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Post by huskergeek on Apr 4, 2021 21:50:56 GMT -5
Maybe I am old-fashioned but in my opinion the title of the best conference should be taken, not given. Well, that's a bit interesting, given the *many* structural advantages that the NCAA has allowed midwest teams to accumulate. The Final Fours are almost all selected in the midwest, most of the regionals are played in the midwest, and due to the regionalized selection, west coasts teams usually have to play tougher early rounds in order to advance. So excuse us if some of us kind of feel like the NCAA does their best to give an advantage to the midwest teams. (Oh, and despite that? Three of the last four national championships were won by Stanford. Kind of seems like if anybody holds the current title of "strongest conference" it's not actually the Big Ten.) That means the Pac-12 had the strongest team in the country. Meanwhile the Big Ten has 8 of 16 Elite Eight teams over the last two years, 14 in the last four years, 2 teams in the Final Four for 5 consecutive years.
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 4, 2021 21:51:51 GMT -5
Oh, also, can these idiots not find anyone else to guest interview but Big 10 people? Haggerty for Wisconsin, Sun for Nebraska, Mcutcheon for Minnesota, Shondell for Purdue all in a row....like....really? I'm soooooo over this crap. Not a single west coast interview. Just over it.
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Post by azsker on Apr 4, 2021 21:52:06 GMT -5
I was talking about the Texas v Gopher discussion. I don't see the point of Texas fans arguing for a 3 seed other than that they would avoid Nebraska. But if gophers dropped to 4 they would have had both Nebraska and PSU in their bracket, both of whom they've both played twice already. I don't know why they couldn't have at least just flipped WSU and Utah between 14 and 15 seed - or moved them to 13-14. PSU seeding screwed that up I guess, but they could have just as easily been 15 as 13. I frankly don't agree with PSU being seeded at all, though I predicted it. I'm not worried about Nebraska. Sorry Nebraska fans but I don't see them beating Texas this year. I have a problem because Texas and Wisconsin should not be playing eachother in the final 4. That is a championship caliber match. Of course both teams have to get through some tough teams either way but Minnesota literally has a cakewalk to the Final 4. One could argue that any names in the top 5 would be championship caliber match. Lol idk why you think Wisconsin and Texas get the one nod for championship level match. Texas has, by far, the worse loss of any of those teams..
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 4, 2021 21:54:30 GMT -5
This is my favorite. You have to love this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 21:56:04 GMT -5
Florida vs Ohio St. looks to be a potentially exciting subregional matchup.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 4, 2021 21:56:30 GMT -5
This is my favorite. You have to love this. Lol, they clearly thought they were out and were pleasantly surprised when their name came up.
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Post by trojansc on Apr 4, 2021 21:59:31 GMT -5
That means the Pac-12 had the strongest team in the country. Meanwhile the Big Ten has 8 of 16 Elite Eight teams over the last two years, 14 in the last four years, 2 teams in the Final Four for 5 consecutive years. Not all paths are created equal. If you look at H2H examples -- you see multiple instances on both sides of a lower-seeded PAC/B1G team taking out a higher-seeded B1G/PAC team in the past years. It's clear the two conferences are the best at volleyball. It's really so tiresome to hear how one is 'certainly' above the other. You see H2H examples in non-conference play every year. Washington sweeping Wisconsin. But to my point about paths -what if Washington got matched up against Wisconsin again instead of playing Baylor on their home court? We'll never know. I think Wisconsin was better than the preseason, but, we just can't say. I think Wisconsin might be better than any PAC team this year, while Stanford might have been better than any B1G team the past few years. Doesn't explain the entire conference strength.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 21:59:59 GMT -5
This is my favorite. You have to love this. Where's Mocha and his tournament selection celebration thread?
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Post by coconutcandles on Apr 4, 2021 22:01:50 GMT -5
Oh, also, can these idiots not find anyone else to guest interview but Big 10 people? Haggerty for Wisconsin, Sun for Nebraska, Mcutcheon for Minnesota, Shondell for Purdue all in a row....like....really? I'm soooooo over this crap. Not a single west coast interview. Just over it. I KNOW!! And with Michella Chester, girl never really talks about Pac-12 teams especially Washington and its so frustrating... all she had to say for the #6 seed is that they were an AQ?
