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Post by nellynel on Nov 28, 2021 13:37:04 GMT -5
Watch her when she has to reach back on the slide. It looks more limited. That’s what I notice the most.
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Post by tedheise on Nov 28, 2021 13:37:09 GMT -5
well I’ve never seen an athlete return and say “I’m not as good because the back injury put me back.” But truth of the matter is, she hasn’t been the same. You don’t take that much time off of volleyball and just jump right back in and play like a first team AA. I don’t hold it against her-I’m actually thoroughly impressed at her ability to still do what she does after dropping 20+ pounds of muscle and just stamina and reps in general. But she has regressed and can’t be as lethal, and that’s okay. We just need supporting hitters around her to step up. ****correction, she definitely can be as lethal. She just needs more time. Unfortunately we don’t have time. How do explain the huge matches offensively she had after returning? I’m with you on how hard it is to get back to form, I’m not sold that the central issue is physical. I;m not sure anyone was saying it was the main thing, more that it was a likely factor.
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Post by azsker on Nov 28, 2021 13:42:50 GMT -5
well I’ve never seen an athlete return and say “I’m not as good because the back injury put me back.” But truth of the matter is, she hasn’t been the same. You don’t take that much time off of volleyball and just jump right back in and play like a first team AA. I don’t hold it against her-I’m actually thoroughly impressed at her ability to still do what she does after dropping 20+ pounds of muscle and just stamina and reps in general. But she has regressed and can’t be as lethal, and that’s okay. We just need supporting hitters around her to step up. ****correction, she definitely can be as lethal. She just needs more time. Unfortunately we don’t have time. How do explain the huge matches offensively she had after returning? I’m with you on how hard it is to get back to form, I’m not sold that the central issue is physical. well she lost a good amount of muscle and doesn’t jump as high. I’m not going to try and sell you on anything. If you’re an athlete or have ever been an athlete you’d understand. You don’t just leave the sport, have surgery, rehab to come back, and show up and dominate. Especially at a D1 level in the B1G.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Nov 28, 2021 13:45:53 GMT -5
Watch her when she has to reach back on the slide. It looks more limited. That’s what I notice the most. That’s a nuance for sure, but reaching back is a function of her not being in the proper relationship to bet, or ball not being where it should be. That’s a connection issue more so than a physical limitation to me. What I can’t reconcile is that big it’s physical why has she had dynamic matches offensively or blocking? Her size and strength certainly hasn’t fluctuated post return.
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Post by nellynel on Nov 28, 2021 13:51:09 GMT -5
Watch her when she has to reach back on the slide. It looks more limited. That’s what I notice the most. That’s a nuance for sure, but reaching back is a function of her not being in the proper relationship to bet, or ball not being where it should be. That’s a connection issue more so than a physical limitation to me. What I can’t reconcile is that big it’s physical why has she had dynamic matches offensively or blocking? Her size and strength certainly hasn’t fluctuated post return. True but she had Gumby like flexibility that allowed her to crush a less than perfect set on the slide. Now when it’s not perfect it doesn’t have the same velocity or she’s forced to go more off speed than I remember seeing.
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Post by kidsker7 on Nov 28, 2021 13:57:44 GMT -5
She says that and people were saying things like “she’s in the best shape” and such but from the moment she came back you could tell that she was physically much weaker. I think when she says she feels great physically she is alluding more to being happy about not having all that discomfort and pain. But she is nowhere near as strong and dynamic and she used to be. When she came back she went off. Yes her body looks different given the nature of how different her workouts were. How do you explain how physical she’s been the last few matches blocking? She is still quick and jumping off of 2 feet seems similar, but she is not jumping off of 1 foot the same. She said it herself in one of the interviews, but to me it is obvious when watching the matches. Going off against Michigan is not the same as going off against really good blocking teams that have time to prepare. Not going to argue with you about this. When was the last time that you thought "Wow, how did she get to that really high ball". I thought that many times pre-op.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Nov 28, 2021 13:59:10 GMT -5
That’s a nuance for sure, but reaching back is a function of her not being in the proper relationship to bet, or ball not being where it should be. That’s a connection issue more so than a physical limitation to me. What I can’t reconcile is that big it’s physical why has she had dynamic matches offensively or blocking? Her size and strength certainly hasn’t fluctuated post return. True but she had Gumby like flexibility that allowed her to crush a less than perfect set on the slide. Now when it’s not perfect it doesn’t have the same velocity or she’s forced to go more off speed than I remember seeing. Fair enough. Look I’m not sure to what extent she is limited, I just think there are several reasons and not simply she physically doesn’t have it. She’s had dominant matches that would be evidence that she has the physical tools to be dominant.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Nov 28, 2021 14:06:13 GMT -5
