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Post by gophervbfan on Apr 5, 2021 1:29:02 GMT -5
BYU got screwed. I'd almost rather be unseeded then end up in Wisconsin's region as the 16. Edit: As if it couldn't get any worse, BYU is also now looking at playing UCLA in the second round. They got completely screwed. Would rather be unseeded. Saying that BYU got screwed really doesn't make much sense. Having BYU play UCLA is the committee's way of saying that UCLA would have been the #17 seed if there was a #17 seed. Everything here seems to fit.
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Post by vergyltantor on Apr 5, 2021 2:08:26 GMT -5
Don't have the better resume?? I beg to differ Being seeded 4 instead of 3 isn't that big of a deal, Texas will get a chance to prove their worth soon enough. As far as a so called B1G bias goes, there is much complaining that they have 2 of the top 4 seeds and 4 of the top 8. In the last 5 tournaments the B1G has sent 2 teams to the final 4, and in the last 2 has sent 4 to the elite 8. Maybe I am old-fashioned but in my opinion the title of the best conference should be taken, not given. Teams like Texas will have every opportunity to earn the title of best team on the court soon enough. It is interesting how many times this quote: "Maybe I am old-fashioned but in my opinion the title of the best conference should be taken, not given" has been taken out of context and evolved from a defense of Minnesota and the B1G from a Texan's tweet into (in some small part) a debate over if the B1G or PAC has the best conference. For the record with the demise of Stanford I put the B1G in the lead and if you remove Wisconsin from the B1G this year the conferences are at a virtual tie. After these two conferences there is a big drop-off, and you would be betting bad money you took the field against the B1G and PAC combination in a bet, in the past and into the foreseeable future.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 5, 2021 2:10:04 GMT -5
They got completely screwed. Would rather be unseeded. Saying that BYU got screwed really doesn't make much sense. Having BYU play UCLA is the committee's way of saying that UCLA would have been the #17 seed if there was a #17 seed. Everything here seems to fit. BYU is significantly underseeded, and so is UCLA. Under the premise that both are correctly seeded, sure. But they aren't.
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Post by huskergeek on Apr 5, 2021 2:26:18 GMT -5
I understand the rage of PSU being seeded, but I don’t really get why people are mad about Minnesota being ranked. They have 2xwins against Purdue, PSU and split against Nebraska. Also, 2 solid wins against Illinois while their only losses come to #1 and #5 seed. While Texas might be a better team, they do not really have a resume that is better than Minnesota. It just seems like in some situations people want the eye test and in some don’t. Don't have the better resume?? I beg to differ Wait, wait, wait. Did someone actually use RPI as justification in a serious argument? People do realize that using any mathematical formula or algorithm to rank teams between conferences and teams that are mathematically air-gapped is impossible right? Literally impossible. I haven't and won't even bother starting my computer program up until after the tournament because it's pointless. I mean, I would have put Texas higher than Minnesota too, but come on.
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Post by fanbase on Apr 5, 2021 2:34:32 GMT -5
Don't have the better resume?? I beg to differ Wait, wait, wait. Did someone actually use RPI as justification in a serious argument? People do realize that using any mathematical formula or algorithm to rank teams between conferences and teams that are mathematically air-gapped is impossible right? Literally impossible. I haven't and won't even bother starting my computer program up until after the tournament because it's pointless. I mean, I would have put Texas higher than Minnesota too, but come on. I think that just says a lot about the argument once he pulled RPI lol
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Post by vergyltantor on Apr 5, 2021 2:44:44 GMT -5
Saying that BYU got screwed really doesn't make much sense. Having BYU play UCLA is the committee's way of saying that UCLA would have been the #17 seed if there was a #17 seed. Everything here seems to fit. BYU is significantly underseeded, and so is UCLA. Under the premise that both are correctly seeded, sure. But they aren't. Isn't BYU the last unseeded team to get to the final four? Maybe it is a sign.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 5, 2021 3:08:29 GMT -5
BYU is significantly underseeded, and so is UCLA. Under the premise that both are correctly seeded, sure. But they aren't. Isn't BYU the last unseeded team to get to the final four? Maybe it is a sign. Yes, that is true. BYU was unseeded in 2014 when they advanced to the national championship game.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 5, 2021 4:47:04 GMT -5
Isn't BYU the last unseeded team to get to the final four? Maybe it is a sign. Yes, that is true. BYU was unseeded in 2014 when they advanced to the national championship game. Yes, I remember that team. In the regional in Seattle, Nebraska beat Washington while BYU beat Florida State. The second night crowd was pretty light, since the Huskies weren't there, but I went and watched BYU beat Nebraska for the trip to the Final Four. IIRC, that was the last match when McLaughlin was the coach of the Huskies. I think it was only a few days later he announced he was leaving for Notre Dame.
