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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 25, 2023 12:58:32 GMT -5
My guess is a pretty decent floor burn that opened up like every other person who plays defense and has had happen to them at least once in their volleyball life. With good, quality, in-depth reporting, we would know the cause of the bleeding, the reason for the "punishment", and how players would know that Davis signed a document about "hazing." Reporter: There was bleeding? All over the floor? How? Why? From where? Reporter: What was the reason the University or coaching staff gave for handing out a punishment for breaking rules? You say you did not break the guidelines. They say you did. Do you know how you likely contracted Covid? What did the University claim was the reason? Reporter: How do you know what was in the document Davis signed? How do you know it was for "hazing?" Hence why me saying that two sophomores writing a piece like this is immature and negligent at best. Any decent reporter would follow up with those questions and seek out a copy of the report he signed or at least say that a request was made and denied. They went off two girls that are making exaggerated claims that are obviously lacking context. There is obviously more to this story that either is the smoking gun for Davis, or the context that will exonerate him. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 25, 2023 12:59:40 GMT -5
You can mock my name all you want, but you know I am right. You are not the same mature, responsible, experienced, understanding "adult" at 18-24 as you are 26+. Yes, people do mature. But there are plenty of 18 year old student athletes with maturity that far outstrips that of their 40+ year old coaches. This hypothetical you present is a very small majority. |
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Post by robtearle on Jul 25, 2023 13:05:41 GMT -5
My guess is a pretty decent floor burn that opened up like every other person who plays defense and has had happen to them at least once in their volleyball life. With good, quality, in-depth reporting, we would know the cause of the bleeding, the reason for the "punishment", and how players would know that Davis signed a document about "hazing." Reporter: There was bleeding? All over the floor? How? Why? From where? Reporter: What was the reason the University or coaching staff gave for handing out a punishment for breaking rules? You say you did not break the guidelines. They say you did. Do you know how you likely contracted Covid? What did the University claim was the reason? Reporter: How do you know what was in the document Davis signed? How do you know it was for "hazing?" I have little doubt they asked. But you don't always get answers to the questions you ask. |
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Post by lotstodo2023 on Jul 25, 2023 13:11:06 GMT -5
Agreed, you are not punishing her for breaking covid rules for being a class full of people or going to the cafeteria or something like that. Someone who clearly wasn't up to par to start and obviously stated she felt slighted by coaching staff and their effort towards her, is a prime candidate to not give a sh*t and go out and party during dry season. You keep making the claim that "she went out partying", but where are you getting that info? yeah this "claim" feels really gross and speculative. |
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 25, 2023 13:11:09 GMT -5
I was always a very mature kid, but this isn't about me. The issue isn't whether every 18 year old is as mature and responsible as a 25+ year old or 25+ year old version of themselves. The issue is that you are characterizing a lawsuit filed several years after the fact as some sort of childish foot stomping temper tantrum. It may or may not be, but you have clearly already picked a side and bought into your own narrative. Northwestern asked him to sign an affadavit acknowledging hazing. They kept him off the bench for an extended period. They renewed his contract in the middle of all of this. They knew what his actual coaching record was at the time. And you're asking what does his success at Loyola have to do with this? Stop being a clown. Did you seriously just type all of that out, and not think that if the affadavit they had him sign was that bad they would have been firing him rather than giving him more money? C'mon now, who is the clown here. And no, I don't think it is some sort of childish foot stomping, I think the kids that wrote the article are being just as opportunistic as the girl filing the lawsuit. Take a second longer to think about what you are typing, clown. What would the purpose of having him sign anything at all be? Have you taken a second to think about that? At least suggesting that you are acting like a clown caused you to focus a little better than you previously were. Regardless of whether the journalism students or the person filing the lawsuit are being "opportunistic", it's not their responsibility to administer the athletic department for the University. There's clearly a lot going on there (with or without the consideration of the vb program), and you and your odd ranting certainly aren't shedding any light on that subject. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 25, 2023 13:26:19 GMT -5
