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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 9:47:36 GMT -5
Wtf does cook mean the big ten didn’t get much respect lmao. Purdue at 6, Wisconsin and OSU have literal free paths to the sweet 16….. I’m sure he meant how they were thrown in the draw. By seed you’re correct in they got plenty of respect. literally what about this bracket besides the Austin regional is disrespectful to the big ten?
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Post by VolleyTX on Nov 29, 2021 9:48:15 GMT -5
I really enjoyed watching the Nebraska match against Wisconsin. For a relatively young team, Nebraska is doing quite well. They would be doing even better if Lexi Sun were playing to her abilities/potential. The pin hitting is what likely to be their downfall in the tournament, but they should still get pretty damn far.
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Post by eov4nu on Nov 29, 2021 9:59:36 GMT -5
I really enjoyed watching the Nebraska match against Wisconsin. For a relatively young team, Nebraska is doing quite well. They would be doing even better if Lexi Sun were playing to her abilities/potential. The pin hitting is what likely to be their downfall in the tournament, but they should still get pretty damn far. Lexi Sun is not going to play to her abilities against a strong team when it matters. She has yet to do it and I don't see why it would happen now. She seems like a great human being, the team loves her but she is just one of those top recruits that never quite lived up to expectations.
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Post by vergyltantor on Nov 29, 2021 10:29:51 GMT -5
Wtf does cook mean the big ten didn’t get much respect lmao. Purdue at 6, Wisconsin and OSU have literal free paths to the sweet 16….. He might have been referring to the ACC and B12 who had as many or more teams seeded 1-4 and 1-8. Any ACC or B12 team that was ranked anywhere in the top 25 got a 1-8 seed.
Meanwhile the B1G runner-up (Nebraska) was seeded 10.
That said, I would guess the four seeded teams in the Austin regional feel like they are in the toughest bracket but are ready to go after it anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 10:32:16 GMT -5
Wtf does cook mean the big ten didn’t get much respect lmao. Purdue at 6, Wisconsin and OSU have literal free paths to the sweet 16….. He might have been referring to the ACC and B12 who had as many or more teams seeded 1-4 and 1-8. Any ACC or B12 team that was ranked anywhere in the top 25 they got a 1-8 seed.
Meanwhile the B1G runner-up (Nebraska) was seeded 10.
That said, I would guess the four seeded teams in the Austin regional feel like they are in the toughest bracket but are ready to go after it anyway.
the avca poll doesn’t matter. The ACC deserved to have those 3 top 8 seeds when you look at the rpi and their wins. Nebraska got pulled up from their RPI to be seeded 10 and Purdue got pulled up a whole 4 places…. The big ten seeding was just fine if not generous
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Post by eov4nu on Nov 29, 2021 10:38:06 GMT -5
He might have been referring to the ACC and B12 who had as many or more teams seeded 1-4 and 1-8. Any ACC or B12 team that was ranked anywhere in the top 25 they got a 1-8 seed.
Meanwhile the B1G runner-up (Nebraska) was seeded 10.
That said, I would guess the four seeded teams in the Austin regional feel like they are in the toughest bracket but are ready to go after it anyway.
the avca poll doesn’t matter. The ACC deserved to have those 3 top 8 seeds when you look at the rpi and their wins. Nebraska got pulled up from their RPI to be seeded 10 and Purdue got pulled up a whole 4 places…. The big ten seeding was just fine if not generous Nebraska's RPI would've looked quite different with wins over Stanford and Utah.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 10:38:44 GMT -5
the avca poll doesn’t matter. The ACC deserved to have those 3 top 8 seeds when you look at the rpi and their wins. Nebraska got pulled up from their RPI to be seeded 10 and Purdue got pulled up a whole 4 places…. The big ten seeding was just fine if not generous Nebraska's RPI would've looked quite different with wins over Stanford and Utah. well too bad they lost those matches then?
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Post by eov4nu on Nov 29, 2021 10:40:33 GMT -5
Nebraska's RPI would've looked quite different with wins over Stanford and Utah. well too bad they lost those matches then? Duh. The Huskers got what they got based on their preseason results in my opinion. It is what it is.
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Post by vergyltantor on Nov 29, 2021 10:47:27 GMT -5
He might have been referring to the ACC and B12 who had as many or more teams seeded 1-4 and 1-8. Any ACC or B12 team that was ranked anywhere in the top 25 they got a 1-8 seed.
Meanwhile the B1G runner-up (Nebraska) was seeded 10.
That said, I would guess the four seeded teams in the Austin regional feel like they are in the toughest bracket but are ready to go after it anyway.
the avca poll doesn’t matter. The ACC deserved to have those 3 top 8 seeds when you look at the rpi and their wins. Nebraska got pulled up from their RPI to be seeded 10 and Purdue got pulled up a whole 4 places…. The big ten seeding was just fine if not generous The RPI is a joke. It is too easily gamed by playing a scheduling game and should be relegated to a secondary parameter in seeding the tournament. It puts too much emphasis on early season matches and uses them set conference strength. Also 25% of the RPI is win-loss, and it is helped by playing a bunch of conference patsies. Simple mathematical formulas like the RPI just don't work for something as complicated as judging team strength.
