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Post by Reach on May 21, 2021 23:56:54 GMT -5
True. But I didn't say it was a complete shock, but it will still hurt, either way, no? Yeah, it’s not sad because it’s shocking in any way, but because of the likely ‘finality’ of their careers with the national team. For Karsta at least, we know this is probably the end with team USA. She may show up in AU again, but that’s not the same. We know she’s not going back overseas. We know she’s not going to probably wear a team USA jersey again. I have enjoyed watching Karsta play since her UCLA days and knowing she was not selected for this team, no matter how rightfully so, it makes me a bit sad. I know she isn’t the answer at opposite for team USA. She’s ragged on a lot because her defense sucks and she’s not dedicated enough and she doesn’t try hard enough and she doesn’t care enough. But she’s a damn good volleyball player (or she wouldn’t have ever worn a team USA jersey to begin with, she wouldn’t have played in Italy, she wouldn’t have played in China), she provided many entertaining moments throughout her career, and I’ll miss watching her play. I’ve known that for a while, but not seeing her name on this roster made it sink in. I think that’s the ‘sad’ part. For me anyway. Well said. |
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Post by alohavball on May 21, 2021 23:58:55 GMT -5
Since pretty much all of us are predicting that USA wins VNL who do we think will be MVP of this edition?
2018: MBH
2019: Drews
2021: ?
My guess is either Larson or Robinson.
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Post by werka on May 22, 2021 0:01:19 GMT -5
Not entirely. The next two months will depend on how they are now and how they will grow from that. Both teams may grow but the question will be if will one grow at a faster rate than the other. Assessing them now still matters. Only USA is going to be doing any growing, Serbia would be rebuilding. Ogne+Miha+Rasic have already shown they're world class, and them having had a couple of bad matches in club doesn't take that away. Personally I am doubtful that Miha will be back to her usual form, but USA and Serbia are absolutely not in the same boat. I mean just look at China in the IOQTs vs Germany and vs Turkey literally the day after. Form is something you can find and restore in a very short timeframe, so for that, yes, two months is an eternity and Serbia's form now should not indicate what they will be capable of in Tokyo.
Can USA overtake Serbia? There's a good chance, but I think less than 50%.
How would you define rebuilding? Rebuilding to me means having new personnel after replacing the others, which in this case doesn't apply to Serbia. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the team that has been affected the most by the one year extension is Serbia and it's pretty obvious. USA on the other hand, NEEDED this one year extension to have a chance at medalling, much more at gold. Saying what Serbia's form will be in 2 months is moot since we only know of their condition now. All I'm saying is, they're not looking good. Will they look better? Probably. I think USA overtakes them though. |
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Post by werka on May 22, 2021 0:02:03 GMT -5
Since pretty much all of us are predicting that USA wins VNL who do we think will be MVP of this edition? 2018: MBH 2019: Drews 2021: ? My guess is either Larson or Robinson. Drews or MBH. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 0:09:43 GMT -5
Since pretty much all of us are predicting that USA wins VNL who do we think will be MVP of this edition? 2018: MBH 2019: Drews 2021: ? My guess is either Larson or Robinson. Drews or MBH. Nah, going much bolder here. Poulter. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 0:11:33 GMT -5
True. But I didn't say it was a complete shock, but it will still hurt, either way, no? Yeah, it’s not sad because it’s shocking in any way, but because of the likely ‘finality’ of their careers with the national team. For Karsta at least, we know this is probably the end with team USA. She may show up in AU again, but that’s not the same. We know she’s not going back overseas. We know she’s not going to probably wear a team USA jersey again. I have enjoyed watching Karsta play since her UCLA days and knowing she was not selected for this team, no matter how rightfully so, it makes me a bit sad. I know she isn’t the answer at opposite for team USA. She’s ragged on a lot because her defense sucks and she’s not dedicated enough and she doesn’t try hard enough and she doesn’t care enough. But she’s a damn good volleyball player (or she wouldn’t have ever worn a team USA jersey to begin with, she wouldn’t have played in Italy, she wouldn’t have played in China), she provided many entertaining moments throughout her career, and I’ll miss watching her play. I’ve known that for a while, but not seeing her name on this roster made it sink in. I think that’s the ‘sad’ part. For me anyway. great now I’m crying |
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Post by ironhammer on May 22, 2021 0:21:15 GMT -5
True. But I didn't say it was a complete shock, but it will still hurt, either way, no? Losing also hurts. But it's part of life. These are professionals and I'm sure they'll be fine. Yes, I am not suggesting they will kill themselves over it. Just the way it ended...must be a bit abrupt for them, even if there may have been signs over it. |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on May 22, 2021 0:23:14 GMT -5
Only USA is going to be doing any growing, Serbia would be rebuilding. Ogne+Miha+Rasic have already shown they're world class, and them having had a couple of bad matches in club doesn't take that away. Personally I am doubtful that Miha will be back to her usual form, but USA and Serbia are absolutely not in the same boat. I mean just look at China in the IOQTs vs Germany and vs Turkey literally the day after. Form is something you can find and restore in a very short timeframe, so for that, yes, two months is an eternity and Serbia's form now should not indicate what they will be capable of in Tokyo.
Can USA overtake Serbia? There's a good chance, but I think less than 50%.
