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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 25, 2023 12:13:44 GMT -5
Anyone under the age of 25 is a child, their brain is not fully developed and they likely have no real world experience. The reporters can not even have a beer, you think they are capable of disseminating what seems exaggerated or embellished when they have little to no idea what goes on day to day in a practice? The story sounds real good and they know it will get clicks, how many other players did they reach out for, did they talk to any current or former coaches, did they try to get a statement from the athletic department? Most of us have been around the game for a very long time, if you don't read this article and think to yourself something doesn't seem right, or immediately realize context is missing then you got to take your blinders off. And it is not something that I don't like, I think it is something that lacks great amount of context and seems incredible damning for an actual adult that does not have a history of issues and was beloved by his players at Loyola while finding huge success. You're making stuff up. A legal adult is 18 years old. And his history at Loyola may be part of the problem here (the halo effect). Sure legal adult is 18, but did you act like a competent, responsible, and mature adult from 18-24? Did all the things you said to people representing yourself, your team, your workplace be the same things you would say now? Do you handle situations the same way now as you did before 25 assuming you are above that age? Do you have proof or examples of his history at Loyola that would lead you to post that, or are you just making stuff up like you accuse me of? |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 25, 2023 12:13:54 GMT -5
Exactly, it just doesn't add up. There is a ton of context missing and gives credence to hawks theory (or known fact) that she was out partying/drinking during dry season and put the entire program at risk. You're awfully dismissive of anyone younger than 25. The truth is usually in the middle somewhere, but I don't think this is just a ho-hum nothing to see here situation. SOMETHING occurred. It was bad enough for Shane to not be on the bench, or to resurface now. But he's a "modern day" coach. |
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Post by robtearle on Jul 25, 2023 12:15:01 GMT -5
Exactly, it just doesn't add up. There is a ton of context missing and gives credence to hawks theory (or known fact) that she was out partying/drinking during dry season and put the entire program at risk. I almost wonder if this situation and “punishment” is tied to a mandatory vaccination policy that was not followed properly during that time. If memory serves me, did NW not lose an AC or DOVO shortly after Davis’s disappearance? This is all speculation, but if a player was “punished/ hazed” for lack of adherence to a mandatory vaccination policy she could have very easily pointed a finger saying, well so and so did not get vaxxed either” While these policies certainly did not age well looking back if it was tied to something like that it could be a huge mess for NU. We're talking about early 2021 here. It's hard to remember at a granular level, but vaccines were only just being approved around then, and I don't think 20 year olds were first in line. I was 64 at the time with at least arguably a "qualifying pre-existing condition, and I wasn't able to get my first shot until [edited] late March. NW played one weekend of matches in January, and then missed three weeks of matches due to COVID within their program. Weeks BEFORE the player in question supposedly violated their procedures, etc. So I doubt vaccine mandates had anything to do with this, for a couple reasons. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 25, 2023 12:15:01 GMT -5
Why would NW make Davis sign an affidavit or document saying he participated in the hazing, and then keep Davis around, even extending him? What a strange decision by the admin if true. I mean, it’s not like NW would have trouble finding a good replacement - the university academics and networks recruit by themselves. They have a new facility! Was there some sort of quid pro quo? Just by reading the Foootball stuff, it's pretty clear whatever lawyers NW used to "investigate" either did a piss poor job or were screened off from vital information and witnesses. |
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Post by jackson5vb on Jul 25, 2023 12:17:06 GMT -5
How did she bleed all over the floor from running a suicide?
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 25, 2023 12:19:17 GMT -5
You're awfully dismissive of anyone younger than 25. The truth is usually in the middle somewhere, but I don't think this is just a ho-hum nothing to see here situation. SOMETHING occurred. It was bad enough for Shane to not be on the bench, or to resurface now. But he's a "modern day" coach. You can mock my name all you want, but you know I am right. You are not the same mature, responsible, experienced, understanding "adult" at 18-24 as you are 26+. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 25, 2023 12:20:44 GMT -5
How did she bleed all over the floor from running a suicide? My guess is a pretty decent floor burn that opened up like every other person who plays defense and has had happen to them at least once in their volleyball life. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Jul 25, 2023 12:26:02 GMT -5
Why would NW make Davis sign an affidavit or document saying he participated in the hazing, and then keep Davis around, even extending him? What a strange decision by the admin if true. I mean, it’s not like NW would have trouble finding a good replacement - the university academics and networks recruit by themselves. They have a new facility! Was there some sort of quid pro quo? Exactly, it just doesn't add up. There is a ton of context missing and gives credence to hawks theory (or known fact) that she was out partying/drinking during dry season and put the entire program at risk. Well. That’s one possibility re the affidavit, but there are two sources who say it happened, although it’s not clear how they know (heard it through the grapevine? heard it from Davis? Saw it firsthand?). There are other possible explanations than yours, and we don’t even know what any affidavit, if it exists, actually attests to. There are a number of disputed or unconfirmed facts and the claim that she broke protocol is one of them. Maybe she did. The team and/or Davis could just as easily have incorrectly assumed that she was partying by extrapolating from past experience. I have seen cases where students are targeted brutally by superiors because they become lightening rods for every resentment basically due to a clash of personalities. Everything they say or do gets twisted. I do not trust any version of a story until I hear corroboration. What seems clear is the punishment happened, the player got sick, bled and needed some form of medical attention, and the punishments were delegated by Davis which meant he could not supervise their severity as he should to make sure NW standards were adhered to. It’s that last part that puts him in real jeopardy. He is the responsible employee in this instance. Delegation is not a defense. The existence of a signed statement attesting to any sort of responsibility would be deeply problematic. |