I guess we will find out soon enough.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Nov 29, 2021 10:54:34 GMT -5
I feel like this statement from John cook is a little contradictory when you consider he spent most of the season dogging his team’s inconsistency and sub-par (for them) play, and they still ended up second in the league.
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Post by rjaege on Nov 29, 2021 11:04:45 GMT -5
the avca poll doesn’t matter. The ACC deserved to have those 3 top 8 seeds when you look at the rpi and their wins. Nebraska got pulled up from their RPI to be seeded 10 and Purdue got pulled up a whole 4 places…. The big ten seeding was just fine if not generous The RPI is a joke. It is too easily gamed by playing a scheduling game and should be relegated to a secondary parameter in seeding the tournament. It puts too much emphasis on early season matches and uses them set conference strength. Also 25% of the RPI is win-loss, and it is helped by playing a bunch of conference patsies. Simple mathematical formulas like the RPI just don't work for something as complicated as judging team strength.
I guess we will find out soon enough. I believe that was Cook's point (we'll find out soon enough). He said it will be interesting to see how the BIG teams do. I interpreted that to mean he feels they will outperform their seeds. Time will tell. Lots of 5th year seniors playing in this tournament, and not just BIG teams. Also he may have felt NE's 2nd place finish in the BIG was not given adequate weight. While their early season losses to Stanford and Utah were over-weighted. NE is a young team. This is a legitimate point IMO. Would not discount that he is also using this as a motivational factor. Challenging his players to demonstrate they are better than their 10th seed. That might just work.
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Post by donaldjamesparker on Nov 29, 2021 12:47:22 GMT -5
Why is everyone talking about Kansas State when Florida State seems to be a better and more dangerous team? I know that loss to KSU hurt a lot but that was 11 years ago. We have a record of 82 wins and 4 losses against the Wildcats. When KSU won that match Nebraska was on a 14 match win streak against them. I know they put up a good fight in the match earlier this year, but I have changed my mind and decided I'm rooting for the Wildcats against FSU.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 13:00:39 GMT -5
the avca poll doesn’t matter. The ACC deserved to have those 3 top 8 seeds when you look at the rpi and their wins. Nebraska got pulled up from their RPI to be seeded 10 and Purdue got pulled up a whole 4 places…. The big ten seeding was just fine if not generous The RPI is a joke. It is too easily gamed by playing a scheduling game and should be relegated to a secondary parameter in seeding the tournament. It puts too much emphasis on early season matches and uses them set conference strength. Also 25% of the RPI is win-loss, and it is helped by playing a bunch of conference patsies. Simple mathematical formulas like the RPI just don't work for something as complicated as judging team strength.
I guess we will find out soon enough. Great post! I especially like the point about “set conference strength.” What’s very happened to just plain ole beating the best? The RPI does make for an entertaining selection show and tournament though. I wonder if it was also created for this very purpose? You never know these days with entities like the NCAA.
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Post by rjaege on Nov 29, 2021 13:01:52 GMT -5
Why is everyone talking about Kansas State when Florida State seems to be a better and more dangerous team? I know that loss to KSU hurt a lot but that was 11 years ago. We have a record of 82 wins and 4 losses against the Wildcats. When KSU won that match Nebraska was on a 14 match win streak against them. I know they put up a good fight in the match earlier this year, but I have changed my mind and decided I'm rooting for the Wildcats against FSU. Because in the BIG 12 KSU vs NE was a big interstate rivalry. Some NE fans belittled KSU, especially in football. Thus KSU relished defeating NE. Whether that rivalry still exists, not sure, but likely it is diminished. At least that is my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 13:08:53 GMT -5
the avca poll doesn’t matter. The ACC deserved to have those 3 top 8 seeds when you look at the rpi and their wins. Nebraska got pulled up from their RPI to be seeded 10 and Purdue got pulled up a whole 4 places…. The big ten seeding was just fine if not generous The RPI is a joke. It is too easily gamed by playing a scheduling game and should be relegated to a secondary parameter in seeding the tournament. It puts too much emphasis on early season matches and uses them set conference strength. Also 25% of the RPI is win-loss, and it is helped by playing a bunch of conference patsies. Simple mathematical formulas like the RPI just don't work for something as complicated as judging team strength.
I guess we will find out soon enough. Over reliance on the RPI is how you end up with 7 representatives from the Big 12. Past Texas and Baylor, this conference wouldn't stack up favorably with the American Athletic Conference. It wouldn't be surprising all 5 'other' teams from the Big 12 were eliminated in the first round. The RPI is how you end up with the 2nd place Big 12 team seeded higher than the SEC champion. And if the ACC ends up with 3 teams in the regional finals and 2 teams in the final four, I'll reconsider my take on the RPI. Just a footnote, the ACC has had a grand total of ONE team make the final four in tournament history which happens to be the same number as UT @ Arlington (Go fightin' Mavericks). Men's basketball tweaked and tweaked the RPI, then finally gave it up and added other metrics for the evaluation process. Women's volleyball needs to do the same. And ESPN needs to up THEIR game when it comes women's volleyball. The production of the selection show was a joke and a bad one at that. Womens volleyball is the 3rd highest veiwed sport on the B1G Network only behind mens football and basketball. The accountants at ESPN need to send the memo to their bosses.
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