Did you seriously just type all of that out, and not think that if the affadavit they had him sign was that bad they would have been firing him rather than giving him more money? C'mon now, who is the clown here. And no, I don't think it is some sort of childish foot stomping, I think the kids that wrote the article are being just as opportunistic as the girl filing the lawsuit. Take a second longer to think about what you are typing, clown. What would the purpose of having him sign anything at all be? Have you taken a second to think about that? At least suggesting that you are acting like a clown caused you to focus a little better than you previously were. Regardless of whether the journalism students or the person filing the lawsuit are being "opportunistic", it's not their responsibility to administer the athletic department for the University. There's clearly a lot going on there (with or without the consideration of the vb program), and you and your odd ranting certainly aren't shedding any light on that subject. Odd ranting, seems a little hypocritical here considering your replies are aggressive because you disagree with the common sense factor that obviously is not being utilized by people looking at the information we have here on the surface of public information. I have not suggested that at all, in fact I am looking at you to figure out if you are projecting or some way also have a grudge and are blindly believing this story. But the simple fact you suggest there is a lot going on means you are thinking too broad, are you implying this is in any way relatable to what is happening with the football and baseball programs? Because it is far from it. Plain and simple the accusations levied don't add up and are clearly missing lots of context. The purpose of having him sign something would be liability and insurance for the school to not be sued later and show that this player and coach had a problem. However, if she disliked him that much and she is accusing him of exacting revenge by benching her when she really hadn't shown anything that proves she would have been an efficient player on the floor tell me this is petty and opportunistic when she easily could have transferred elsewhere. If that piece of paper exists then it should be available by information request, so why don't the "journalists" attending one of the most prestiged journalism schools there is, have the maturity and responsibility to cover their bases before publishing? |
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Post by dizzydean on Jul 25, 2023 13:29:15 GMT -5
Yes, people do mature. But there are plenty of 18 year old student athletes with maturity that far outstrips that of their 40+ year old coaches. This hypothetical you present is a very small majority. According to... |
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Post by robtearle on Jul 25, 2023 13:32:39 GMT -5
What would the purpose of having him sign anything at all be? Have you taken a second to think about that? At least suggesting that you are acting like a clown caused you to focus a little better than you previously were. Regardless of whether the journalism students or the person filing the lawsuit are being "opportunistic", it's not their responsibility to administer the athletic department for the University. There's clearly a lot going on there (with or without the consideration of the vb program), and you and your odd ranting certainly aren't shedding any light on that subject. Odd ranting, seems a little hypocritical here considering your replies are aggressive because you disagree with the common sense factor that obviously is not being utilized by people looking at the information we have here on the surface of public information. I have not suggested that at all, in fact I am looking at you to figure out if you are projecting or some way also have a grudge and are blindly believing this story. But the simple fact you suggest there is a lot going on means you are thinking too broad, are you implying this is in any way relatable to what is happening with the football and baseball programs? Because it is far from it. Plain and simple the accusations levied don't add up and are clearly missing lots of context. The purpose of having him sign something would be liability and insurance for the school to not be sued later and show that this player and coach had a problem. However, if she disliked him that much and she is accusing him of exacting revenge by benching her when she really hadn't shown anything that proves she would have been an efficient player on the floor tell me this is petty and opportunistic when she easily could have transferred elsewhere. If that piece of paper exists then it should be available by information request, so why don't the "journalists" attending one of the most prestiged journalism schools there is, have the maturity and responsibility to cover their bases before publishing? Would Northwestern be subject to FOIA requests? As for your continued attempts to trash the two reporters who got the interviews with former players: when WBBM or the Chicago Tribune publishes the interviews they get with players, I will be happy to read them. But until then, these two got the interviews that moved the ball well down the field. (BBM and the Trib could also file the FOIA requests, if NW is even subject; I don't think they are.) |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 25, 2023 13:37:17 GMT -5
I wonder if the lawyers for the football, baseball and VB players will decide to get together and a file a class action lawsuit against Northwestern citing RICO and saying that the athletic department is a criminal organization that promoted Hazing? Criminal organization is extreme, but in a more practical form of the hypothetical - what happened with the Baylor situation where mostly the football, and some other sports, were raping girls left and right where it came out that multiple higher ups knew and tried to cover it up. Because in that as well, you have most recent ncaa woman's national champion coach who is a noted homophobe and dismissed multiple girls claims (her own athletes and their friends) that came forward about being raped on campus. I would assume that situation could fall into a similar grouping of negligence. |
