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Post by bruinsgold on Apr 15, 2021 23:29:09 GMT -5
NCAA and all teams have known since (1980’s?) BYU doesn’t play on Sunday. So please stop “not fair” talk. It really is ridiculous to call it "unfair" by any means like it's an advantage for BYU. All the other teams have at least two days to prep for their next opponent. BYU has a day to prepare for the #1 team in the country. And I doubt it's any benefit to Wisconsin if they do win to have that extra day between the next round. They're the #1 team with probably the deepest bench of the teams that are left. Pretty sure they're ready at all times. |
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Post by vballvball on Apr 15, 2021 23:29:29 GMT -5
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Post by volleyfan24 on Apr 15, 2021 23:34:37 GMT -5
Oh my god bigoted. Haha to suggest a post is more bigoted than any organized religion girl please. Take that somewhere else Mormons are fine people I actually lived briefly in Salt Lake during my 20’s beautiful city and Utah is a great state but I am not a fan of religious exceptions I believe organized religion is the cause of too many problems. That's not really a discussion to have here. And even I agree with that part. But I also understand not everyone thinks like me and try to respect others. If the NCAA wasn't okay with it -- I'd be fine with that. They clearly are. We play by their rules. I’ll play nice cause I respect you. But I will not have someone accuse me of being bigoted against religion the audacity. I’ll keep it civil I apologize. The NCAA and its rules has many things it should amend but that is also another conversation. Credit BYU they played a solid match. I’m a big Olmstead fan like her as one of the lead faces of female coaching in the sport and she always puts together a great squad that competes out of a Power 5 so nothing but respect for her and the Cougars. Also shout Provo it’s a cute college town. |
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Post by jcvball22 on Apr 16, 2021 0:03:41 GMT -5
That's not really a discussion to have here. And even I agree with that part. But I also understand not everyone thinks like me and try to respect others. If the NCAA wasn't okay with it -- I'd be fine with that. They clearly are. We play by their rules. I’ll play nice cause I respect you. But I will not have someone accuse me of being bigoted against religion the audacity. I’ll keep it civil I apologize. The NCAA and its rules has many things it should amend but that is also another conversation. Credit BYU they played a solid match. I’m a big Olmstead fan like her as one of the lead faces of female coaching in the sport and she always puts together a great squad that competes out of a Power 5 so nothing but respect for her and the Cougars. Also shout Provo it’s a cute college town. Bigoted might be a stretch. But it’s a dumb comment. The NCAA has always granted religious accommodation for teams that cannot play on Sundays. Simply because it is rare in DI doesn’t mean it isn’t policy. It is a regular accommodation at other divisions, where religious institutions that do not compete on Sundays are more prevalent. Ask any DIII team that has had a short turn around to the final weekend to accommodate Hope or Calvin being in the Final Eight. |
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Post by lionsfan on Apr 16, 2021 0:29:55 GMT -5
I hope that means there will NOT be a 10pm regional semi on Sunday...
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Post by sammyd on Apr 16, 2021 0:46:56 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but what the is this bigoted $hit? Oh my god bigoted. Haha to suggest a post is more bigoted than any organized religion girl please. Take that somewhere else Mormons are fine people I actually lived briefly in Salt Lake during my 20’s beautiful city and Utah is a great state but I am not a fan of religious exceptions I believe organized religion is the cause of too many problems. Absolutely bigoted. Calling their beliefs about the Sabbath BS is bigotry as you ascribe the existence of the belief to ulterior motives. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 16, 2021 0:51:19 GMT -5
Oh my god bigoted. Haha to suggest a post is more bigoted than any organized religion girl please. Take that somewhere else Mormons are fine people I actually lived briefly in Salt Lake during my 20’s beautiful city and Utah is a great state but I am not a fan of religious exceptions I believe organized religion is the cause of too many problems. Absolutely bigoted. Calling their beliefs about the Sabbath BS is bigotry as you ascribe the existence of the belief to ulterior motives. Dude, calm down. Nobody says BYU has to play on Sunday. That's up to them. What bothers some people (including me), is that BYU insists other teams have to follow their rules. If BYU really wanted to show how strongly they felt about it, they could just forfeit. On the whole, I would rather see the volleyball. So I would rather the match be played on Saturday than not at all. But it annoys me that BYU gets to specify which day they will play on, while nobody else does. (AFAIK, anyway.) |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 16, 2021 1:07:52 GMT -5
Oh my god bigoted. Haha to suggest a post is more bigoted than any organized religion girl please. Take that somewhere else Mormons are fine people I actually lived briefly in Salt Lake during my 20’s beautiful city and Utah is a great state but I am not a fan of religious exceptions I believe organized religion is the cause of too many problems. That's not really a discussion to have here. And even I agree with that part. But I also understand not everyone thinks like me and try to respect others. If the NCAA wasn't okay with it -- I'd be fine with that. They clearly are. We play by their rules. I have always respected that you are a very fair-minded person that tries to look at things like this with as little bias as possible. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 16, 2021 1:34:36 GMT -5
Not fair to Wisconsin imo. They don’t get a rest day and it’s not their fault they have to play BYU Wisconsin will be fine. BYU is a young team with bad passing.. they don’t have a power outside or anything. It wil be a wipeout. I definitely think Wisconsin will win, and yes, BYU's passing is suspect. But they have a great setter and a lot of weapons. Hopefully, they'll be competitive. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 16, 2021 1:37:53 GMT -5
meh they got thumped out of the tournament the last two years without reaching 20 in any of the sets, but yes the years before that they definitely performed well they made a final four at least in 2018. They had a bad game against a pissed off fiery Utah team in 2019. They played Texas and Kentucky so tough in years before that. Yeah, I mean they got thumped in the Final Four by a Stanford team that thumped a lot of good teams in their time. That's not that bad. Obviously, the Utah loss wasn't great, but that was the only time BYU has failed to make the Sweet 16 in the last nine seasons. They're very well-coached. |
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Post by volleyfan24 on Apr 16, 2021 1:41:09 GMT -5
Seems that my comment has ruffled some feathers and all I have to say is stay mad I am here living my best life and bye to my haters.
