unfortunate setter injuries. I’m still waiting for the * from the plaintiff of *the real reason was I got caught underage drinking at a party during dry season. |
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Post by robtearle on Jul 25, 2023 11:00:57 GMT -5
www.insidenu.com/2023/7/24/23805973/former-northwestern-volleyball-players-corroborate-lawsuit-details-discuss-punishment-shane-davisWhile this looks terrible for Shane, this is a biased based school newspaper that is almost certainly embellishing facts and have players speaking that know they are leaving out context. If they have played for that long to make it to Northwestern, then they have certainly done some, or all forms of the drills mentioned and it should have come as no surprise what was going to happen in said drills. I would love an explanation of why or how she was bleeding, because the reason is that she probably was diving and rolling like a goof, or with extreme laziness resulting in some floor burns. Again, we have all been there. Honestly, again this is not going to look good for him, but some of this reads as the inmates trying to run the asylum and if this is the player culture it really doesn't come as a surprise that they are regularly bad. 1) What makes a "school newspaper" biased? If they were biased, why would the bias be against the school, and not towards the school? (Particularly at Northwestern, where the school of journalism is HIGHLY regarded.) 2) Inside NU is not a school newspaper; it is a site associated with "SB Nation", which is described as a "sports blogging network" on Wikipedia, and is owned by Vox Media. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 25, 2023 11:09:56 GMT -5
www.insidenu.com/2023/7/24/23805973/former-northwestern-volleyball-players-corroborate-lawsuit-details-discuss-punishment-shane-davisWhile this looks terrible for Shane, this is a biased based school newspaper that is almost certainly embellishing facts and have players speaking that know they are leaving out context. If they have played for that long to make it to Northwestern, then they have certainly done some, or all forms of the drills mentioned and it should have come as no surprise what was going to happen in said drills. I would love an explanation of why or how she was bleeding, because the reason is that she probably was diving and rolling like a goof, or with extreme laziness resulting in some floor burns. Again, we have all been there. Honestly, again this is not going to look good for him, but some of this reads as the inmates trying to run the asylum and if this is the player culture it really doesn't come as a surprise that they are regularly bad. They weren’t bad last season. They more than likely would’ve made the tournament if they didn’t have unfortunate setter injuries. I’m still waiting for the * from the plaintiff of *the real reason was I got caught underage drinking at a party during dry season. Agreed, you are not punishing her for breaking covid rules for being a class full of people or going to the cafeteria or something like that. Someone who clearly wasn't up to par to start and obviously stated she felt slighted by coaching staff and their effort towards her, is a prime candidate to not give a sh*t and go out and party during dry season. |
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