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Post by ballvolley on Jul 25, 2023 13:37:45 GMT -5
I'm just glad the player in question wasn't Walker, if I was Davis I'd be scared of her dad. Hardwick? While the player chooses to be anonymous, the details given to the press make it easier to guess (keyword: guess) who it might be. The recent articles describe an athlete who played from 2019-22 and 'medically retired' at the end of 2022. Based on their roster and who is/is not utilizing their 5th year of eligibility in 2023, Hardwick and Haskins (both MBs with limited playing time in their careers) stand out. Both had an extra year but did not transfer. Hardwick was a RS-Sophomore in 2020-21 (played sparingly in 2018, redshirted 2019) and played in 5 of 10 matches during the COVID season, making her first appearance vs. Purdue on 2/20. She was on the team in 2022, but did not play in a set. I *think* she would have been eligible for a technical 6th year, but it appears she was/is still in grad school at NU (Kellogg). Haskins was a true freshman in 2019, and in her first season played in 1 set in September. In 2020-21, 2021 (fall), and 2022 she did not play in a single set. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 25, 2023 13:39:27 GMT -5
Odd ranting, seems a little hypocritical here considering your replies are aggressive because you disagree with the common sense factor that obviously is not being utilized by people looking at the information we have here on the surface of public information. I have not suggested that at all, in fact I am looking at you to figure out if you are projecting or some way also have a grudge and are blindly believing this story. But the simple fact you suggest there is a lot going on means you are thinking too broad, are you implying this is in any way relatable to what is happening with the football and baseball programs? Because it is far from it. Plain and simple the accusations levied don't add up and are clearly missing lots of context. The purpose of having him sign something would be liability and insurance for the school to not be sued later and show that this player and coach had a problem. However, if she disliked him that much and she is accusing him of exacting revenge by benching her when she really hadn't shown anything that proves she would have been an efficient player on the floor tell me this is petty and opportunistic when she easily could have transferred elsewhere. If that piece of paper exists then it should be available by information request, so why don't the "journalists" attending one of the most prestiged journalism schools there is, have the maturity and responsibility to cover their bases before publishing? Would Northwestern be subject to FOIA requests? As for your contuned attempts to trash the two reporters who got the interviews with former players: when WBBM or the Chicago Tribune publishes the interviews they get with players, I will be happy to read them. But until then, these two got the interviews that moved the ball well down the field. (BBM and the Trib could also file the FOIA requests, if NW is even subject; I don't think they are.) I would be interested if they are subject to an FOIA, but I would assume if they have a similar standing to Duke then the answer would be no. Had Duke not been protected, Coach K would have been in trouble and/or fired a long time ago. And I am not trashing the reporters, I am saying that they are young children with career aspirations that had a major national story land in front of them while attempting to make a name and carve out a career. I think the article is poorly done and their lack of context and diligent reporting shows their immaturity and inexperience in the field they hope to be in. |
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Post by robtearle on Jul 25, 2023 13:44:24 GMT -5
Would Northwestern be subject to FOIA requests? As for your contuned attempts to trash the two reporters who got the interviews with former players: when WBBM or the Chicago Tribune publishes the interviews they get with players, I will be happy to read them. But until then, these two got the interviews that moved the ball well down the field. (BBM and the Trib could also file the FOIA requests, if NW is even subject; I don't think they are.) I would be interested if they are subject to an FOIA, but I would assume if they have a similar standing to Duke then the answer would be no. Had Duke not been protected, Coach K would have been in trouble and/or fired a long time ago. And I am not trashing the reporters, I am saying that they are young children with career aspirations that had a major national story land in front of them while attempting to make a name and carve out a career. I think the article is poorly done and their lack of context and diligent reporting shows their immaturity and inexperience in the field they hope to be in. So when you said "If that piece of paper exists then it should be available by information request, so why don't the "journalists" attending one of the most prestiged (sic) journalism schools there is, have the maturity and responsibility to cover their bases before publishing?" how did you expect those "journalists" to exhibit "the maturity and responsibility to cover their base"? What vehicle did you envision them using? "And I am not trashing the reporters" Yeah, you are. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 25, 2023 13:49:06 GMT -5