How would you define rebuilding? Rebuilding to me means having new personnel after replacing the others, which in this case doesn't apply to Serbia. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the team that has been affected the most by the one year extension is Serbia and it's pretty obvious. USA on the other hand, NEEDED this one year extension to have a chance at medalling, much more at gold. Saying what Serbia's form will be in 2 months is moot since we only know of their condition now. All I'm saying is, they're not looking good. Will they look better? Probably. I think USA overtakes them though. I define rebuilding not as new personnel replacing the others, but more like recovering from injuries, rebuilding the connection between middles and setter, etc.
Basically what I'm saying is, we know what Serbia's ceiling is. I think they'll get pretty close, but not quite there.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on May 22, 2021 0:24:13 GMT -5
Nah, going much bolder here. Poulter. the days of MVP NOT being an OH/OPP ended with the emergence of KYK, Zhu, Boskovic, Egonu, etc. |
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Post by ironhammer on May 22, 2021 0:25:45 GMT -5
True. But I didn't say it was a complete shock, but it will still hurt, either way, no? Yeah, it’s not sad because it’s shocking in any way, but because of the likely ‘finality’ of their careers with the national team. For Karsta at least, we know this is probably the end with team USA. She may show up in AU again, but that’s not the same. We know she’s not going back overseas. We know she’s not going to probably wear a team USA jersey again. I have enjoyed watching Karsta play since her UCLA days and knowing she was not selected for this team, no matter how rightfully so, it makes me a bit sad. I know she isn’t the answer at opposite for team USA. She’s ragged on a lot because her defense sucks and she’s not dedicated enough and she doesn’t try hard enough and she doesn’t care enough. But she’s a damn good volleyball player (or she wouldn’t have ever worn a team USA jersey to begin with, she wouldn’t have played in Italy, she wouldn’t have played in China), she provided many entertaining moments throughout her career, and I’ll miss watching her play. I’ve known that for a while, but not seeing her name on this roster made it sink in. I think that’s the ‘sad’ part. For me anyway. Of course, if Karch blows it with the roster choice and US doesn't make it into the Tokyo final, we'll all blame him for not including Lowe. I can almost predict that. |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on May 22, 2021 0:27:36 GMT -5
Yeah, it’s not sad because it’s shocking in any way, but because of the likely ‘finality’ of their careers with the national team. For Karsta at least, we know this is probably the end with team USA. She may show up in AU again, but that’s not the same. We know she’s not going back overseas. We know she’s not going to probably wear a team USA jersey again. I have enjoyed watching Karsta play since her UCLA days and knowing she was not selected for this team, no matter how rightfully so, it makes me a bit sad. I know she isn’t the answer at opposite for team USA. She’s ragged on a lot because her defense sucks and she’s not dedicated enough and she doesn’t try hard enough and she doesn’t care enough. But she’s a damn good volleyball player (or she wouldn’t have ever worn a team USA jersey to begin with, she wouldn’t have played in Italy, she wouldn’t have played in China), she provided many entertaining moments throughout her career, and I’ll miss watching her play. I’ve known that for a while, but not seeing her name on this roster made it sink in. I think that’s the ‘sad’ part. For me anyway. Of course, if Karch blows it with the roster choice and US doesn't make it into the Tokyo final, we'll all blame him for not including Lowe. I can almost predict that. My keyboard is ready. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 0:34:25 GMT -5
Nah, going much bolder here. Poulter. the days of MVP NOT being an OH/OPP ended with the emergence of KYK, Zhu, Boskovic, Egonu, etc. That’s why I said bold.  What’s the fun in picking Egonu? I’m sure I’ll be wrong but if not, I can pull a bigfan *I called it* you see? |
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Post by beachindoor on May 22, 2021 0:45:41 GMT -5
i feel bad and then I don't. Some of the girls cut were a long shot and others simply didn't put in the work. Adams and Lowe didn't play pro. Well Adams did but she came home super early and Lowe didn't go over seas. They weren't at the level they previously were and others have passed them by. It can't be a complete shock, can it? True. But I didn't say it was a complete shock, but it will still hurt, either way, no? I totally agree. It's tough and part of sports not making the cut. That said, I still feel for those who didn't make it even if they knew they weren't at the level needed to be put on the roster. |
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Post by beachindoor on May 22, 2021 0:47:43 GMT -5
Yeah, it’s not sad because it’s shocking in any way, but because of the likely ‘finality’ of their careers with the national team. For Karsta at least, we know this is probably the end with team USA. She may show up in AU again, but that’s not the same. We know she’s not going back overseas. We know she’s not going to probably wear a team USA jersey again. I have enjoyed watching Karsta play since her UCLA days and knowing she was not selected for this team, no matter how rightfully so, it makes me a bit sad. I know she isn’t the answer at opposite for team USA. She’s ragged on a lot because her defense sucks and she’s not dedicated enough and she doesn’t try hard enough and she doesn’t care enough. But she’s a damn good volleyball player (or she wouldn’t have ever worn a team USA jersey to begin with, she wouldn’t have played in Italy, she wouldn’t have played in China), she provided many entertaining moments throughout her career, and I’ll miss watching her play. I’ve known that for a while, but not seeing her name on this roster made it sink in. I think that’s the ‘sad’ part. For me anyway. great now I’m crying I'm glad others were thinking similar thoughts and that I posted my original post |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 2:55:25 GMT -5
Karch is making the right the roster choices...or wrong ones. You tell me. 
I'll tell you in 5 weeks.
FWIW, I think the players who were chosen for VNL and will not make the Tokyo roster will take it MUCH harder than the players who were left off the VNL roster. Because even more players will be competing for those spots in 3 years. Just my 2 cents.
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