When she came back she went off. Yes her body looks different given the nature of how different her workouts were. How do you explain how physical she’s been the last few matches blocking? She is still quick and jumping off of 2 feet seems similar, but she is not jumping off of 1 foot the same. She said it herself in one of the interviews, but to me it is obvious when watching the matches. Going off against Michigan is not the same as going off against really good blocking teams that have time to prepare. Not going to argue with you about this. When was the last time that you thought "Wow, how did she get to that really high ball". I thought that many times pre-op. Hit .467 vs PSU, had 15 kills and hit .393 vs Purdue which negates the argument she can only be dominant vs lesser opponents. We can agree to disagree, I respect your opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 15:20:16 GMT -5
She says that and people were saying things like “she’s in the best shape” and such but from the moment she came back you could tell that she was physically much weaker. I think when she says she feels great physically she is alluding more to being happy about not having all that discomfort and pain. But she is nowhere near as strong and dynamic and she used to be. When she came back she went off. Yes her body looks different given the nature of how different her workouts were. How do you explain how physical she’s been the last few matches blocking? I think it’s more so experience and an easier motion than the slide demands. Hitting is such a physical skill that takes such a toll on even a healthy body. To me she just doesn’t look the same. But what a testament this is to how great of an athlete and volleyball player she is that she is still able to contribute so much.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 15:28:59 GMT -5
She says that and people were saying things like “she’s in the best shape” and such but from the moment she came back you could tell that she was physically much weaker. I think when she says she feels great physically she is alluding more to being happy about not having all that discomfort and pain. But she is nowhere near as strong and dynamic and she used to be. I wrestled and lost a lot of weight year after year and when I heard that Lauren lost 20 pounds, I was trying to picture where the old Lo had 20 pounds to lose. It must have been a hard rehab, and she must not have had much of an appetite or the atrophy turned muscle to fat and she lost that in working out. Same here. I’ve had multiple knee injuries and even after my first one, I never quite was the same type of player since. I give her so much credit for returning and playing as well after an injury which not much time in between.
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Post by Resident Bitchy Canadian Fan on Nov 28, 2021 17:03:28 GMT -5
This team has shown glimpses of great offensive play while playing their usual tough defense in set one of the Wisconsin match and set two of the Purdue match. In each of those sets, they’d only made two attack errors each. In the other sets though, of both matches, they averaged somewhere between 7 and 8 attacking errors.
This team has shown how dominant they can be. And while it’s too late to probably change their tendencies for complete matches, they’ve certainly shown that they can play at a very high level, just not for whole matches. If they can replicate these performances and pressure their opponents with serve and defense, they might be able to exceed expectations
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Post by lvcalum on Nov 28, 2021 17:07:06 GMT -5
When she came back she went off. Yes her body looks different given the nature of how different her workouts were. How do you explain how physical she’s been the last few matches blocking? I think it’s more so experience and an easier motion than the slide demands. Hitting is such a physical skill that takes such a toll on even a healthy body. To me she just doesn’t look the same. But what a testament this is to how great of an athlete and volleyball player she is that she is still able to contribute so much. Very interesting discussion. I think a key point to remember is the standard that we are holding Lauren to. Until she got injured, I would argue that Lauren was the very best slide hitter ever at Nebraska (I missed a few years in the 90’s, but I’ve been watching Nebraska middles since Karen Dahlgren). And she was doing it in the B1G. She was stunningly great. Now this year, she hasn’t come close to equaling that very lofty standard. Is it physical, mental, Nicklin, or all the above? I argue that it’s all the above. To Lauren’s credit she is actually much better in front of the setter this year and has significantly improved her blocking. She may be a better all around middle now.
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Post by huskervolleyball on Nov 28, 2021 21:18:37 GMT -5
Well um the draw was very interesting... Good luck to the team. I hope they can find their best volleyball throughout the tourney. Hoping the seniors go out in a bang, especially Lo.
GBR
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Post by big10+4 fan on Nov 28, 2021 21:29:56 GMT -5
Don't like that regional (the whole regional in general doesn't make a ton of sense), but we put ourselves in that position this year.
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Post by donaldjamesparker on Nov 28, 2021 21:59:31 GMT -5
OK folks, we need to become Washington Huskie fans. We are 6-2 against them. We are 2-0 against Kentucky, so that draw doesn't scare me, but we are 3-11 against Texas in our last 14 matches against them. I love nothing better than beating them, but I don't think we can so if the Huskies could do that for us, we'll pay them back by saving them from having to make a trip to the final 4.
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