I would be interested if they are subject to an FOIA, but I would assume if they have a similar standing to Duke then the answer would be no. Had Duke not been protected, Coach K would have been in trouble and/or fired a long time ago. And I am not trashing the reporters, I am saying that they are young children with career aspirations that had a major national story land in front of them while attempting to make a name and carve out a career. I think the article is poorly done and their lack of context and diligent reporting shows their immaturity and inexperience in the field they hope to be in. So when you said "If that piece of paper exists then it should be available by information request, so why don't the "journalists" attending one of the most prestiged (sic) journalism schools there is, have the maturity and responsibility to cover their bases before publishing?" how did you expect those "journalists" to exhibit "the maturity and responsibility to cover their base"? What vehicle did you envision them using? "And I am not trashing the reporters" Yeah, you are. You are you misconstruing immaturity and criticism in their reporting for what you claim is trashing. It's fine that is your opinion, but you can easily read this and realize that they are missing context, did not extend past the two players they talked to, and couldn't expound further on what was on that piece of paper those players mentioned or where she was bleeding from. |
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 25, 2023 13:49:48 GMT -5
What would the purpose of having him sign anything at all be? Have you taken a second to think about that? At least suggesting that you are acting like a clown caused you to focus a little better than you previously were. Regardless of whether the journalism students or the person filing the lawsuit are being "opportunistic", it's not their responsibility to administer the athletic department for the University. There's clearly a lot going on there (with or without the consideration of the vb program), and you and your odd ranting certainly aren't shedding any light on that subject. Odd ranting, seems a little hypocritical here considering your replies are aggressive because you disagree with the common sense factor that obviously is not being utilized by people looking at the information we have here on the surface of public information. I have not suggested that at all, in fact I am looking at you to figure out if you are projecting or some way also have a grudge and are blindly believing this story. But the simple fact you suggest there is a lot going on means you are thinking too broad, are you implying this is in any way relatable to what is happening with the football and baseball programs? Because it is far from it. Plain and simple the accusations levied don't add up and are clearly missing lots of context. The purpose of having him sign something would be liability and insurance for the school to not be sued later and show that this player and coach had a problem. However, if she disliked him that much and she is accusing him of exacting revenge by benching her when she really hadn't shown anything that proves she would have been an efficient player on the floor tell me this is petty and opportunistic when she easily could have transferred elsewhere. If that piece of paper exists then it should be available by information request, so why don't the "journalists" attending one of the most prestiged journalism schools there is, have the maturity and responsibility to cover their bases before publishing? Having him sign something does the exact opposite of what you are suggesting. It documents and memorializes a problem and the University's awareness that a problem existed. It increases the risk of liability--which is exactly what is happening now--and I am fairly certain the HR/Legal people who drafted it understood this. So, we go back to the original question, why do you think they wanted him to sign something? Such a document would be considered a confidential personnel action and would not be available under a freedom of information request. I don't have any connection to this issue. I can see, however, based on your responses that you have no knowledge or experience in the legal or HR realm. |
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Post by robtearle on Jul 25, 2023 13:54:36 GMT -5
So when you said "If that piece of paper exists then it should be available by information request, so why don't the "journalists" attending one of the most prestiged (sic) journalism schools there is, have the maturity and responsibility to cover their bases before publishing?" how did you expect those "journalists" to exhibit "the maturity and responsibility to cover their base"? What vehicle did you envision them using? "And I am not trashing the reporters" Yeah, you are. You are you misconstruing immaturity and criticism in their reporting for what you claim is trashing. It's fine that is your opinion, but you can easily read this and realize that they are missing context, did not extend past the two players they talked to, and couldn't expound further on what was on that piece of paper those players mentioned or where she was bleeding from. So if you understand that NW is likely NOT subject to FOIA, when you said "If that piece of paper exists then it should be available by information request, so why don't the "journalists" attending one of the most prestiged (sic) journalism schools there is, have the maturity and responsibility to cover their bases before publishing?" how did you expect those "journalists" to exhibit "the maturity and responsibility to cover their base"? What vehicle did you envision them using? |
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