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Post by n00b on Apr 5, 2021 7:25:56 GMT -5
Don't have the better resume?? I beg to differ Wait, wait, wait. Did someone actually use RPI as justification in a serious argument? People do realize that using any mathematical formula or algorithm to rank teams between conferences and teams that are mathematically air-gapped is impossible right? Literally impossible. I haven't and won't even bother starting my computer program up until after the tournament because it's pointless. I mean, I would have put Texas higher than Minnesota too, but come on. This year’s Massey Ratings really don’t look too bad.
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Post by goopy on Apr 5, 2021 7:30:18 GMT -5
Oh, also, can these idiots not find anyone else to guest interview but Big 10 people? Haggerty for Wisconsin, Sun for Nebraska, Mcutcheon for Minnesota, Shondell for Purdue all in a row....like....really? I'm soooooo over this crap. Not a single west coast interview. Just over it. the whole show was an absolute mess. Salima should host alone and it should be 30 minutes. interviews are nice but we’re watching for the bracket. It was so bad it was funny. Tell me about the last four in - sure, no problem, could you give me a little hint just to get me started. The graphics delay made me think someone was using dial-up. I'm sure men's basketball will want to use the upper left, lower right designations, no need to name them, but I think if you would have gone with something like the Omaha Zoo sectional, the Pedestrian Bridge, the Japanese Balloon Bomb and the College World Series sectional - I mean who wouldn't want that on a tee shirt?
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Post by huskergeek on Apr 5, 2021 7:50:35 GMT -5
Wait, wait, wait. Did someone actually use RPI as justification in a serious argument? People do realize that using any mathematical formula or algorithm to rank teams between conferences and teams that are mathematically air-gapped is impossible right? Literally impossible. I haven't and won't even bother starting my computer program up until after the tournament because it's pointless. I mean, I would have put Texas higher than Minnesota too, but come on. This year’s Massey Ratings really don’t look too bad. Then they're adding a ton of bias from last year or a historical average. It's the only way to make rankings look real with the current results and it definitely doesn't validate the rankings IMO. I guess if people want to accept historical data as a valid computer component for rankings of this year, that's their own prerogative. To me, it just means they're fake.
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Post by jayj79 on Apr 5, 2021 8:04:51 GMT -5
the whole show was an absolute mess. Salima should host alone and it should be 30 minutes. interviews are nice but we’re watching for the bracket. Schedule an hour time-slot for it (since there is always some sort of live game/match on just before it that always runs long). But then go through the entire bracket right away. THEN, after the entire bracket has been announced, go back through and do your analysis and interviews. Of course, they'll probably never do it that way, as they know much of the viewership is going to turn it off / change the channel once they get the full bracket, because the analysis and interviews are generally not that good
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 5, 2021 10:36:05 GMT -5
Yes, that is true. BYU was unseeded in 2014 when they advanced to the national championship game. Yes, I remember that team. In the regional in Seattle, Nebraska beat Washington while BYU beat Florida State. The second night crowd was pretty light, since the Huskies weren't there, but I went and watched BYU beat Nebraska for the trip to the Final Four. IIRC, that was the last match when McLaughlin was the coach of the Huskies. I think it was only a few days later he announced he was leaving for Notre Dame. Yeah, that was the team that really put BYU back on the map as a volleyball power. They were unseeded, but they had a lot of talent with Jennifer Hamson, Alexa Gray and Amy Boswell on the same team. That was also the best blocking team in the rally scoring era. They had by far the highest blocks/set (3.85) in the 25-point rally scoring era, and adjusted for the 30-point era (there was one Nebraska team ahead of them I think), they were No. 1 also.
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Post by vballfan17 on Apr 5, 2021 11:47:33 GMT -5
Does anyone have a link to the full selection show? The one I find on YouTube just lays out the bracket but doesn't include any of the convos with coaches/players/committee members. TIA!
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Post by Vball Fandom on Apr 5, 2021 11:52:15 GMT -5
I do agree with you that BYU has an advantage at setter (and maybe middle), but UCLA has by far the superior pin hitters. I'd still give the edge to UCLA in that match up, but BYU is definitely going to put up a fight. Yeah, I think UCLA is a better version of San Diego. BYU won the matches against the Toreros easily, but we shall see. Oh, and while I definitely agree that UCLA has the advantage at the pins, BYU's trio of Ballard-Nixon, Grimmer and Livingston are not exactly slouches. An incredible battle at Libero awaits if UCLA and BYU meet!!!
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