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 25, 2023 12:26:34 GMT -5
You're making stuff up. A legal adult is 18 years old. And his history at Loyola may be part of the problem here (the halo effect). Sure legal adult is 18, but did you act like a competent, responsible, and mature adult from 18-24? Did all the things you said to people representing yourself, your team, your workplace be the same things you would say now? Do you handle situations the same way now as you did before 25 assuming you are above that age? Do you have proof or examples of his history at Loyola that would lead you to post that, or are you just making stuff up like you accuse me of? I was always a very mature kid, but this isn't about me. The issue isn't whether every 18 year old is as mature and responsible as a 25+ year old or 25+ year old version of themselves. The issue is that you are characterizing a lawsuit filed several years after the fact as some sort of childish foot stomping temper tantrum. It may or may not be, but you have clearly already picked a side and bought into your own narrative. Northwestern asked him to sign an affadavit acknowledging hazing. They kept him off the bench for an extended period. They renewed his contract in the middle of all of this. They knew what his actual coaching record was at the time. And you're asking what does his success at Loyola have to do with this? Stop being a clown. |
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Post by vbman100 on Jul 25, 2023 12:29:55 GMT -5
How did she bleed all over the floor from running a suicide? My guess is a pretty decent floor burn that opened up like every other person who plays defense and has had happen to them at least once in their volleyball life. With good, quality, in-depth reporting, we would know the cause of the bleeding, the reason for the "punishment", and how players would know that Davis signed a document about "hazing." Reporter: There was bleeding? All over the floor? How? Why? From where? Reporter: What was the reason the University or coaching staff gave for handing out a punishment for breaking rules? You say you did not break the guidelines. They say you did. Do you know how you likely contracted Covid? What did the University claim was the reason? Reporter: How do you know what was in the document Davis signed? How do you know it was for "hazing?" |
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Post by vb on Jul 25, 2023 12:32:26 GMT -5
Does it really matter what team rules she broke? She broke a important team rule! Yes, I’m part of the 25% that knows what she admitted she broke. As long as I can remember, team captains would be informed and listen In the situations. So it’s a question of the punishment fitting the crime.
I would think anyone who’s ever been a team captain would say yes. It’s justified!
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 25, 2023 12:44:40 GMT -5
But he's a "modern day" coach. You can mock my name all you want, but you know I am right. You are not the same mature, responsible, experienced, understanding "adult" at 18-24 as you are 26+. Yes, people do mature. But there are plenty of 18 year old student athletes with maturity that far outstrips that of their 40+ year old coaches. |
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Post by n00b on Jul 25, 2023 12:45:54 GMT -5
Why would NW make Davis sign an affidavit or document saying he participated in the hazing, and then keep Davis around, even extending him? What a strange decision by the admin if true. I mean, it’s not like NW would have trouble finding a good replacement - the university academics and networks recruit by themselves. They have a new facility! Was there some sort of quid pro quo? When I read that article, "hazing incident" seems to be the phrasing used by the article's author often, not not necessarily the phrasing Davis signed off on. Do we know that? Or is it possible Davis simply signed off on the sequence of events - athlete broke COVID protocol, captains chose suicides as a punishment. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 25, 2023 12:56:44 GMT -5
Sure legal adult is 18, but did you act like a competent, responsible, and mature adult from 18-24? Did all the things you said to people representing yourself, your team, your workplace be the same things you would say now? Do you handle situations the same way now as you did before 25 assuming you are above that age? Do you have proof or examples of his history at Loyola that would lead you to post that, or are you just making stuff up like you accuse me of? I was always a very mature kid, but this isn't about me. The issue isn't whether every 18 year old is as mature and responsible as a 25+ year old or 25+ year old version of themselves. The issue is that you are characterizing a lawsuit filed several years after the fact as some sort of childish foot stomping temper tantrum. It may or may not be, but you have clearly already picked a side and bought into your own narrative. Northwestern asked him to sign an affadavit acknowledging hazing. They kept him off the bench for an extended period. They renewed his contract in the middle of all of this. They knew what his actual coaching record was at the time. And you're asking what does his success at Loyola have to do with this? Stop being a clown. Did you seriously just type all of that out, and not think that if the affadavit they had him sign was that bad they would have been firing him rather than giving him more money? C'mon now, who is the clown here. And no, I don't think it is some sort of childish foot stomping, I think the kids that wrote the article are being just as opportunistic as the girl filing the lawsuit. Take a second longer to think about what you are typing, clown. |
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Post by ballvolley on Jul 25, 2023 12:56:48 GMT -5
My guess is a pretty decent floor burn that opened up like every other person who plays defense and has had happen to them at least once in their volleyball life. With good, quality, in-depth reporting, we would know the cause of the bleeding, the reason for the "punishment", and how players would know that Davis signed a document about "hazing." Reporter: There was bleeding? All over the floor? How? Why? From where? Reporter: What was the reason the University or coaching staff gave for handing out a punishment for breaking rules? You say you did not break the guidelines. They say you did. Do you know how you likely contracted Covid? What did the University claim was the reason? Reporter: How do you know what was in the document Davis signed? How do you know it was for "hazing?" cc: Medill School of Journalism |
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