Joking I think the conversation of volleyball, sports, rules and the NCAA has always rode this interesting line of what should or should not be discussed on the board. I have been here long enough to see discussion of politics, race and religion bleed their way into many a conversation here and sometimes myself have gotten very annoyed that it has taken away from why I came to love this board in the first place. It’s a place to discuss a sport I love to watch with people who are equally as invested as I am so for distracting from an otherwise good contest of volleyball I am sorry. Back to enjoying volleyball.
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Post by jcvball22 on Apr 16, 2021 2:16:35 GMT -5
Absolutely bigoted. Calling their beliefs about the Sabbath BS is bigotry as you ascribe the existence of the belief to ulterior motives. Dude, calm down. Nobody says BYU has to play on Sunday. That's up to them. What bothers some people (including me), is that BYU insists other teams have to follow their rules. If BYU really wanted to show how strongly they felt about it, they could just forfeit. On the whole, I would rather see the volleyball. So I would rather the match be played on Saturday than not at all. But it annoys me that BYU gets to specify which day they will play on, while nobody else does. (AFAIK, anyway.) Once again, here is the issue: As Far As YOU Know. It has been precedent for YEARS that the NCAA makes exception for religious considerations. It doesn’t often come up in DI, as there aren’t many schools who have campus-dictated religious observation and many conferences where it could are set up as to not have Sunday matches with the schools it effects not making deep enough runs for it to impact scheduling. However, as previously mentioned, it comes up often in other divisions. People being ignorant of NCAA policy isn’t BYUs fault, the other DI coaches certainly know the policy and don’t take issue with it. Complaining about it makes you look petty and ridiculous (and a bit bigoted). And I say that as a staunchly non-religious person. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 16, 2021 2:24:43 GMT -5
Dude, calm down. Nobody says BYU has to play on Sunday. That's up to them. What bothers some people (including me), is that BYU insists other teams have to follow their rules. If BYU really wanted to show how strongly they felt about it, they could just forfeit. On the whole, I would rather see the volleyball. So I would rather the match be played on Saturday than not at all. But it annoys me that BYU gets to specify which day they will play on, while nobody else does. (AFAIK, anyway.) Once again, here is the issue: As Far As YOU Know. It has been precedent for YEARS that the NCAA makes exception for religious considerations. It doesn’t often come up in DI, as there aren’t many schools who have campus-dictated religious observation and many conferences where it could are set up as to not have Sunday matches with the schools it effects not making deep enough runs for it to impact scheduling. However, as previously mentioned, it comes up often in other divisions. People being ignorant of NCAA policy isn’t BYUs fault, the other DI coaches certainly know the policy and don’t take issue with it. Complaining about it makes you look petty and ridiculous (and a bit bigoted). And I say that as a staunchly non-religious person. It used to be that the NCAA only gave an exemption for Sundays. Then they took that exemption away, in the famous "NCAA rescinds the BYU rule" episode of 1998. Then they brought it back, but they expanded it to include days other than Sundays and religions other than Christian. But yeah, in D1, as far as I know it's still only BYU that makes use of the rule. Do you know otherwise? I still say the rule bothers me, because it allows religious schools to dictate something that other schools don't get to dictate. That sits poorly with me. |
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Post by SportyBucky on Apr 16, 2021 7:43:31 GMT -5
Once again, here is the issue: As Far As YOU Know. It has been precedent for YEARS that the NCAA makes exception for religious considerations. It doesn’t often come up in DI, as there aren’t many schools who have campus-dictated religious observation and many conferences where it could are set up as to not have Sunday matches with the schools it effects not making deep enough runs for it to impact scheduling. However, as previously mentioned, it comes up often in other divisions. People being ignorant of NCAA policy isn’t BYUs fault, the other DI coaches certainly know the policy and don’t take issue with it. Complaining about it makes you look petty and ridiculous (and a bit bigoted). And I say that as a staunchly non-religious person. It used to be that the NCAA only gave an exemption for Sundays. Then they took that exemption away, in the famous "NCAA rescinds the BYU rule" episode of 1998. Then they brought it back, but they expanded it to include days other than Sundays and religions other than Christian. But yeah, in D1, as far as I know it's still only BYU that makes use of the rule. Do you know otherwise? I still say the rule bothers me, because it allows religious schools to dictate something that other schools don't get to dictate. That sits poorly with me. THIS |
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Post by beba on Apr 16, 2021 8:17:51 GMT -5
BYU doesn't get to "dictate" to anyone when they will play. They merely notified every one, many years ago, that if a competition is set for a Sunday, they would not participate.
And yes, if the NCAA insisted on the match being on Sunday, BYU would forfeit.
Mature, intelligent people respect other peoples reasoned choices.
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