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Post by huskergeek on Apr 4, 2021 22:04:59 GMT -5
That means the Pac-12 had the strongest team in the country. Meanwhile the Big Ten has 8 of 16 Elite Eight teams over the last two years, 14 in the last four years, 2 teams in the Final Four for 5 consecutive years. Not all paths are created equal. If you look at H2H examples -- you see multiple instances on both sides of a lower-seeded PAC/B1G team taking out a higher-seeded B1G/PAC team in the past years. It's clear the two conferences are the best at volleyball. It's really so tiresome to hear how one is 'certainly' above the other. You see H2H examples in non-conference play every year. Washington sweeping Wisconsin. But to my point about paths -what if Washington got matched up against Wisconsin again instead of playing Baylor on their home court? We'll never know. I think Wisconsin was better than the preseason, but, we just can't say. I think Wisconsin might be better than any PAC team this year, while Stanford might have been better than any B1G team the past few years. Doesn't explain the entire conference strength. You can't possibly account for one conference having half of the elite eight over two years and half of the final four for five consecutive years by saying their paths were easier. That's preposterous.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Apr 4, 2021 22:14:32 GMT -5
Oh, also, can these idiots not find anyone else to guest interview but Big 10 people? Haggerty for Wisconsin, Sun for Nebraska, Mcutcheon for Minnesota, Shondell for Purdue all in a row....like....really? I'm soooooo over this crap. Not a single west coast interview. Just over it. Respectfully, you’re clearly not over it.
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Post by trojansc on Apr 4, 2021 22:26:45 GMT -5
You can't possibly account for one conference having half of the elite eight over two years and half of the final four for five consecutive years by saying their paths were easier. That's preposterous. Draws matter and do not always paint the entire picture of having X amount of teams in a certain round. For both conferences, you can get a draw that guarantees your team a spot in both elite eight and Final Four, or you can also have a team who may have made it to the elite 8 or final four get eliminated earlier because one of them has to lose. If the B1G was significantly better than the PAC, I don't think we'd see higher seeded Minnesota lose 2x years in a row. I don't think we'd see Stanford knock out Wisconsin on their home court. Again, there are reverse examples. Illinois knocking out Washington on their home court. How do we know Utah wouldn't have got to the FF via Minnesota's path? Or Utah could have also been eliminated, just like Minnesota almost was, as well in the first round. Both went 5! Again, we'll never know. I just disagree that it's as simple as saying because my conference had more teams in this round, they are clearly better. Especially when having the best team overall/NC doesn't matter either, which I agree with.
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Apr 4, 2021 22:30:03 GMT -5
I'm not worried about Nebraska. Sorry Nebraska fans but I don't see them beating Texas this year. I have a problem because Texas and Wisconsin should not be playing eachother in the final 4. That is a championship caliber match. Of course both teams have to get through some tough teams either way but Minnesota literally has a cakewalk to the Final 4. One could argue that any names in the top 5 would be championship caliber match. Lol idk why you think Wisconsin and Texas get the one nod for championship level match. Texas has, by far, the worse loss of any of those teams.. Texas also has four top 10 wins🤷🏽♂️ that one loss was in 5 sets so although it was a bad loss, it wasn't a blowout loss. The only teams who have a good chance to win the championship are the top 4 teams. Not saying everyone else is bad, I'm just saying that realistically Kentucky and Texas are the only two teams who can beat Wisconsin. We saw Minnesota pretty much get beat convincingly against Wisconsin but who knows, I guess We will see which teams show up ready. I guarantee Texas will be one of those teams
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Post by badgerbreath on Apr 4, 2021 22:35:47 GMT -5
Chalk it down to past experience, but I do no like having OSU in the badgers regional. We've been down that road before, twice, and my voice has never been the same.
Come to think of it, I don't think we've ever beaten Florida in the tournament either, not that I put much stock in historical precedence, but, you know.
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Post by hammer on Apr 4, 2021 22:42:09 GMT -5
Maybe I am old-fashioned but in my opinion the title of the best conference should be taken, not given. Well, that's a bit interesting, given the *many* structural advantages that the NCAA has allowed midwest teams to accumulate. The Final Fours are almost all selected in the midwest, most of the regionals are played in the midwest, and due to the regionalized selection, west coasts teams usually have to play tougher early rounds in order to advance. So excuse us if some of us kind of feel like the NCAA does their best to give an advantage to the midwest teams. (Oh, and despite that? Three of the last four national championships were won by Stanford. Kind of seems like if anybody holds the current title of "strongest conference" it's not actually the Big Ten.) The Pac gets slapped silly again ... .
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